They cannot have it both ways. They cannot say they are opposed to universality and they are not going to put
anybody outside. That is all universality means: that we are going to cover everybody, we are going to give everybody access to the services.
The leader of the Reform Party made a speech on medicare not too long ago. I would like to talk a bit about it. Perhaps the members can get ready to jump up and down, as they do.
There was a suggestion that we might want to ask the member for Beaver River to try to define where facelifts are free.
The leader of the Reform Party, in his speech not so long ago, said that the real long run threat to medicare is the financial threat caused by deficits, debts, and skyrocketing interest payments. Skyrocketing interest payments on the national debt eat up the federal government's ability to finance any and all social programs, including medicare.