Mr. Speaker, let us be very clear. What the Reform Party members are saying is that they will take $3.5 billion out of the Canadian health and social transfer and then they ask Canadians to trust them to put it back four years later. Four years, after how many hospitals would have been closed? Four years, after how many low income Canadians would have suffered? That is what the Reform Party has offered.
If we want to know what they really think, we could take a look at their first budget. Their first budget was a massive attack on health care. Their first budget said that we should have two-tier health care. Their first budget said that the principles of the Canada Health Act did not apply. Their first budget really gave what they really believe and that is an idealism that is not Canadian.