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Let us talk about the Minister of Finance. He is the one who is prudent and tight with the dollars. He says he is wrestling the deficit down. There was increase in the Department of Finance of 19.1 per cent from $49 billion to $59 billion, largely because the debt is going up and up. It will be $100 billion more during the life of this government using an 8 per cent rate. That is another $8 billion each and every year out of the pockets of the taxpayers.
The largest transfer program in the history of Canada is the transfer from the poor taxpayers, the downtrodden, hardworking Canadian taxpayer and it is going to the moneylenders, the bankers, the investors, the overseas people who are buying our bonds. The largest transfer program in the history of Canada is the $50 billion to the rich financiers around the world.
Is that fiscal management? Is that prudent management? Is that sound management? Is that what the Liberals tell the people at election time? No, they say jobs, jobs, jobs and the unemployment rate is stuck at 10 per cent. The next time around it will be jobs, jobs, jobs and the unemployment rate will be stuck at 10 per cent. Not a single word will be said about the fact that the interest costs on the debt has gone up 10, 20, 30 and 40 per cent. It is now $50 billion and by the turn of the century that will be $60 billion.
We heard the member for St. Boniface talk about how the coast guard and the department of fisheries were working closely to reduce costs. At fisheries and oceans the increase is 15.7 per cent from $775 million to $896 million.
At Indian affairs, that wonderful department that creates all these jobs, has an increase of 6.2 per cent from $4.9 billion to $5.2 billion. The Federal Court of Canada has an increase of 60 per cent from $19 million to $31 million. It is all here.
Is that fiscal management? No. Is there prudent management? No. Help themselves to the taxpayers money? Absolutely yes. Absolutely yes because every nickel has come down on the deficit as being from increased tax revenues. There has been no reduction in unemployment to speak of. They have helped themselves to the money from the working people by refusing to reduce the unemployment insurance premiums. Now the government has a $6 billion slush fund that the Minister of Finance is using to say: "I have met my deficit target".
High unemployment insurance premiums kill jobs. We know the Minister of Finance is sitting on top of a slush fund so he can say he has met his target. He is putting people out of work because UI premiums are too high. Let that message be put out. Let the message go out to Canadians that this is irresponsible management. The government refuses to allow the a legitimate expression of all members as to what they think of these estimates. That has to change in this House and the way they are appointed and elected down the hall. That House has to change too.
There is no end to the improvements that the Reform Party could and will make.