House of Commons Hansard #34 of the 36th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was wheat.

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Request For Emergency DebateRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Reform

Jim Gouk Reform West Kootenay—Okanagan, BC

Mr. Speaker, I seek leave to present a motion under Standing Order 52(1) and 52(2) for the adjournment of the House for the purpose of discussing a specific and important matter that requires the urgent consideration of all hon. members, the current postal situation.

It is appropriate that we examine all the issues that affect every one of the 31 million Canadians in this country. I am not asking that we specifically debate something like back to work legislation but rather that we should examine the impact and ramifications of this current action, that we examine all the different possibilities in terms of what might be appropriate actions to take to reduce the harmful impact of this and collectively arrive at some decisions as to how we may best serve the interests of all Canadians.

Request For Emergency DebateRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

The Speaker

I thank the hon. member for sending me the letter. The letter in itself is quite complete. We have a general idea of what the hon. member wants in this emergency debate.

At this time it would seem to me that it does not fulfil the requirements for an emergency debate. Perhaps at a later time that would be the case.

On a point of order, the hon. member for Calgary Southeast.

Points Of OrderRoutine Proceedings

10:15 a.m.

Reform

Jason Kenney Reform Calgary Southeast, AB

Mr. Speaker, moments ago I received unanimous consent to introduce a motion. The Chair then sought unanimous consent to pass the motion. I refer the Speaker to section 552(1) of Beauchesne's:

Every matter is determined in the House of Commons upon a question put by the Speaker, on a proposition submitted by a Member, and resolved either in the affirmative or negative as the case may be. This proposition, called a motion, is a proposal moved by one Member, in accordance with certain well established rules, that the House do something, or order something to be done or express an opinion with regard to some matter.

I therefore put it to you, Mr. Speaker, that a voice vote should have been held on this motion rather than unanimous consent, which was already given in the introduction of the motion and which is not necessary to approve it.

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10:20 a.m.

The Speaker

Let me go through the whole thing. My understanding is that this is what happened.

The hon. member asked “I would like to seek the unanimous consent to move this motion”. At that point I asked the House “does the hon. member have unanimous consent to put the motion?” At that point I heard no one dissenting. Therefore the hon. member had the right to put the motion.

When the hon. member put the motion I again sought unanimous consent. There was not unanimous consent at that time. If anyone dissents then that dies right there.

The hon. member does bring up an interesting point that this is a motion. At that point, after I had asked whether there was unanimous consent and there was a “no”, my clerk informs me, and I agree with the rules, I should have put this to a voice vote.

Because I did not do that, it is my fault. I, as the Speaker, made this error. What I am going to do now, with the permission of the House, is do it again. I invite hon. members to take it from there. I will deal with this the way it should have been dealt with.

The hon. member has sought unanimous consent to put the motion. Is that correct?

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Some hon. members

No.

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Reform

Ken Epp Reform Elk Island, AB

Mr. Speaker, I believe you have gone back too far, if I may suggest that, because unanimous consent to put the motion was already given by the House. The part which you have to go back to is the moving of the motion itself. That is where we were at. That was where the error occurred.

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10:20 a.m.

The Speaker

I did have unanimous consent to put the motion. I am proceeding from that point.

Now I am going to ask the House is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Some hon. members

No.

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10:25 a.m.

The Speaker

All those in favour of the motion will please say yea.

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Some hon. members

Yea.

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The Speaker

All those opposed will please say nay.

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Some hon. members

Nay.

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10:25 a.m.

The Speaker

In my opinion the yeas have it.

And more than five members having risen:

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10:25 a.m.

The Speaker

Call in the members.

(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the following division:)

Division No. 26Routine Proceedings

10:35 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

I declare the motion carried.

Division No. 26Routine Proceedings

10:35 a.m.

Reform

Jay Hill Reform Prince George—Peace River, BC

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I wonder about the process here. We were forced into a situation where we had to hold a standing vote, yet it carried unanimously.

I wonder what precedent has been set today because of the Bloc.

Division No. 26Routine Proceedings

10:35 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

With respect, the Chair does not believe that is a point of order.

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10:35 a.m.

NDP

Bill Blaikie NDP Winnipeg—Transcona, MB

Mr. Speaker, I rise on the same point of order or similar point of order. Obviously there is nothing uncommon about having a unanimous standing vote. It has happened a number of times.

My point is that, as happy as I and my colleagues are to support the motion of congratulations to the Queen and Prince Phillip on the occasion of their 50th wedding anniversary, the House to some degree was asked to believe there had been some prior agreement that this would happen at this time.

That simply was not so. There had been some mention that something like this might happen, but there certainly had been no agreement.

Had agreement been sought it would have been given by the NDP, but to suggest that somehow there had been some kind of agreement and that therefore anybody is in breach of some agreement is simply not the case. I think it reflects an unfortunate willingness to play politics with something that we should not play politics with.

Division No. 26Routine Proceedings

10:40 a.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

The hon. member's intervention has been noted. The House needs to deal with that which takes place in the House when it takes place. The matter has been dealt with, in the opinion of the Chair.

We will now proceed to orders of the day.

The House resumed from November 19 consideration of Bill C-4, an act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act and to make consequential amendments to other acts, as reported (with amendment) from the committee; and of Motion No. 1.

Canadian Wheat Board ActGovernment Orders

November 20th, 1997 / 10:40 a.m.

Reform

Dave Chatters Reform Athabasca, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise today to speak in support of Motion No. 1 moved by my colleague from Yorkton—Melville. I originally had not intended to intervene in the debate at this point, but after listening yesterday to the debate in the House and to some of the comments on the government side I was motivated to take part in the debate.

I can speak to the issue before us, the Canadian Wheat Board bill, with some authority, being the third generation in my family to be involved in the farming profession. My family held a wheat board permit probably since the creation of the Canadian Wheat Board and certainly since the creation of the monopoly of the Canadian Wheat Board.

That is an important consideration to note as we take part in the debate because of some of the interventions made by the other side, in particular by the member for Hamilton—Wentworth yesterday, on the credibility and the willingness of members on both sides to speak.

I would like it understood that my constituents and I support the concept of single desk selling for prairie grain farmers. Producers in my constituency feel strongly about that and would wish to support it.

Producers in my constituency are simply asking for fairness and equality with grain producers in others parts of Canada. They are asking for transparency and accountability on the part of the board and an end to the secrecy and the closed situation we have now.

Both the interests of my producers in preserving a single desk selling agency and their desire for transparency and accountability could be achieved if the government had chosen to go that route. We could preserve the Canadian Wheat Board and provide farmers with choices.

If the Canadian Wheat Board were acting in the best interests of producers, producers would use the Canadian Wheat Board. The problem is that we are setting up a situation that will inevitably destroy the Canadian Wheat Board. Farmers will continue to fight for choices and options. Eventually it will mean the destruction of the wheat board and the loss of the concept of the single desk selling agency. That would be a real change.

We heard a lot of discussion in the debate yesterday about who the Canadian Wheat Board currently works for and who it will work for under this bill if it goes forward. It is pretty obvious to all of us grain producers that the Canadian Wheat Board as far back as World War II was not working in the best interest of farmers and some of my colleagues raised that point.

In our contribution to the war effort in western Canada, we probably contributed more through the loss of revenue on grain sales than what the national energy program drew out of western Canada. There was a tremendous loss in revenue to the western Canadian producer. Yet there does not seem to have been any recognition of that and certainly no recognition here.

There are all kinds of other instances where the Canadian Wheat Board has been used as a foreign policy tool and even a domestic internal policy tool, much to the detriment of the Canadian producer.

I would also like to respond to the comments made by the hon. member for Hamilton—Wentworth yesterday who took great grievance because of his impression that somebody over here said that he had no right to speak on this issue. As a member of this House, he certainly had every right to speak on this issue, but the question has to be about the credibility of those who are speaking on the issue.

The parliamentary secretary to the agriculture minister is a potato farmer from Prince Edward Island who judiciously guards his right to make choices in the marketing—

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10:45 a.m.

Malpeque P.E.I.

Liberal

Wayne Easter LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Minister of Fisheries and Oceans

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

The member for Athabasca seems to be referring to me. I am Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans and I am a beef and grain producer from Prince Edward Island.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

The Chair and the House stands corrected.

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Reform

Dave Chatters Reform Athabasca, AB

My apologies for that error, Mr. Speaker.

However, I feel quite confident that the member protects his right vigorously to make choices in the way he markets his products. Therefore, I think he lacks some credibility when he tries to impose on western farmers something that he does not wish to have imposed upon himself.