Mr. Speaker, I would like to try once more to see if we can get clarification about where the Reform Party really stands on health care. In the last few days during this debate some members of Reform actually suggested that they truly do believe in a universally accessible, publicly administered health system. However, we know from the past that their health critic has said that core services of health care could be provided outside of medicare. We know from the member for Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca that the party stands for a parallel, private, two tier health care system. We know from the member for North Vancouver that he praises the system in Florida and condemns what he would call socialist medicine in Canada.
At the recent United Alternative conference Reformers had a chance to clarify. A motion was put and there was a debate. There was a chance to add an amendment calling upon delegates to uphold national standards for a health care system. The delegates, which I assume included Reformers who were all present, roundly defeated this amendment, especially after one participant defended the right of the provinces to introduce user fees. Where did the member who is speaking stand on this issue? What is truly the position of the Reform Party on health care?