Debates of Feb. 22nd, 2000

Division No. 692

[Some hon. members]

Nay.

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

In my opinion the yeas have it.

And more than five members having risen:

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

The recorded division on the motion stands deferred.

The next question is on Motion No. 105. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

[John Solomon, NDP, Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK]

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. To clarify the process, I have an amendment which I wanted to put with respect to Motion No. 113, which would be a consequential amendment to that motion. I have discussed this with the other parties, at least to introduce the amendment. I am wondering when I should do this. Should I do it now or at another time that would be in order?

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

This is a good time. It is either now or not at all. However, because we are voting, and I know the hon. member has discussed this with the other parties, we will do this in two stages. We have not taken the vote on Motion No. 105. First, we are going to ask for the unanimous consent of the House to allow the member to present his amendment.

The hon. member for Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre has asked for the unanimous consent of the House to move an amendment. Is there consent?

[Some hon. members]

Agreed.

[John Solomon, NDP, Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK]

I thank members of all political parties who have given to me their unanimous consent to amend Motion No. 113 in my name, which would in effect correct an oversight pertaining to the disclosure of political contributions. I move:

That Bill C-2, in Clause 359, be amended by adding after line 17, page 149 the following:

“(b.1) in the case of a numbered company that is a contributor referred to in paragraph (b), the name of the chief executive officer or president of that company”

Basically what it does is apply Motions Nos. 113, 114, 116, 118 and others to the criteria respecting third party political contributions and disclosure thereof.

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

The House has given unanimous consent for the member for Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre to propose the amendment to his motion. The amendment will go to the table and the Speaker will report to the House as to whether it is in order.

Although it has been proposed and it is on the table, and the votes will proceed, it is not necessarily the case that the amendment will be in order. That still has to be determined.

[John Solomon, NDP, Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK]

Mr. Speaker, there are actually three consequential amendments. I have two more which I did not read into the record. Therefore, I move:

That Bill C-2, in Clause 359, be amended by replacing lines 39 and 40 on page 149 with the following:

“ferred to in paragraph (4)(a), it must list subject to paragraph (b.1) the names and addresses of every contributor who donated a”

The third amendment reads as follows:

That Bill C-2, in Clause 359, be amended by replacing line 15, page 149 with the following:

“period referred to in paragraph (a), subject to paragraph (b.1), their”

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

It is a good thing that the House is in good humour because I distinctly remember the hon. member mentioning one amendment, not three.

All three of them will be taken under advisement.

[Ken Epp, Reform, Elk Island, AB]

Mr. Speaker, I rise to seek clarification. I ask the member whether this also applies to businesses which are operated in the name of unions?

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

That sounds an awful lot like debate to me. The hon. member for Elk Island will have the opportunity to either accept or reject it, but we will not get into debate on it.

[René Laurin, Bloc, Joliette, QC]

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. I realize that the interpreters, who did not get the text of the amendment in French or English, have not translated.

If we are to know the content of these amendments before we vote on them, it would be important to have the text.

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

The hon. member for Joliette has raised a pertinent point. We have the proposed amendment in French at the table. For any members who wish to see the amendments, they will be deposited in both languages at the table. Before the final vote is taken it is appropriate that people know what they are voting on.

The question is on Motion No. 105. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

[Some hon. members]

Agreed.

[Some hon. members]

No.

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

All those in favour of the motion will please say yea.

[Some hon. members]

Yea.

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

All those opposed will please say nay.

[Some hon. members]

Nay.

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

In my opinion the nays have it.

[Some hon. members]

On division.

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

I declare the motion lost.

(Motion No. 105 negatived)

[René Laurin, Bloc, Joliette, QC]

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order. You called the yeas and the nays and indicated that the nays had it by indicating those who voted to your right. To your right were yeas, and not nays. I believe this has misled the House.

[The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)]

I said that, in my opinion, the nays had it. The nays were on this side, the yeas on that. There were more nays than yeas, in my opinion.

We will do this again. If members want a recorded division, we will do it again.