Agreed.
House of Commons Hansard #80 of the 37th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was terrorists.
House of Commons Hansard #80 of the 37th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was terrorists.
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Some hon. members
Agreed.
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No.
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Canadian Alliance
Leon Benoit Canadian Alliance Lakeland, AB
Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I want to make the point that this was never brought to us. We had no warning of this whatsoever so we cannot possibly agree to it. We have our motion and it is a good one, worthy of support.
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Liberal
Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON
Mr. Speaker, I commend this side of the House for saying that we want to study this because there are a lot of ramifications. Unfortunately, our friends across the way are using a knee-jerk reaction and bringing forth six points in their motion that need to be studied further.
I came to this country 30 years ago fleeing tyranny. At that time what was happening in my country of origin was seen to be right. It was unfortunate that later on the prime minister of that country, who was in this country as an educator at York University, was also labelled a terrorist. He later became the prime minister of the country. I say to my friends across the way that we should act in caution. We should not try to brand everyone that way.
I have a large Tamil community in my riding. If anyone were to read these points they could say that the whole Tamil community could be linked to terrorism in some form. I say that we must act with due caution.
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Canadian Alliance
Werner Schmidt Canadian Alliance Kelowna, BC
Mr. Speaker, I have two comments. First, no terrorist group is mentioned in the motion. That is a matter of fact and we should tell the truth.
Second, the assumption that if this motion were presented in the form of a bill and it were passed it would prevent terrorism is false. Laws do not make people good.
We have laws in Canada that say to murder is bad, and we have punishment for that. Does that do away with murder? No. There are still people who choose to defy the law. That could happen here too.
Do we need to have a law like this? Yes, I think we do. We need to demonstrate to the world that we will not tolerate terrorism. Should we proceed with caution? Absolutely, we must proceed with caution. But terrorism? No.
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Canadian Alliance
Gary Lunn Canadian Alliance Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
Mr. Speaker, I want to express my deepest sympathy for every American for what happened on September 11 and every country that lost people in that tragedy.
As we move forward and we hear the response of what will happen, I want to state that it is critically important for us as parliamentarians and for all Canadians to stand shoulder to shoulder with our government and with our American friends to the south in this time of crisis.
I hope there will be a measured response that has as its goal the eradication of terrorism, not people. There are innocent people and children in every corner of this world. We need to ensure that there is a sustained response and ensure that it is to eliminate terrorism.
I have two very young children in my family. They have been deeply affected by this and they keep asking me what has happened. How does the hon. member feel this has impacted on children and how can we help them through this very difficult time?
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Canadian Alliance
Werner Schmidt Canadian Alliance Kelowna, BC
Mr. Speaker, it has affected children very much. Children who are not even in school were glued to the television set and asking their parents if what they were seeing was really that bad. It affected them and they went to bed crying. I know of one family where the children would not go to sleep for a while. They just could not tolerate this. What can we do? I believe we have to have strong families with love and understanding.
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bélair)
It being 5.15 p.m., it is my duty to interrupt the proceedings and put forthwith every question necessary to dispose of the business of supply.
Is the House ready for the question?
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Question.
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bélair)
The question is on the amendment. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the amendment?
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Some hon. members
Agreed.
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No.
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bélair)
All those in favour will please say yea.
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Yea.
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bélair)
All those opposed will please say nay.
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Some hon. members
Nay.
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bélair)
In my opinion, the nays have it.
And more than five members having risen:
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bélair)
Call in the members.
(The House divided on the amendment, which was negatived on the following division:)
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The Speaker
I declare the motion negatived.
The next question is on the main motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
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Some hon. members
Agreed.
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Some hon. members
No.
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The Speaker
All those in favour will please say yea.
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Some hon. members
Yea.
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The Speaker
All those opposed will please say nay.
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Nay.