Mr. Speaker, I just heard the last part of that intervention. It reminded me of a question that I asked the auditor general last week at the public accounts committee. The member said he hoped and prayed that the moneys were spent correctly and that there was a right and proper formula followed.
I asked that very question to the auditor general. The auditor general's reply was quite simple. She said that when she questioned the people involved, in this case with the Groupacton file and some improper spending of government dollars, the civil servants and the bureaucrats knew exactly what the rules were, where the dollars were and how the dollars were spent. They knew that they were in a conflict of interest. They knew that the contracts were not applied fairly and correctly following the government's policy.
My point is that we have a very good civil service. To a high degree, we have an excellent group of bureaucrats. They answer to their political masters, to the ministers of the departments. If a person is a top level civil servant and the minister tells that person not follow file or not file it, that is the gap and that is where the problem lies.