Mr. Speaker, I think that is twisting words and distracting from the point.
If you go back and look up the definitions of ministers of state, you will see the difference and the nuances. It is not a matter of it being less important per se and ideologically; it is a matter of the salary structure.
That is why Bill C-24 is being proposed. It is because you are changing the Salaries Act.
We have a legislative framework that is contradicting what the ideological stance is. That is why I would encourage all of the members to go back and read the definitions.