Madam Speaker, this is the problem we have. Anyone who watched the testimony would never characterize it in the way the member opposite characterized it. His characterization was that she said there was no problem, the Prime Minister said it was her decision, the staff members were not trying to pressure her and that everything was good. That was not the testimony I heard.
Members can bet it was her decision. She said to the Prime Minister and his people a number of times that it was her decision to make and she had made it. She basically said, “The lady's not for turning”. Then the Prime Minister's staff members said that they did not want to impose political pressure.
The PMO and the Prime Minister are very good at saying one thing and doing another. I have no doubt that is what the Prime Minister was trying to pull with her, but it was not about to work.
Her testimony was not refreshing. It was disturbing. It was sad. It was appalling. We do not need to hear words like “refreshing”, “wonderful” and “perspective”. We have a government that is being deceptive and that is not owning up to what it has done. This goes to the very heart of who we are as Canadians and of our democracy.
Could we establish right now—