House of Commons Hansard #96 of the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was seniors.

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Line 5 Pipeline ShutdownEmergency Debate

11:05 p.m.

Conservative

Greg McLean Conservative Calgary Centre, AB

Madam Speaker, I apologize as I just have that quote there. We will go through with the withdrawal of the remarks, but nevertheless I think they were part of the record. Let us go forward and address what that means.

If the NDP in Alberta actually think the Prime Minister is not helping Alberta enough, and this line is potentially linked to Alberta's prosperity, can this member get the Prime Minister to please demonstrate he is actually involved in files that affect this whole country and that bind Alberta and western Canada with the eastern Canadian refineries that use our product? Can he get involved in the file? That is what—

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11:05 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

The hon. parliamentary secretary.

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11:05 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, contrary to what Conservatives try to preach, and no doubt they put out their propaganda like no other, the Government of Canada, the Prime Minister and every member of the Liberal caucus understands what is taking place in Alberta and other regions of our country. We care for Alberta as we care for Ontario, Quebec and my home province of Manitoba. We believe in all regions of this country and we are there for them, because we understand and appreciate the value of our nation and the many contributions made by each and every community.

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11:05 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Madam Speaker, earlier there were comments about Enbridge and its reputation, and of course Enbridge has a poor record on pipeline breaks, including the massive 2010 Line 6B rupture, which spilled almost a million gallons of oil into the Kalamazoo River. Hence, we find ourselves in this situation.

As well, we are talking about a very old pipeline. In the event this pipeline is indeed cancelled, what is the government going to do to ensure protection is provided to the workers who would be impacted? Equally important, work would need to be done in moving Canada into the reality of having to address a climate emergency with significant measures in place to transition our—

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11:05 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

I have to give the parliamentary secretary the opportunity to answer in 15 seconds.

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11:05 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, I believe that May 12 will come and go, and we will continue to receive over 500,000 barrels a day through that line as common sense, diplomats and national political leaders who want to resolve this matter will do their jobs.

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11:05 p.m.

Conservative

James Cumming Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Madam Speaker, I rise virtually today to speak in this emergency debate about a critical piece of infrastructure, in an industry that is critical to the economy of our country and our recovery post-COVID-19.

I will be splitting my time with the member for Cypress Hills—Grasslands.

Enbridge's Line 5 pipeline carries Canadian oil east, running through Wisconsin and Michigan. It is supplying about half the oil needs of Ontario and Quebec. For decades, the pipeline safely shipped oil that is refined in Sarnia into gasoline, diesel, home-heating fuel and aviation fuel. It is also a major source of propane used in Ontario and Quebec. A lot of farmers use the propane to heat their homes, barns and commercial greenhouses, as well as to dry grain. Sourcing propane elsewhere could drive the cost of ag production up, along with the cost of food for Canadian families. This would, without a doubt, hurt industry and competitiveness.

Canada's oil and gas sector suffered another tremendous blow with the cancellation of the Keystone XL pipeline project. Keystone was all about securing additional export markets for access for western Canadian crude, to help this struggling sector and secure better average prices for our resources. Another great threat to our economy is looming: the cancellation of one of the most vital supply lines in our country. Tens of thousands of good jobs are at risk and, with no doubt, there will be increasing costs for many goods and services.

While I appreciate the discussion today, I do find it somewhat ironic that many of the voices that we are hearing from were silent while the energy industry was struggling, other projects were being cancelled and capital was being deployed outside of our country. Today's discussion is a symptom of a much larger problem, a problem that is six years of relative inaction by the government. I agree with the Minister of Natural Resources that this industry is, and has been, a critical pillar of our economic success. He spoke today about the action the government has taken since this fall. The much larger question is: where has the government been for the last six years?

I acknowledge that Line 5 has the attention now, but where has the government been when it comes to supporting this critical industry? The government has had six years to negotiate an agreement on a North American energy strategy. The cancellation of Keystone XL and now this crisis on Line 5 demonstrate to me the lack of a proactive strategy by the government. I would also note that there is virtually no mention of this important sector in the budget and absolutely no mention of a strategy for greater energy, security and self-sufficiency.

I am a proud Albertan and I recognize the critical importance that the natural resource industry plays today and how critical it will be for our economic recovery. The government has sent many signals that do not support its argument that it sees this industry as being critical. Support is not demonstrated by enacting legislation like Bill C-48 and Bill C-69. Canada has a critical trading relationship with the U.S., but we can also provide energy solutions for other jurisdictions and displace countries that do not extract resources to the same high and improving standards we have demonstrated.

In April of this year, there was a paper written by Philip Cross, and I would recommend reading it, with the title, “How oil sands investment and production benefit Canada's economy”. I would like to take this opportunity to share with colleagues a few of its salient quotes. This sector is one of the key supply sources of energy. “The oil sands are a uniquely Canadian success story and an increasingly rare example of innovation in Canada.” It is “important for the industry and governments in Canada to set the public record straight on what this industry has accomplished and its importance to Canada’s economy.” “The largest oil sands plants today are operated by Canadian companies...[such as] Suncor Energy, CNR, and Cenovus.” “Canada’s participation in the oil sands extends to First Nations.”

A number of indigenous ventures have participated in the oil sands: One Earth, Mikisew Group of Companies, Boucher, Tuccaro Group and Acden, to name a few. The economic benefits are enormous: $8.3 billion in oil sands investment represents 4.5% of all the business investment in Canada. “This exceeds all investments made by the retail trade industry, construction, or all business services, and is four times more than auto...” “Both investment and production in the oil sands are important to Canada’s economy...” Some $10 billion in investments results in Canada's GDP going up by 0.5% and increases overall employment by over 81,000. Combined with Ontario, Central Canada reaps about 13.6% of the jobs.

Canada's oil and natural gas resources are among the most responsibly produced energy resources on the planet, under the most stringent environmental regulations in the world. In Canada's oil sands, conditions have fallen significantly. According to data from the Government of Canada's 2019 national inventory report, greenhouse gas emissions in Canada's oil sands have fallen 34% per barrel since 1990, and they are going down further.

Media portrayals rarely present what the oil sands mine looks after the land has been rehabilitated, something all companies must commit to and set aside funds for when they begin operations. The boreal footprint of the oil sands is significantly less when compared with that of what is flooded to build massive hydro power projects.

Let us talk about a bit about innovation. The Alberta carbon trunk line system is the world's newest integrated large-scale carbon capture utilization and storage system. Designed as the backbone infrastructure needed to support a lower-carbon economy in Alberta, the ACTL system captures industrial emissions and delivers the CO2 to mature oil and gas reservoirs for use in enhanced oil recovery and permanent storage. As the largest capacity pipeline for CO2 from human activity, it is capable of transporting up to 14.6 million tonnes of CO2 per year, which represents 20% of all current oil sands emissions, or equal to the impact of capturing the CO2 from more than three million cars. The future of a lower-carbon economy relies on key infrastructure investments like the ACTL system to provide sustainable solutions to global energy requirements.

I wanted to illustrate today that we have these enormous assets and that we should recognize the fine work that industry has done to supply this important resource. Today I heard much discussion about an energy transition, but we are in the here and now. There are significant jobs at risk not only in the energy sector, but in sectors that depend upon a safe, secure supply of energy. Canada relies on exports to fuel our economy, and without the safe supply of energy, we run the risk of seeing our manufacturers, agricultural sectors and other industries go down, as they depend on this supply.

I have no doubt there will be a transition over time, but in the interim, I suggest that Canada has the opportunity to be a market leader in the supply of energy as we build into this transition. Oil will be critical during this transition, but we also have a tremendous opportunity to be an exporter of LNG and nuclear technology as we displace coal as an energy source.

Many speak about the new jobs that are about to be created to replace these valuable energy sector jobs, but I have yet to hear a substantive plan that demonstrates what those jobs will be and in what specific sectors they will be. The hard reality is we are a large country with a small population. We have built infrastructure and an impressive social safety net that supports people across the country. Much of this is as a result of the revenue produced from the natural resources and commodities that we have been blessed with. We should not lose sight of this important fact.

Line 5 is an important piece of this infrastructure, and shutting it down would have a dramatic impact on the citizens and industry in Ontario and Quebec. This makes us abundantly aware of the importance of energy security for our country. The last thing we want to rely on are alternatives for transportation, such as rail or truck traffic, or foreign markets for supply.

I hope the government will recognize not only the importance of Line 5, but also that the natural resources sector could be an important part of our future success. Jobs and people's economic well-being are at stake. My province has taken the brunt of the economic slowdown, and we are overdue for the government to do more than talk about the support of an industry. It should demonstrate with action.

It is time for the Prime Minister to show Canadians the specific plan for the natural resources sector and the thousands of jobs that this sector employs. The industry is ready and willing to be a substantive part of our economic recovery. This is about leadership, and it is also time for the Prime Minister to reach out to the President and reinforce the economic importance of energy security for both our countries, and ensure the continued operation of Line 5.

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11:15 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

Madam Speaker, I thank the member, especially, for laying out the facts on what is really happening and what industry is doing in the province of Alberta with carbon sinks and improving the environment, etc. That is information that the government and all Canadians need to get out there, instead of, if I can put it that way, badmouthing Alberta.

On tonight's debate, though, right at the end he said the Prime Minister needs to talk to the President. What is the key point that the member would suggest the Prime Minister or the government do at this point, related to Line 5 and its importance to the country and to the United States?

Line 5 Pipeline ShutdownEmergency Debate

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

James Cumming Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Madam Speaker, I thank the member for his work on the finance committee and for being one of those rare staunch supporters of the energy industry from the other side.

The important point is that this is about energy security for North America, and there is a tremendous opportunity for Canada and the U.S. to collectively build that security and displace other players who are not living to the same standards. There is an enormous opportunity here and we should take full advantage of it. I do believe that the Americans would be good partners, understanding that we both have the same goal.

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11:20 p.m.

NDP

Richard Cannings NDP South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

Madam Speaker, the member for Edmonton Centre is right that this is one pipeline that the NDP and the Conservatives can agree that we need. This is a pipeline supplying Canadian oil to Canadian industry. It is not an expansion pipeline, at a time in the world when demand for oil has flatlined and will undoubtedly decline over the next 30 years.

With respect to the other pipelines the member mentioned, the Canada Energy Regulator put out a report saying we do not need them. We do not need them because the projects they were meant to handle are not going ahead, and they are not going ahead because the world financial markets realize there is no future in new oil projects.

This flight of capital is not just happening in Canada; it is happening all over the world. I wanted to point that out because there is a real difference between these pipelines. That is why we see the value of this pipeline. We want it not to be shut down. We know it is important for Canadian jobs, and we know it is important for that transition—

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11:20 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

I have to give the member for Edmonton Centre an opportunity to comment.

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11:20 p.m.

Conservative

James Cumming Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Madam Speaker, respectfully, I completely disagree. There is investment taking place in industry. Norway is about to open massive drilling into a big reservoir. Russia is expanding its production. There are plenty of people who are in the resource business, and they are continuing to extract oil. There is still demand in the market, and I believe that Canada can play an enormous role in doing it better and providing that energy, at least as a bridge strategy until we find other alternatives that will displace oil.

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11:20 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Madam Speaker, as a former practising lawyer, I would just say that the notion that keeps being repeated here, that Canada has the toughest environmental regulations in the world, is absurd. The U.S. has always had tougher environmental laws than Canada, and ours were weakened in the Harper years and have not been repaired.

I wanted to draw attention to the hon. member's claim, which is true, that the industry has improved and reduced the amount of greenhouse gases per barrel of oil. He went back to the early 1990s. At that time, Canada produced less than half a million barrels a day. We are now six times higher than that. When we reduce the amount of pollution per barrel and then more than quadruple production, increase it six times, we obviously do have an increase in pollution, despite the fact that the pollution per barrel goes down.

I just wanted to draw that to the member's attention, although this debate has nothing to do with greenhouse gases per barrel. This is about the pollution if the pipeline breaks.

Line 5 Pipeline ShutdownEmergency Debate

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

James Cumming Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Madam Speaker, I will agree to disagree. I still think that Canada can be a major producer of energy products and displace others who are not doing it to the same standards. Quite frankly, pipelines are the safest way to transport oil.

Line 5 Pipeline ShutdownEmergency Debate

11:25 p.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Madam Speaker, I join tonight's energy debate wishing we did not need to have one, but the troubling situation with Enbridge Line 5 dictates that we need to. I also wish that the government would treat it with a lot more urgency than it has shown by its actions up to this point. It is actually a lot more accurate if we call it inaction. The Liberals lack of leadership has brought us near the brink.

As Canadians, we now find ourselves in a difficult position where a major problem is closer to happening than we could have ever imagined. This will be added to everything else Canada has already been facing with COVID-19 and lockdowns for well over a year.

People are tired and they are frustrated, as we all know, but now we are one week away from the Governor of Michigan's imposed deadline for shutting down Line 5. Since the first announcement almost six months ago, Canadians have been left in suspense about their future.

We are dealing with people's essential needs: fuel for getting to places where they need to be or for keeping our supply chains running, home heating, thousands of local jobs and keeping the environment cleaner and safer, just to name a few.

Whenever we talk pipelines, these are the actual issues at stake for ordinary people in their daily lives. This has always been a reality that affects the entire country, but this is the clearest example yet of how Ontario and Quebec will directly suffer as a result of anti-energy ideology.

As soon as we lose Line 5, gas and heat either get even more expensive than they already are or in other cases, it will just be unavailable, yet here we are facing the real possibility of fuel shortages on top of losing thousands of jobs directly and indirectly. Once again, it will in large part come on the back of the lack of leadership from the Liberal government.

Over 6,000 workers in Sarnia plus another 23,000 in the wider region after the effects ripple through the economy, these big numbers are made up of people with families, dreams and personal potential and they are at risk of joining the thousands and thousands of other energy jobs that have already been lost in western Canada under the same Liberal government. In this case, it does not matter if people live and work in the east or in the west.

Under the Prime Minister, they effectively all but cancelled the energy east pipeline through their unsupportive policies and rhetoric, not unlike the later problems of Trans Mountain.

We could use a pipeline exactly like energy east right now, because without it, we have no alternative replacement for moving oil and gas across Canada in the safest and cleanest way we know how to do it. This increased vulnerability in our energy supply was preventable with a worthwhile project well on its way before the Liberals undid it. If the oil and gas stops flowing with Line 5, the much-needed demand for it will not go away and it will have to be supplied in other ways.

The pipeline currently carries around 540,000 barrels per day. It will take 800 rail cars, or 2,000 trucks or nine oil tankers on the Great Lakes per day to make up for it, with increased greenhouse gas emissions combined with greater environmental and safety risks.

When I raised this point with the Minister of Natural Resources at our committee, he wanted to focus on petty politics, saying he did not want to have to answer gotcha questions when I asked some simple questions about the capacity of Line 5, instead of addressing the issue at hand, with all the social, economic and environmental importance. The superficial approach and attitude of the government was on full display.

This is the same cabinet minister who instead of the Prime Minister is supposed to be leading the charge for Line 5 and energy development in Canada. He has been saying he is confident Line 5 will not get shut down. Canadians are counting on him being right.

Following recent media reports that the government's diplomatic approach was “frustrated”, I asked the minister to be absolutely clear that this threatened shutdown would be averted. The parliamentary secretary responded with a canned answer on his behalf, although it was interesting to hear him say, “We are ready to intervene precisely at the right moment.” Sadly, this is not being clear with Canadians.

When exactly is the right time? An ATIP I referred to earlier, a request from my colleague from Battle River—Crowfoot, showed that as of March 10, there were exactly zero briefing notes on record under the control of the Privy Council Office from the Prime Minister dating back to March 1, 2019. To say that this is not even on his radar would be an understatement.

Again, it has been six months since the governor's announcement and we are now one week away from the deadline. This is also not the kind of deadline where a homework assignment can be turned in on the last day. It is quite the opposite. If the minister is confident that Line 5 will not stop flowing on May 13 and that it will continue for a little while longer after at least, that does not mean we are out of the woods whatsoever. For all the government knows, it would only be kicking a can down the road with the same or worse uncertainty wherever it might lead.

We already know that Enbridge, for its own part, plans to continue its operations and take the battle all the way through the courts in the U.S. However, the governor of Michigan just called Line 5 a ticking time bomb and clearly wants to fight back too. That really is not the point. For each month this has been dragged out, there has already been damage done. The mayor of Sarnia has described it as hovering for months.

Anxiety has been building as more time passes and the deadline gets closer. The workers in the wider community have had to live with it all along. Beyond that, it starts to have a broader, chilling effect. This is how the same mayor describes it. He said:

Anytime there’s uncertainty about the source of what drives a particular economy, it does have an impact when you’re trying to recruit companies and industries into the area.... When you’re in the economic development game, you’re always trying to eliminate anything that could be an impediment and the longer this goes on, the more of that anxiety is there.

Considering these wide-ranging effects, the right time to intervene was probably long before the deadline rather than a week before. Even if Line 5 makes it past the deadline while the courts handle the dispute, it could still find itself in a compromised position. As some lawyers have already noted, the perception of defying an order from the state government could somehow be used to undermine their case or political capital.

Hostile, anti-energy groups will certainly enjoy calling Line 5 an illegal pipeline, even though that is misleading and unclear. These are the same activists supporting the governor who are part of a movement that is pushing the same disinformation and anti-development ideology that led President Biden to cancel Keystone XL and our own Prime Minister to hold back other pipelines here in Canada.

We should also remember that there is at least one cabinet minister who actively took part in the anti-energy crusade and apparently has no regrets. These groups uncritically oppose operational pipelines as much as those under proposal, and it makes no difference to them the distinctions the government wants to make in its own positioning.

For years and years, the Liberals have played with fire going along with a lot of this movement's rhetoric. In doing this, they have helped to enable the same people who are behind this attack on Line 5. However, they are not the ones getting burned. The costs and consequences are falling on Canadian families and workers instead.

This should be a wake-up call for all the government. Looking at how this year is going so far, we see the results of a damaging pattern from the Liberal record of mixed signals and carelessness at best, or death by delay tactics at worst.

Back when President Biden cancelled Keystone XL on his first day in office, the Prime Minister said his government was going to fight for it, but it also made sure to quickly add that Joe Biden was keeping a campaign promise and that there were other priorities to work on with him. In other words, it did not take long for it to basically give up and move on.

Will the Liberals eventually do the same thing with Governor Whitmer's campaign promise to stop Line 5? If they say they support Line 5, do they mean it? Are they going to be proactive? Do they really care or understand the urgency? Will they think of other things to preoccupy themselves like they did with Keystone?

When we talk about Keystone, and listening to some of the questions from various members throughout the debate here tonight, there are a lot of questions on the indigenous involvement. When we look at Keystone XL in particular, I always talk about the group Natural Law Energy. The CEO is based in my riding, and he is from the Nekaneet first nation. It has an equity stake in the pipeline project.

We need to look at natural resource development, and we need to look at the continuation of pipelines in operation as an opportunity for indigenous Canadians to continue to be part of the economy, and to advance toward reconciliation and self-determination, because these are extremely important issues to them and, quite frankly, to all Canadians.

The other thing with Enbridge Line 5 that quite a few of my colleagues have spoken quite well about is that this is a national unity issue. What Line 5 does, and what these other pipelines that never got built would have done, is that Line 5 continues to displace the need for foreign oil coming into Canada.

As we are talking about reducing greenhouse gas emissions, why should we be importing oil with tankers across the ocean into Canada? We have the ability to refine our own oil and to use Canadian oil in Canada and in North America. We need to have a North American strategy and security for our energy production here in Canada. That is what Line 5 does. It unites Canada, and it helps to unite us with our partners across the line and to the south as well.

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11:35 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Madam Speaker, I listened to the member's speech with interest, but I do not buy all the facts, and I do not support the finger pointing. I do not see how that is helpful for Canada to advance its issues towards the United States in protecting Line 5.

I have heard some statements that the member made which are incorrect, in my opinion. He said that Canada has done nothing, but I know that this issue was brought to President Biden on February 23. In fact, on February 23, both leaders said that they “recognized the important economic and energy security benefits of the bilateral energy relationship and its highly integrated infrastructure”.

I remember when we were fighting for NAFTA. The Conservatives, NDP and Liberals were all united in fighting for it. When are the Conservatives going to join the government to fight for Line 5?

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11:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Madam Speaker, quite clearly that is what we are doing here tonight. We are fighting for Line 5.

A lot of us have done everything we can to raise awareness around this issue to bring it to the government's attention, and when we see things like an ATIP that shows there is zero communication from the Prime Minister to the Privy Council Office, it shows there is a complete lack of interest to do what is right by Canadians.

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11:35 p.m.

NDP

Richard Cannings NDP South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC

Madam Speaker, I must admit, as much as I like my riding, I think that the member for Cypress Hills—Grasslands has the privilege of living in one of the most beautiful parts of the country.

The member mentioned that the Governor of Michigan is acting on an election promise. That election promise was given because the people of Michigan have lost faith in Enbridge after the catastrophic spill in the Kalamazoo in 2010.

The Conservatives constantly and clearly feel that environmental regulations are too burdensome and too onerous in this country. In this situation, we would not be here tonight if that spill had not occurred, if Enbridge had built that pipeline better and had monitored it better.

I was just wondering if this gives the Conservatives a new appreciation for environmental impact studies.

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11:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Madam Speaker, I think they are a key part of the equation. However, technology has improved over time. My uncle worked for TransCanada PipeLines for well over 35 years. I have talked to him about the improvements that have been made in pipeline monitoring and the way technology has advanced, and there is a greater hands-on approach taken by these companies.

With Line 5, Enbridge is looking to build a new corridor underneath the streets which is going to be encapsulated in concrete. It is going to put the latest and greatest technology into that. I think that is a huge positive and something that we need to embrace.

These energy companies have done a great job of advancing technology, pursuing how to be more environmentally sustainable and to have better and best practices. I think that we need to allow them to put them into practice as well.

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11:35 p.m.

Conservative

James Cumming Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Madam Speaker, one of the members mentioned February 23 when there was interest shown on trying to deal with Line 5. It has been six years. Does the member think that the government could have been much more proactive in negotiating some form of a North American strategy so that we would not be in the position we are in today?

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11:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Madam Speaker, I think that question is an important one, especially when we look at the last administration in the United States. I am sure there would have been a willingness there to get a strategy for North American energy security done, and I think that even with this new administration there is an opportunity, but the fact is that it has been six years of basically nothing.

Again, we have to look at the track record of this government, and that six-year time window just shows a lack of seriousness in getting this done. It shows that companies are seeing investment, but we would see more investment, I believe, if the government took these matters seriously.

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11:40 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Madam Speaker, I will be splitting my time with the member for Nickel Belt, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Natural Resources, for whom I have the utmost respect. I know he does an incredible job. He fights for his constituents in the Nickel Belt and Greater Sudbury area, and represents them well. I have a lot of respect for him as a person.

Tonight, we are debating the importance of Line 5 and crude oil. I know that this has a direct impact on my constituents in Glengarry—Prescott—Russell. Although it is not directly about crude oil, the indirect effects are similar to concerns about propane gas. I felt them myself during the strike of November 2019. I know it is important for many people. Although it had nothing to do with Line 5, the CN strike and the propane crisis had a major impact on my constituents and on Quebec.

Actually, I would like to thank a local business, Propane Levac, that took the bull by the horns and found a solution with CN. I also want to thank CN, with whom we worked in close collaboration. Even during the strike, we managed to get some propane in eastern Ontario and even to supply a large part of Quebec. That was all made possible by Propane Levac. During the month of November, most farmers relied on propane to run their driers to dry their grain, which was so important. Once again, I would like to thank Propane Levac, who played an important role during this crisis.

Line 5 is important for Ontario and for Quebec.

We know how important Line 5 also is for the U.S. We know that Canada exports 56% of the crude oil used in the U.S. and 91% of Canada's energy exports, which include crude oil, natural gas, electricity from clean sources and uranium, are exported to the U.S. The point is that our economies are integrated. There is about $2.1 billion in economic activity every day across the U.S.-Canada border. Obviously, it is an important economic relationship that goes far beyond any prime minister or president. If Line 5 were cancelled, it would be an insult to Canada, Canadians, Ontario and Quebec. There will be a solution. We will be able to find a solution to that problem.

In 2016-17, when former President Trump said he was going to renegotiate NAFTA, all of us in the chamber took a united stand. The Conservatives, NDP, some of the Bloc and the Greens all said we were going to fight for Canada and would not point fingers at each other because one party lacked a strategy or because somebody did not say something at the right time. We were all going to stand together and fight for Canada.

I remember all of us, even backbenchers, going to Washington and lobbying members of Congress, whether they were Republicans or Democrats, and we all had the same story. Members of the agriculture committee went there and we talked about a hamburger. Nothing unites the U.S. and Canada more than a hamburger. We discussed the fact that the tomatoes may be grown in Ontario, the buns may be made in the U.S. and the cattle may come from Alberta, be sent down south, processed in the U.S. and shipped back to Canada. The hamburger was a united story to describe how the economies of Canada and the U.S. are truly integrated. It was a good story to tell our U.S. counterparts to describe how Canada and the U.S. have truly integrated economies and are best friends. Yes, we may have disagreements once in a while, but I sincerely believe that the team Canada approach is what made CUSMA the success we know it to be today. I am glad the official opposition supported it at the time.

Now that we are dealing with Line 5, I think the approach should be a team Canada approach. It should not be about finger pointing or saying the Liberals are bad or the Liberals are doing this or that. I do not know if it has something to do with the official opposition leader's numbers in Alberta. I hope it does not, because I know I saw some polls and they were doing even worse than our own Prime Minister in Alberta. I hope it has nothing to do with politics. I would hope they would put the 6,500 jobs that the leader of the official opposition has mentioned in this House tonight in front of partisan politics, because it is important. It is important that we support the workers. It is important that we support the families that still rely on the benefits of Line 5.

I am not going to stand here and say we need to shut down Line 5 because it is going to benefit the environment. That is simply a false narrative. There is a transition toward a green economy. It is not going to happen tomorrow.

It is important that Line 5 not be shut down on May 12. It is important that we continue to support our oil and gas workers. I want to say to my colleagues from Alberta that even though I am from eastern Ontario, I fully support the people of Alberta.

I have a personal connection to Alberta's oil sands because I have a cousin who is a first responder serving those communities. He is the resource person when people are too far away from the hospital. He is the first person to respond to emergency calls because sometimes when people get hurt it is an emergency.

It is true that Line 5 affects not just Alberta, but all of Canada. I believe that it is important that we all stick together and fight to support our government, Line 5 and our oil and gas workers. We know the extent to which Line 5 supports the economy, not just in Alberta, but also in Ontario and Quebec.

Earlier I mentioned how propane still plays a big role in helping our farmers and in my riding. It is also used to heat our homes in some rural areas that unfortunately do not yet have natural gas and where the only way to get heat is with propane tanks.

At some point, I know there is going to be a change and a transition, which is important to talk about. Alberta is an oil-producing province right now, but at some point there will be a green transition, despite the fact that the rest of the world might not be at the same level as Canada in that transition. Some dependence on oil will remain, but at some point the world is going to want access to green technologies. Alberta will be able to play a big role, and if it is not in oil, it will be in some other technology.

In 1910, before Ford marketed its Model T, everyone was using wagons and horses, but we knew we could not depend on those wagons and horses forever. Even today, we say we need oil for our cars, but I know we are transitioning to cars that do not necessarily need gasoline.

This does not mean that Canada does not have a role to play in this new world. We know that we have the 15 mineral components required to do so. We know that Canada can play a major role in this green transition and Alberta needs to be part of the transition, as does Newfoundland.

My message today is that instead of pointing fingers at others in the House, we should join forces against those who want to shut down Line 5. Canada and Canadian workers deserve it.

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11:45 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Madam Speaker, I fully agree. Now is the time for a team Canada approach. I actually spearheaded a letter-writing campaign with all of the trade unions in my riding and all of the stakeholders, and we got all of our friends who live in Michigan, who are her constituents, to write to Governor Whitmer as well. I sponsored a petition. I think all of these things are very important.

We have heard that the government is taking action and will pursue every alternative, but there are specific recommendations from the Canada-U.S. committee that all parties agreed to. Does the member agree that those need to happen?

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11:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Madam Speaker, the government has looked at all the options, including legal options. If politicians fail to listen to the economic arguments, those legal options are on the table and I know Canada will use them to defend Line 5.

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NDP

Niki Ashton NDP Churchill—Keewatinook Aski, MB

Madam Speaker, the Liberals are masters of performative politics. They say they take climate change seriously, yet they find money to spend on another pipeline that will only contribute to greenhouse gas emissions.

Last year, the Liberals offered $18 billion in subsidies to oil and gas companies. They talk about jobs. Where is the support for creating green jobs, jobs of the future, the jobs that my generation and generations to come desperately need? When will the Liberals stop greenwashing their agenda and act on the climate emergency that we all face?