House of Commons Hansard #355 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was leader.

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4 p.m.

Conservative

Gerald Soroka Conservative Yellowhead, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am not disputing that we need to have oversight, but I am not certain if it was federal funding or provincial funding. If it is provincial, then it definitely would be under municipal affairs. Any time we are giving public funds, we need to make sure they are managed properly and allocated properly. Having oversight is a given, and we should always do that properly any time we are dealing with public funds.

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4 p.m.

Conservative

Dean Allison Conservative Niagara West, ON

Mr. Speaker, one of the things that I ascertain about the current Liberal government is how incompetent it is as a government. As a matter of fact, it quite clearly could be the most incompetent government in the history of Canada, whether that is regarding spending money or something else.

Let us just do a quick list, and I will talk about it more a bit later. There is the Winnipeg lab where the government actually hired Chinese spies of all things, and let them FedEx and Canada Post viruses back to China and then would not talk about it in Parliament. It is the same issue we have going on here where we are asking for documentation like we did back then. What did the Liberals do? They stalled and then they called an election. We actually brought someone to the bar over here, an unelected person, after over 100 years. This seems like déjà vu to me.

The hon. member mentioned Jasper and what a gong show it was for the government in how it handled it. It was completely shameful. How is it that the government is the most incompetent government in the history of this country?

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4 p.m.

Conservative

Gerald Soroka Conservative Yellowhead, AB

Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge the great speech that the hon. member had just talked about. It is very true that so many times I am out in the community and people just start saying, where is my money going? How is it being wasted once again when it goes to government in Ottawa?

That is the biggest problem and that is what people are really questioning. The current government has spent more than any other government in 150 years, in all of Canadian history. Therefore, is it any surprise that there are scandals happening? People are questioning, where is that couple of million going? A million dollars is nothing anymore with the current government. Even $1 billion of wasted money is nothing anymore. We are at the tens of billions of dollars.

That is what Canadians want to know. They want to know where all this money is going and how it is that other Canadians are getting rich and they are suffering and paying for this and losing their jobs and homes over this kind of government.

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4 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I just could not help myself when I heard a few moments ago the member say, “release the names”. I feel as though he has spent too much time reading the memes that his party is creating in the back room back there. I mean, this member is a sitting member of Parliament. Does he not know that it would be illegal for anybody to release the names? Yet he comes in here and he makes comments like this as though it is actually possible. Guess what: Somebody can have the names. That is the Leader of the Opposition and all he needs to do is complete a security clearance.

The question from the parliamentary secretary a few moments ago was, why will the Leader of the Opposition not get his security clearance? Is he worried that he might fail it and he might not be given the clearance? Is there something in his history that is preventing him from actually getting the security clearance? That is what we want to know. Could the member not recite memes and rather just inform us why the Leader of the Opposition will not get a security clearance?

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4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Gerald Soroka Conservative Yellowhead, AB

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member said that he just had to stand up, that he just could not stand it anymore, really. This is what the hon. member does on a daily basis. It is almost laughable, what the member has brought froward.

It is funny, though, how just last week the Prime Minister stated that there has been foreign interference, and he knows where it is coming from but he cannot say. Actually, under the legislation, the Prime Minister has the authority to say. Then we could actually find out who these people are.

If we truly want to find out how foreign interference is affecting Canadians, then let the Prime Minister release the names and let them be judged accordingly.

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4:05 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

Order. While a little banter is always okay, a lot of yelling is not. Let us keep the level down.

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October 21st, 2024 / 4:05 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Mr. Speaker, on the topic of affordability in Alberta, CUPE Local 3550, representing over 4,000 educational assistants who make just $27,000 annually, are fighting for better wages. They are fighting for better work conditions, and they are fighting so that they can actually have a work-life balance.

This is an incredibly important issue that we are seeing. Almost 4,000 EAs are prepared to strike in Alberta on Thursday for better wages. The problem in all this is the fact that the province has instituted a 2.5% cap on their wages, which is nearly nothing.

Would the member agree that the most important part of getting good, powerful paycheques is actually supporting powerful unions?

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4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Gerald Soroka Conservative Yellowhead, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am not certain how this is a federal issue, but I guess I will answer that everybody who is working deserves to have a fair and equitable wage to make sure that they have a living.

One of the biggest problems that we have been dealing with here in Canada is our cost of living continually escalating year after year. Actually, I wish it was year after year, it is almost month after month that people keep going to the grocery store and they cannot believe how quickly the prices of everything keep rising.

I think we need to get rid of the government and have an election, so we can get some common sense back in this Canadian economy to have a standard of living that everyone wants.

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4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

Mr. Speaker, what I find interesting about this debate is that the Liberals admitted a long time ago that money was stolen. That is when they shut down the SDTC.

All we are asking is that the Liberals turn over the evidence of this theft to the RCMP. What the Liberals want to do is refer this to committee. When the member's constituents tell him that they have been stolen from, is his advice to call a committee or call the police?

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4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Gerald Soroka Conservative Yellowhead, AB

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member is absolutely right. What does government want to do, and I do not care at what level? It is study things to death and not get any answers.

That is exactly what the Liberal government is trying to do: take it to committee so we can study it to death. We are saying it should go to the RCMP. It is the law in Canada, and it can deal with this properly. What are the Liberals doing? They are hiding behind government priorities or policies once again instead of getting the truth, which is what Canadians want to hear.

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4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, it is always a privilege to rise in this House to speak to the important issues of the day. However, in this case, there is a sad irony in that opposition members are not using that privilege to promote or oppose legislation for the betterment of Canadians, but rather are being forced to defend those privileges on behalf of the Canadians we represent and against the stonewalling government across the way.

Last week, the editorial board of The Globe and Mail wrote, “The Liberals' naked disdain for Parliament [and by extension Canadians] is showing”. The Liberal government has such a profound disrespect for Canadians and for the long-held traditions of this place that it is choosing to defy not only the opposition, but the Speaker and, worst of all, Canadians themselves, who want and deserve to know the truth.

There is so much rot at the core of the government. The default toward secrecy and cover-ups, the antipathy toward law enforcement and the pattern of profound disrespect toward the people of Canada are all ingrained traits of the government and the failed and, as we can only be led to believe, corrupt Prime Minister, who has been the catalyst for a culture of cronyism, corruption and cover-ups.

This is nothing new. We are here today, as we have been for the last two weeks, debating the undebatable. The Auditor General has found that Sustainable Development Technology Canada appointed Liberals to run the program, who turned around and gave $400 million of taxpayers' money, the Canadian people's money, to their own companies. The Auditor General found a whopping 186 separate conflicts of interest, and rather than comply with the Speaker's ruling to produce documents related to the massive scam, the Liberals are choosing to hold up the business of the House indefinitely as they scramble to once again cover up their tracks.

This is not the first time the government has been accused of unethical behaviour. I know it is hard to believe, but it is true, and this is not the first time that government members have defied Parliament, defied the Speaker and even stonewalled the police in an attempt to cover up their sordid deeds. In fact, as I was preparing for this speech, when I searching in my emails and typed in the keywords “refusal to hand over documents”, what popped up was not about SDTC, which we are debating today, but another incident from back in 2021, when the government allowed Chinese spies, Beijing-sponsored scientists with ties to the Chinese military and bioweapons program, to access our top clearance national microbiology lab in Winnipeg.

The lead scientist, Dr. Qiu, at the same time as she was working in our top security level 4 lab, was flying back and forth to China for meetings in Beijing and helping Beijing set up its very own level 4 lab in Wuhan. At the time, the former Speaker ruled the government, his own party, to have violated parliamentary privilege and to be in contempt of Parliament when the Liberals refused to produce the documents related to this improper transfer of deadly Ebola and henipavirus samples from Winnipeg to Wuhan.

We still do not know how serious a leak that was because this House, through the Speaker's predecessor, ordered the government to hand over the documents and the government refused. The Liberals sought to cover up the truth of what happened, not on the grounds of national security but for political reasons, because they were trying to protect the Prime Minister, who had failed so spectacularly to keep Canadians safe.

It is the same Prime Minister who refused to hand over documents to the RCMP in yet another case. Back in 2019, it came to light that the Prime Minister had pressured and bullied the former attorney general of Canada to give SNC-Lavalin, which was ironically also facing corruption charges, a sweetheart deal to drop the charges so as not to negatively affect the Liberals' political fortunes in Quebec. She refused and he fired her, kicked her out of cabinet and eventually out of the Liberal Party. Clearly, there is no place for truth-telling and standing on principle in today's Liberal Party, especially when it comes to standing up to the Prime Minister.

The worst part of that affair is that all of the members on the other side who were there, all of the hon. ministers, all backed the Prime Minister. In fact, at the time, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, then the minister of tourism, called what Jody Wilson-Raybould had done “fundamentally wrong”. She was telling the truth. How morally backwards does one need to be to look at that situation and say that the former attorney general of Canada, who upheld the law, should be ashamed? The foreign affairs minister has been touted as a future leader of the Liberal Party. She certainly seems to fit into the mould.

Speaking of backwards, members may recall that that same week, we had in this House about 50 young women as part of a delegation from Daughters of the Vote, a youth leadership movement, and they turned their backs to the Prime Minister in protest during his speech to the delegation. Jody Wilson-Raybould and the one woman in cabinet who had the courage of her convictions and the moral clarity to support her, Dr. Jane Philpott, were treated shamefully by their colleagues in the current corrupt government.

To bring it back to the point about the documents we are discussing today, the government was ordered to hand over the documents and refused. In fact, so desperate was it to cover up the misdeeds of the Prime Minister that it not only withheld documents from the House, but withheld documents from the Ethics Commissioner. In his 2019 report, Commissioner Mario Dion wrote, “I was unable to fully discharge [my] investigatory duties”. As we learned, later that year it also refused to turn over documents to the RCMP.

Documents released by Democracy Watch, via an access to information request, show that the Prime Minister's Office refused to hand over documents to the RCMP when investigating the Prime Minister. I am really not sure what is worse here, the fact that the Prime Minister, who so clearly believes he is above the law, stonewalled the RCMP got away with it or the fact that the RCMP, under disastrous former commissioner Brenda Lucki, let him get away with it.

Subsection 139(2) of the Criminal Code of Canada states that it is a criminal offence “to obstruct, pervert or defeat the course of justice”. In attempting to get the then attorney general to change her mind by attempting to convince her, the highest-ranking prosecutor in the land, to drop a criminal case for political reasons, it certainly appears that the Prime Minister and his staff were trying to obstruct justice. In fact, if we look at the RCMP report, we can basically paraphrase it as follows: The RCMP did not look at all the evidence because it could not get it because the government would not give it up, but it was probably just as well. That is shocking.

Then we have the ArriveCAN app scam, with an app that should have cost $80,000 ballooning to $60 million. The RCMP again opened criminal investigations into the actions of the Liberal government, 13 separate investigations at last count. There were allegations of identity theft, fraudulent and forged resumes, contractual theft, fraudulent billing, price-fixing and collusion, all with senior bureaucrats in and appointed by the government.

We could talk about WE Charity, with nearly a billion dollars handed over to an organization that paid nearly half a million dollars to the Prime Minister's family and paid for a lavish vacation for the then finance minister. Just on a side note, the then finance minister did repay the money he had been given for the cost of the vacation.

We could talk about how COVID contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars were handed out to Liberal cronies, who got richer while Canadians had to suffer. We all remember the $237 million given to Baylis Medical, run by former Liberal donor and member of Parliament Frank Baylis.

Baylis donated tens of thousands of dollars to the Liberals and did he ever get a return on that investment. There was a $237-million contract to produce 10,000 ventilators, which would normally cost about $13,700. He billed the Canadian government $23,750 a ventilator. If we do the math, that is $100 million over and above a normal profit. There was another $422,000 from the Department of Industry, the same department at the heart of the green slush fund. Frank Baylis has also expressed an interest, in recent days, in running to replace the Prime Minister.

There was also the $84 million given to MCAP, the mortgage brokerage firm that employed the husband of the Prime Minister's chief of staff, Katie Telford. Hundreds of millions of dollars from that period remain unaccounted for.

I just want to pause here and note that the Liberal sponsorship scandal, which brought down the last Liberal government, was a mere $2 million. We know taxes are up, we know costs are up and now we know scandals are up. It is not $2 million this time; it is billions of dollars that we are talking about. I guess Liberal inflation is even affecting scandals. Everything is either broken or more expensive under the Prime Minister.

At the time, even the CBC called the Prime Minister out. We know it has to be bad for the Liberals when the radical ideologues and propagandists at the CBC are willing to bite the hand that feeds them, generously feeds them in the case of the current government, and criticize the government.

On December 7, 2020, an aptly named series called “The Big Spend” started. It stated the Prime Minister's government “won't say who got billions of dollars in aid” and that “While some payments have been revealed, the destination of billions of dollars in aid remains secret.” Then it goes on to note, with some irony, that the Prime Minister ran on a promise of openness and transparency, a promise that he has broken, like so many. Sunny ways and sunshine are the best medication, are they not?

It used to be blackface. Now it is black ink on the scores of documents that the Prime Minister seeks to hide from Parliament, from the authorities and from Canadians. Every time the Liberals and their cronies get caught breaking the rules, they cover it up and refuse to tell Canadians the truth. Here we go again with another scandal, more Liberal cronyism and corruption, another cover-up, more blacked-out documents and more stonewalling.

What happened? The Liberals created a $1-billion slush fund for funding so-called green technology projects and programs. They appointed Liberal insiders to run the program, but instead of helping Canadians, we know they were busy helping themselves. Just as with ArriveCAN and their crony COVID spending, the Liberals were helping Liberals get rich off the backs of struggling Canadians.

Just as with ArriveCAN and SNC-Lavalin, the RCMP is investigating corruption in the government. True to form, as with previous investigations, the Liberals are blocking the RCMP from getting the documents it needs to determine who in the government broke the law.

Like the Prime Minister and five of his ministers before, the Liberals' hand-picked chair of the Liberals' billion-dollar green slush fund, Annette Verschuren, broke the law. Canada's Ethics Commissioner has ruled that she violated subsection 6(1) and section 21 of the Conflict of Interest Act, finding that her actions “furthered her private interests”. To make matters worse, the Minister of Industry was warned of Verschuren's glaring conflict of interest but allowed her to keep her position until she was forced to resign. She only did this after being exposed for wasting Canadian taxpayers' dollars on projects that benefited her financially.

On top of this, the Auditor General found that over $330 million in taxpayer money was paid out in 186 cases where there was a conflict of interest, with Liberal-appointed directors funnelling money to companies they owned, including Verschuren's. There was $59 million given to ineligible projects that never should have been awarded any money at all. This is no small scandal. This is a big deal.

When this came to light, the Conservatives took action. Our job is to hold the government accountable, and that is what we are seeking to do with this privilege motion and this debate.

Back in June, all parties, with the exception of the Liberals, voted in favour of a motion requiring the government to produce documents related to the mass corruption at Sustainable Development Technology Canada. It should be noted that the Liberals do not deny any of these allegations, and that makes this so much worse. It actually admits to the wrongdoing, but it is still engaging in a cover-up. The House, the majority of the members of Parliament, who are the people's democratically elected representatives, demanded on behalf of Canadians that these documents be turned over. Rather than comply, the government handed over redacted documents, or in some cases, refused to produce documents entirely.

The rules of parliamentary privilege are clear: The House has the authority, with its very broad powers, to request whatever documents it wants. It is up to the House to determine if those requests have been met to its satisfaction. The House has determined that they have not, so we sit here, day after day, asserting the moral right of the House on behalf of the Canadians who sent us here, including those who sent the government here and whom the government has abandoned. They are the Canadians whose money and trust it has treated with such carelessness and disdain. We demand answers, and we demand accountability.

Another scandal, which is criminal in nature, is the $400 million in conflicts of interest. There we have the same model, with the same players and refrains of denial and distraction from the government benches. It is just sad. The saddest part of all is that we will probably be here again. I am not sure if it will be the $10-billion conflict of interest they are setting up with Mark Carney, or on a much smaller scale, maybe the real Randy will finally stand up. Maybe the Prime Minister will finally tell us the truth about China. I do not know. What I do know is that, as long as the Liberals are in power, we will be back here again soon, doing something very similar to what we are doing right now.

The latest scandal has paralyzed the House of Commons from being able to deal with the issues that families are facing in Canada, including right here in Ottawa, like the cost of living, food inflation and the crime and chaos that are rampant in our streets. We know that everything is up. My constituents in Provencher know it. They talk to me about how their taxes are up. They talk to me about how the costs of everything they have to buy are up. They talk to me about how crime is up, especially rural crime. Then they add on, “And I think the Liberals' time is up, too.” I cannot disagree with them. I also think the Liberals have exceeded their shelf life and their best-before date has come and gone, if there ever even was one.

As a result of the Liberals' entitled attitude towards accountability, we have crime and chaos in government. It is not so much the gravity of what they have done as much as the artlessness and the utter brazenness, along with the regularity of and the apathy towards their misdeeds, that has even the most jaded Canadians scratching their heads in disbelief. What started as a simple flouting of ethics rules for the Prime Minister with his taxpayer-funded vacation to a lobbyist's private island, for which he received the dubious distinction of being the only sitting prime minister in Canadian history to be found guilty of violating ethics laws, quickly unfolded into a pattern of cronyism, corruption, cover-ups and ethical violations for the Prime Minister, his ministers and others in government. That is unprecedented in the history of Canadian politics.

There is a saying, and I read it again just recently, that anyone who can be trusted with a little, will be trusted with a lot. We have seen that over and over again in the Liberal government. We want to trust it because we, as members of Parliament, know how important trust is. We expect our constituents to place their trust in us to bring their cares and concerns to Parliament, to vigorously debate, to defend them and their rights, and to uphold the integrity of this place. We do that day after day. Our constituents expect that of us. We know that the trust they have in us is not something that we can take for granted because trust can be broken. When trust is broken, it is very difficult to repair. If we can be trusted in the little things, these big things that we are talking about would not even be an issue because we know that trust would carry on, even for the big things.

We know that after nine years, the Prime Minister is not worth the cost, not worth the crime and not worth the corruption. Only common-sense Conservatives are standing up for Canadian families, and only Conservatives would end the Liberal culture of cronyism, cover-up and corruption. The Liberals must end their cover-up and hand over the documents to the RCMP so that Parliament can get back to working for the Canadians who sent us here.

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4:30 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I would like to go back to something one of the member's colleagues talked about, and that is past behaviour. There is an interesting book that lists 70 instances of abuses of power, corruption, just name it, with Stephen Harper. I quickly went through it, but it missed one of the largest ones, the ETS scandal, which was a $400-million scandal. I do not think all the problems with Stephen Harper have been documented.

Why is that relevant? It is because the point person for Stephen Harper is today's leader of the Conservative Party. If we reflect on behaviour from the past, members of the Conservative Party need to look in the mirror and start asking questions of the Conservative leader, such as why he does not have the guts to get a security clearance and what he is hiding. Is there something about the leader of the Conservative Party's past that would not allow him to get the security clearance? Is that not a valid question, and should Canadians not have an answer to that?

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4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, I have heard the member for Winnipeg North ask that question over and over again today. What he is missing is that that is not what we are debating today. We are debating Sustainable Development Technology Canada's refusal to hand over the documents the RCMP has requested to investigate the corruption of the Liberal Party. It starts with the Prime Minister and his orders to his people. It starts with the Prime Minister's office and appointments to a corporation like that. That is where it starts. That is what we are debating today.

Conservatives are asking for the documents to be produced so Parliament can get back to work and the RCMP can investigate. If there is nothing to hide, let the sunshine in.

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4:30 p.m.

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Mr. Speaker, it has been three weeks of Conservatives filibustering their own motion and debating with Liberals about who is more scandalous. When we have serious things happening right now, including foreign interference, the leader of the Conservative Party refuses to get a security clearance, but he continues to point fingers.

I am a Manitoban, and I know Manitobans are really struggling right now. The hon. member for Provencher voted against a guaranteed livable basic income, a school meal program, pharmacare and dental care. Conservatives say Canadians are struggling. I always hear them talk about food banks.

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4:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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4:30 p.m.

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Mr. Speaker, now I am being heckled and called a socialist for trying to help people with the cost of living.

I am wondering if my colleague is ready to get back to work or if he is going to keep playing partisan games on the backs of Canadians.

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4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, the member for Winnipeg Centre asked the same question that the member for Winnipeg North did. I think she thinks she is in a different debate.

I will tell the member one thing. The member talks about her constituents, and within her constituency is an organization run by my good friend, Kent Dueck, which is called Inner City Youth Alive. For 25 years, he has worked with youth in the member's riding to bring them hope and healing from addiction and drugs. This last weekend, he received an award from Scott Gillingham, the mayor of the City of Winnipeg, for the good work he is doing in her riding, which she should be doing, and she is not.

There is another organization in her riding, which is run by Steve Paulson, called Adult and Teen Challenge. I visited it in the member's riding. It deals with individuals struggling with addictions to substances, alcohol and drugs, and crime. It is helping individuals to get out of that lifestyle, to get jobs and to become productive, contributing members of society.

That is what is happening in the member's riding, and she has nothing to do with that.

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4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Mr. Speaker, Canadians have lived this nightmare before, this nightmare on Wellington Street.

We had a situation where two doctors at the level four laboratory in Winnipeg took deadly viruses to Wuhan, China. In 2019, they were arrested. By the time 2020 and 2021 rolled around, we finally had enough to establish that we needed the production of documents. At that time, the government also refused to provide the documents and went so far as to sue the Speaker of the House. What happened after that? The Liberals called an election to get out of it.

Why do the Liberals not call a carbon tax election now?

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4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, I just want to reiterate what a fantastic question the member for Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke asked, as that really is the question.

Why not just call a carbon tax election? We will let Canadians decide if they trust the Liberals anymore and whether they want a total reset by putting Conservatives back in place. The Conservative Party is a party they can trust, a party with integrity, a party that gives them the hope that they will be able to take home powerful cheques that would provide for affordable housing and affordable fuel. Let us have a carbon tax election.

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4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, the way Conservatives are going on and on, for days and weeks at this point, is such a joke.

Earlier, the questions asked were why this is going on and why can we not let the motion go to committee. A Conservative got up and said that they cannot let it go to committee because things would just get buried at committee. Do the Conservatives even understand what they are debating?

We are literally debating a motion to send this to committee. The members cannot say they want to debate this and then not expect an end result at some point or another. The whole point is to send it to committee, yet, by their own admission earlier today, the Conservatives are intentionally keeping it here in the House so it does not go to committee.

When the House leader and the NDP are saying that the Conservatives are just filibustering their own motion, they are absolutely correct. That is exactly what the Conservatives are doing, and that is all they are doing.

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4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member is asking for clarification as to why we are here today.

We are here today debating this because we have asked that the SDTC, the Prime Minister, the PMO, the Liberal government, call it whatever we want, to hand over unredacted documents pertaining to the origin and destination of the $400 million that the Auditor General identified as being misappropriated. We want unredacted documents handed over to the RCMP. It is that simple.

If the government has nothing to hide, it can just let the sunshine in.

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4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Rocky Ridge, AB

Mr. Speaker, in his speech, the member brought up the brazenness of this. It was an interesting observation on how we have this issue of scandal after scandal and violations of the privileges of elected members over and over again. He brought up the Winnipeg lab and much from the 42nd Parliament as well.

It is as though the Liberals are just trolling us now. They do not even care anymore that their insiders voted to give themselves money with their insider dealings at SDTC. The House has voted to release the documents. We are debating a motion to send it to committee, but they do not need to do that. The Liberals could just release the documents, and then we could move on to the next scandal, which is about the two Randys.

Does the member have any comment on the brazenness of the conflicts of interest that occur under the Liberal government?

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4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, the question from the member for Calgary Rocky Ridge refers to something that I talked about in my speech.

I talked about the brazenness and the callousness with which the Liberal government operates, particularly the PMO and the Prime Minister. It is like it is with anything else as it starts off small. It started off with accepting a free vacation to the Aga Khan's Island. It started off with something small, and then it grew.

It is like a drug addict who starts off small. They start off with marijuana, which is something the Liberal government, coupled with the NDP, promoted and legalized. For most drug users I have talked to, it almost always started with marijuana, but it never ends there. It advances to cocaine, heroine and all these other very harmful drugs, such as opioids. I think people become numb after a while.

I think that is what has happened to the Liberals. They started out with small little scandals and have numbed their consciences. They have seared their consciences. They are not even capable of feeling guilt and remorse anymore. It is so sad, because there is hope for everybody, and I think there is hope for the Liberals too. Just let the sunshine in and—

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4:40 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

I just realized, after five hours of sitting here, that it is actually the five-year anniversary of the class of 2019. I see a number of their faces here, so I just wanted to say happy anniversary to the class of 2019.

Resuming debate, the hon. member for Kingston and the Islands.

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4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the member for Calgary Rocky Ridge for pointing out, just moments ago, what the Conservatives are actually doing. We heard him here moments ago; he said that they just want to keep debating the issue until the Liberals cave to their demands. He just said what we have been accusing the Conservatives of all along: filibustering their own motion.

It is not about doing anything that is actually in the interest of Canadians. It is not about sending the issue to committee to be studied, which is what the motion is actually about. It is just about Conservatives' trying to fill up the airtime to prevent anything else in the House from happening. After three weeks, it had to happen eventually; one of them was eventually going to slip and reveal the reason they are doing this.

I would encourage people, folks watching this at home or people who want to review Hansard, to go back and look at what the member for Calgary Rocky Ridge said. He admitted that the Conservatives do not want the issue to go to committee; all they want is for the government to concede or for the government to deliver on what they are asking for. However, that is not what the motion is about. The motion on the question of privilege is about sending the issue to committee so the committee can do its work and send it back to the House so the House can vote on it again.

The member for Calgary Rocky Ridge knows that. Every single Conservative here knows that. Instead, what they are doing is intentionally trying to filibuster this place. They are doing all of it at the expense of getting actual work done for Canadians.

I do not have a lot to say on this. I have quite enjoyed watching Conservative after Conservative get up and ramble on in speeches that are written by somebody probably in a basement room around here somewhere. Some of them, I recognize, have probably not even read the speech once before they read it here. We can tell by the way it is written that they are all written by the exact same person.

I want to let them continue doing that, but I do just want to take the opportunity to thank the member for Calgary Rocky Ridge for finally admitting to the House what the Conservatives are doing and how they are purposely trying to filibuster and delay this place so we cannot do work on behalf of Canadians. He was honest about it. He said it in his question. I know that he is going to want to try to ask me a question when it is time, but the reality is that there is nothing he can say that is going to reverse what he already admitted, which is what their tactic on this whole thing has been.