House of Commons Hansard #358 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:55 p.m.

Bloc

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Madam Speaker, I particularly appreciate the member for Durham's contribution to this debate that leads us to reflect on the recommendations. I will direct him to the ones pertaining to the Auditor General of Canada. Just like an independent public inquiry, it is a means to ask independent people to change things.

Recommendation 3 proposes that “the House of Commons ask the Office of the Auditor General [to conduct] a comprehensive audit of the programs of Canadian Heritage pertaining to sports”. There is also recommendation 7, which suggests that “the Office of the Auditor General of Canada conduct a special audit of Sport Canada’s 2019 directive, which requires national sports organizations to integrate for-profit private firms as independent third parties in the complaint processes involving athletes and their sports organizations, and the audit should consider [various elements]”, including everything to do with complaints and individuals.

Could the Office of the Auditor General of Canada take the mandate to shed light on what is happening in sports organizations and on the funding that Canadians invest in sport?

I would like to know what my colleague thinks.

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jamil Jivani Conservative Durham, ON

Madam Speaker, I appreciate that the report has many recommendations in it, and some of them deserve some consideration. However, I am here to focus very clearly on what the Liberal government could be doing right now, right this moment. That is why my comments today focused on the OSIC.

The recommendations concerning the Office of the Sport Integrity Commissioner are things the Liberal government should have already done and could do now. As a Liberal member acknowledged, one of the recommendations has been acted on, but many more could be done. I would like us to focus on what could be done immediately, actions the Liberal government could take now, because as we have heard numerous times, which I think is something shared by all parties, we have very serious problems in the world of sports and time is of the essence.

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague from Durham. Earlier in the debate, we heard from one of his Conservative colleagues that in his view, due to the egregious behaviour and performance at Sport Canada, the organization should be entirely disbanded. I wonder if the member shares that view.

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1 p.m.

Conservative

Jamil Jivani Conservative Durham, ON

Madam Speaker, what I would like to see is the Office of the Sport Integrity Commissioner strengthened. That is my focus today. I am not here to talk about any other parallel debates that may be happening in the House. I am narrowly focused on wanting to see real changes. Those changes would involve making sure there is impartiality and timeliness in the commissioner's investigations, that the commissioner works with the provincial and territorial governments so that provincial and university teams are aware of issues that occur at the national level, and that the Universal Code of Conduct to Prevent and Address Maltreatment in Sport is prioritized and held up.

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1 p.m.

Conservative

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

Madam Speaker, I have been involved in sports for some 45 years. I have enjoyed it and seen a lot, but how dare the Liberals suggest that we should keep funding an organization that contributes to a culture of abuse in sports?

Here is part of the issue I have. In the spring of 2018, the then sports minister proposed, and in fact held a news conference, that the government was going to roll out a new safe sport agenda for Canada. Good for the minister. However, within probably two weeks, one of the biggest sex assault scandals in sport in this country took place in hockey. Sport Canada, which was in charge, failed to even follow up with Hockey Canada.

We heard nothing from Sport Canada, which should have suspended funding immediately. That is its mandate, and it was not following through on its mandate. It stayed silent and did nothing until May 2022. Why? It is because a prominent sports reporter broke the story about the sexual assault allegations from the Hockey Canada gala in London, Ontario, which had actually taken place four years earlier.

Only when Sport Canada was embarrassed by its lack of due diligence, I believe, did it even begin to take half-hearted measures to manage the crisis. At the time, Sport Canada funded hockey. Canada did absolutely nothing. The government proved its incompetence and its unwillingness, I believe, to support safe sport in this country.

Then we found out that Hockey Canada paid out, from a slush fund, $3.5 million as a settlement to a woman known as E.M. We found out in testimony from Hockey Canada that it had an equity fund. It was actually set up long before, to take money from hockey membership registrations paid by parents, just to cover uninsured liabilities that included sexual abuse claims. Again, where was Sport Canada?

This is the issue I have. Understandably, minor hockey parents in this country were livid about the allegations of Hockey Canada's taking registration money and putting it into the fund. It paid out $7.9 million for nine claims out of the national equity fund. Of that, $6.8 million was for the settlement related to Graham James in my home province of Saskatchewan when he was head coach of the Swift Current Broncos.

The government set up the Office of the Sport Integrity Commissioner to investigate complaints in a timely and impartial fashion. However, we have received numerous anonymous calls to my office here in Ottawa from individuals, parents and athletes who are concerned that the rules are not being complied with in a timely manner by OSIC. That is right; my office is receiving anonymous calls because people are very concerned about the repercussions of even speaking out about abuse.

Sport Canada was told it must hold national sports organizations, all 62 of them, accountable. However, it is silent. We know from the Hockey Canada debacle in 2018 that it failed to do this. Sport Canada is not fulfilling its mandate.

We also heard from a number of members of the Canadian women's soccer team on their concerns about pay equity. It has affected their training and preparation for World Cup matches. Again there has been nothing from Sport Canada.

The funds must be fully accounted for and transparency must be disclosed, which it has not been. Since only national sports organizations are captured by the Office of the Sport Integrity Commission, OSIC, it is now essentially doing the job that Sport Canada was asked to do for many decades. That is the issue I brought up earlier: Sport Canada is not fulfilling its mandate. OSIC is another level of bureaucracy by the Liberal federal government, which has spent millions of dollars to set up safe sport in Canada, to the embarrassment of Sport Canada.

We would think in this country that is where we should start the conversation about safe sport. How does anyone know ,when they drop off their children at soccer, ringette or hockey, that they are safe? It is provincial jurisdiction, and all the sport organizations do is ask for a police check of the coaches and volunteers. We know that every organization in this country is grappling with the lack of volunteers. Many organizations will take anybody from the sidelines; they simply invite them onto the field or the ice.

The disappointment is that the heritage minister knew of the 39 recommendations, still funded Hockey Canada and funded only six recommendations.

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point order. Earlier today, the member for Milton, the Prime Minister's most ardent defender, accused me of lying during the debate on safe sport. I am asking for unanimous consent to table the evidence that will show he threatened a witness during the Standing Committee on the Status of Women's investigation into abuse in sports and had to apologize for doing so. He said that he was writing to say he was sorry he had let his emotions surrounding the safe sport—

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

No.

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1:05 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

There is no consent.

It is my duty to interrupt the proceedings at this time and put forthwith the question on the motion now before the House.

The question is on the motion.

If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1:05 p.m.

Bloc

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Madam Speaker, I request a recorded division.

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1:05 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the division stands deferred until later this day at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Canada Disability BenefitPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:05 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Madam Speaker, I am very pleased to rise today to table e-petition 5035. Nearly 1,000 Canadians have signed the petition, demanding action on the Canada disability benefit.

The petitioners say that people with disabilities often face barriers to employment along with higher costs associated with health care and housing and that the proposed Canada disability benefit restricts eligibility to individuals receiving the disability tax credit known for its many barriers. There is a risk to life due to insufficient supports on current disability programs federally and provincially. They say that Canadians living with disabilities on provincial and federal disability benefits are struggling immensely with benefits significantly below the poverty line, with the cost of living crisis and with the ever-increasing amount of homelessness.

According to petitioners, the proposed Canada disability benefit outlined in budget 2024 is not what the disability community called for, falling short of the government's promises and the disability community's needs. They say that the proposed maximum amount of $200 per month is insufficient to alleviate poverty levels.

Petitioners are calling for action on the implementation of the fast track of a private member's bill, Bill C-403 from the member for Victoria and to allow Canadians who qualify for a provincial disability benefit or program or CPP disability to automatically qualify for the disability tax credit and the Canada disability benefit, in addition to several other measures which they urge the government to act on.

Public SafetyPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Madam Speaker, it is always a pleasure to present a petition on behalf of constituents.

I rise for the 53rd time on behalf of the people of Swan River, Manitoba, to present a petition on the rising rate of crime. The community of Swan River is struggling with the rising rate of crime in its area. Statistics Canada reports that after nine years of the Liberal government, violent crime has risen 50% and gang-related homicides have nearly doubled. Within the last five years, Swan River's crime severity index has increased by over 50%.

The people of Swan River see the devastating effects this crime has had on their community, their safety and economic stability. The people of Swan River are calling for jail, not bail for violent repeat offenders. The people of Swan River demand that the Liberal government repeal its soft-on-crime policies that directly threaten their livelihoods and their community. I support the good people of Swan River.

GazaPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:10 p.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Madam Speaker, I rise today to present a petition on behalf of concerned citizens across Canada, including hundreds of thousands who take the streets and those who are protesting on campuses regarding the ongoing Israeli crimes against humanity, collective punishment and forced starvation that constitute genocide in Gaza.

The petitioners draw attention to the severe loss of life, the catastrophic hunger and the widespread destruction affecting the people of Gaza, especially the children. They express grave concern over the reported obstruction of humanitarian aid and the resulting human suffering and starvation.

The petitioners call on the Government of Canada to take immediate and decisive action by advocating for a permanent ceasefire, ensuring the safe and unhindered delivery of humanitarian aid and supporting the critical work of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency. They further urge the government to establish an international humanitarian corridor to protect aid deliveries and civilians in Gaza.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

1:10 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, I would request that all questions be allowed to stand at this time, please.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

1:10 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

Is that agreed?

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

1:10 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The House resumed from October 23 consideration of the motion, of the amendment and of the amendment to the amendment.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, as always, it is an honour to stand here representing the good people of Battle River—Crowfoot and talk about issues that are so important to them, especially when it comes to the appropriate use of tax dollars, which is at the crux of what the House has been seized with for, I believe, 14 days.

As I referenced yesterday, just prior to the House adjourning for the day, it is not just about some documents or a stack of paper. Rather, the privilege debate taking place in the House is about the fundamental basis of our democratic system: the ability of Parliament and those elected by the people of this country to fulfill their constitutional duty in ensuring that, in this case, there is accountability. Ultimately, it is about ensuring that this place, the people's House of Commons, is, remains and continues to be the supreme law-making authority of the land, and that Parliament has what is often referred to by the technical term “unfettered access” to any document in the country. That includes documents in relation to government spending.

Now, the government has kind of flip-flopped. Each day the Liberals seem to have a different tack on how they want to attack Conservatives for simply asking for accountability. What is very interesting is this whole debate could be avoided. It is quite simple. It could easily be avoided by the government simply releasing the documents. This debate could come to a close if the government was willing to take the step of being transparent.

Thus far, the government is unwilling to do so. Does that mean there is incriminating information in the documents? Well, it could. We do not know because we do not have the documents. Could that mean criminality would be exposed in those documents? Well, it could, but we do not know. It certainly raises the question.

I have heard from so many Canadians, and not just constituents. What is interesting is, as this debate has raged on, I have increasingly heard from folks from across the country, including some who live in Liberal ridings. At least, they are Liberal ridings today; we are not sure that will be the case after the next election. They are asking why the government would waste so much energy in a cover-up. The Liberals claim they have nothing to hide. If that is in fact the case, and this is what people are sharing with me, then they should be more forthcoming.

I would invite members of the governing party, Liberal backbenchers who have the constitutional obligation to represent the people who sent them here, to end the cover-up and release the documents. It is truly simple and straightforward, yet the Liberals refuse at every turn.

What is distressing to so many Canadians is that over the last nine years, there has been an erosion of trust in the very foundation of our democratic infrastructure in this country. We have seen it time and time again. I talked yesterday about the normalization of constitutional crises, and how one would outline, nine years ago, what the Liberal government would perpetuate in terms of normalcy in how they treat the institutions of Parliament and of government, and how they would treat Canadians.

The fact is that the Liberals, under the modern Emergencies Act, are the first government since the Prime Minister's father invoked it in the 1970s to suspend charter rights. Can members believe the current Prime Minister suspended the charter rights of Canadians? It is astounding that the Liberal government, with such disregard, is so quick to trample on the rights and freedoms of Canadians. Time and time again, we saw it.

I mentioned briefly yesterday, as my time was coming to a close before the House adjourned, that it was the current government that dismissed 800 years of parliamentary tradition by asking for unfettered taxation and spending authority. It wanted to bypass this place. It wanted to bypass democracy.

It is unbelievable, and it has certainly contributed to this culture of corruption the Liberals preside over. It is essential that we right the ship. The good news is that it is possible, because we have seen difficult times in this country before.

I have heard stories, although I was not born yet when the Prime Minister's father was leading this country, that it was a disastrous time for the west. There were national unity crises, constitutional crises. Flipping the bird to the west is what the Prime Minister's father was doing, and certainly that seems to be the Prime Minister's attitude toward the west as well. There was the national energy program stealing the wealth that could have benefited our country, but instead he targeted his own political self-interest above the national good. We have seen difficult times before, and we have seen the ability and the resilience of Canadians showcased in the innovation, ingenuity and potential that exists in this country. I believe we will see that unleashing of potential again.

However, we have to get back to the point that the House of Commons is in order and can do its job. The foundational element of that is that the government needs to understand it is Parliament that makes the rules. It is Parliament that can call for documents. Ultimately, for the Prime Minister, the government and the members of the governing party, it is Parliament that is the final law-making authority of the land.

My hope is that we can see, through the mechanisms that exist in this place, a level of accountability take place today, in the 44th Parliament, to ensure the government does the right thing and releases the documents. I must be honest; I have my doubts. I saw how the Prime Minister prorogued Parliament when the WE Charity scandal was under way in the midst of COVID. After saying he would not for so many years, he prorogued Parliament the day the documents were sent to the clerk of a committee.

For Canadians watching, proroguing Parliament puts a stop to committee activities. The Prime Minister prorogued Parliament to cover up his family's involvement with an organization that would have gotten hundreds of millions of dollars in sole-source contracts across this country. The lengths to which he goes to cover up the corruption is astounding. So, forgive me when I say I have my doubts that the Liberal government will do the right thing. However, that is where Parliament steps in. Parliament has the ability.

I understand from media reports that there is some dissension in the Liberal ranks. Some MPs are figuring out that it is MPs who are elected to the House of Commons, not governments. It is MPs who make up a party that then forms a government. It is almost hard to believe that I have to explain these basic principles to my colleagues across the way. I am glad, in a sense, that they are waking up and realizing they have the ability to stand up for their constituents. However, I would urge them as well, when it comes to the debate before the House, to take a stand, to allow Parliament to get the documents and the evidence that is required.

An SDTC whistle-blower had this to say:

I think the Auditor General's investigation was more of a cursory review. I don't think the goal and mandate of the Auditor General's office is to actually look into criminality, so I'm not surprised by the fact that they haven't found anything criminal. They're not looking at intent. If their investigation was focused on intent, of course they would find the criminality.

That was from a whistle-blower who put their career on the line to tell the story of what the Liberals have been up to.

As my speech comes to a close, this is a plea to all members in this place, but in particular, to members of the Liberal Party. It is an honour and a privilege to be able to stand and represent the people we do, but along with that comes great responsibility.

As for the fact that we have a Prime Minister and members of the government who are so quick to dismiss the need for integrity and accountability in the structures of governing our country, I would urge them all, and this is a plea, to stand up for what is right, stand up for accountability, and stand up and demand that these documents be released. If there is nothing to hide, then we will see that.

Madam Speaker, forgive me for suggesting that if someone has nothing to hide, they do not go to the extremes to hide that the government has been doing. The question before the House and before so many Canadians is simple. The government must release the documents so the investigation can be done, to take that small step to bring integrity and accountability back to the institutions that are so dear and so important and that, I would hope, we all love so much.

I had the honour of celebrating with a number of others from the class of 2019. I would like to thank, once again, the people of Battle River—Crowfoot for the honour and the opportunity to serve them, now for five years, in Canada's Parliament.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

1:25 p.m.

Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Madam Speaker, I would like to invite Canadians to be woke, woke to the disingenuous narrative being put forward by the Conservative Party. The RCMP says it has the documents it needs. The RCMP has the ability to ask for further documents directly and not have them be spoon-fed through Parliament. The Speaker has said the proper transit of the documents being requested would be to a standing committee. It is my understanding that this is precisely what the government is prepared to do.

With all that, why are the Conservatives burning up three weeks, now, of parliamentary time on a proposition that is totally improper?

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1:25 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, here we go again. We have a member of the Liberal Party who is somehow suggesting Parliament should not be doing its job. Here are the facts. At any point in time, a majority of the House could in fact shut down this debate, but it has not, because there is, I think, an agreement among a majority of members that the release of these documents is that important to this institution and its ability to function properly.

I was flipping through and could not find the letter right in front of me, but the RCMP itself says it has some of the documents but it does not have all of them.

The fact that the government is unwilling to be transparent and forthright with that information, I would suggest, speaks to a culture of corruption, and it looks like there is a cover-up before us.

Conservatives are not saying we want to conduct the investigation. We simply want to ensure the RCMP has everything it needs to conduct its investigation. It seems to me this is just common sense. What are the Liberals hiding?

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1:25 p.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Madam Speaker, I have had the privilege of serving with the hon. member. Despite our political differences, I think there are areas of common ground, particularly around process, procedure and integrity. In his opening remarks, he said the House has been seized with this issue. Let us talk about that for a moment.

The question I want to put to the hon. member is this: Who is seizing the House? He talks about what the Conservatives put forward. They put forward a motion to go to PROC. We will have to go back to the Hansard to see how many times we have had to explain it to them.

I know him to be an honourable man. Will the hon. member please rise, come clean with Canadians and let them know that, indeed, it is the Conservatives who are permanently causing the House to be seized on this issue, by filibustering their own motion?

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1:25 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, I have enjoyed working with that member, despite our political differences. What I find very interesting is that at any point in time, the government could put an end to this debate, with the support of one of the opposition parties, and it will not be the Conservatives, as we have made very clear. It could invoke closure on the debate. Thus far, that has not happened. It is, I believe, such an important issue that we need to continue to bring it to light and give the Liberals the opportunity to simply do the right thing: release the documents.

When it comes to those who are engaging in debate on the subject, it is certainly not only Conservatives. Members of every political party are asking questions, providing commentary and even, in some cases, giving speeches. It is incorrect to suggest it is only Conservatives who are holding this up. I enjoyed the opportunity this morning to have a very important discussion on safe sport, in addition to the debate here before us, so it is not like we are not also talking about other important issues facing Canadians.

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1:25 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Madam Speaker, I would like my colleague to explain, for the people watching today, how our leader would be gagged if he did go through the security check.

Can you please explain that the only person in Parliament who can expose those names is the Prime Minister? Can you let the people of Canada know that?

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

1:25 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I remind the hon. member that she is to address questions and comments through the Chair and not directly to the members.

The hon. member for Battle River—Crowfoot.

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1:25 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, it is interesting; members of the Liberal Party have taken great pains to politicize something that the Prime Minister initially said he did not want to politicize. That was the issue surrounding foreign interference, secrecy and getting top secret security clearance. At the Hogue inquiry, the Prime Minister even admitted to getting too political. I believe that was how he referred to it when he took the stand.

My colleague from King—Vaughan made a very interesting point. The Prime Minister does not actually have security clearance. It is interesting because many Liberals may not realize that. He is given access to top secret information because he is the leader of government. That is a constitutional tradition that our Parliament holds.

When it comes to the gag order, there are many different mechanisms; yesterday, my colleague, the member for Wellington—Halton Hills, expanded very specifically on what some of those measures are. If the Prime Minister were truly earnest about wanting to do what is best for Canadians, he would release the names. There are a number of mechanisms by which he could do so, but he refuses. He would rather play politics. He is playing with the security of Canadians and the interference of elections. That is shameful, and it puts our democracy at risk.