House of Commons Hansard #358 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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1:30 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Surrey—Newton, BC

Madam Speaker, foreign agents assassinated my constituent, Mr. Nijjar. That falls in my constituency, but that is not what I am hearing on the ground. What I am hearing is that the leader of the Conservative Party is not accountable to Canadians, because he will not get a security clearance to look at the way the Indian government intervened in our sovereignty and assassinated my constituent. In fact, the leader is standing with India. He very well would have been able to find out who the six Conservatives are that we have been talking about. He does not want to find out who those members are, which is why he is not getting a security clearance.

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1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, the Prime Minister of this country could release the names so that Canadians could know and make that decision for themselves. Instead of doing what is in the best interests of national security and democracy, the Prime Minister has decided that he will prioritize his own political self-interest.

I would say specifically to the member, who highlighted a significant issue, that I am curious about what his constituents think of the parliamentary secretary denying the unanimous consent motion that was put forward on Monday. It was about the standing up of a special committee to investigate the very issue that he claims is so important. It was not a Conservative who denied that, a member of the Bloc or a member of the NDP. It was not an independent member. It was the parliamentary secretary, I believe, to the Prime Minister or to the House leader. Members will have to forgive me; I do not recall. He is up so often that it is easy to forget.

The fact is that a senior Liberal in his own party denied a unanimous consent motion to stand up a committee that would have gotten the answers he just communicated are so important. Has the member heard that from constituents?

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1:30 p.m.

Liberal

Leah Taylor Roy Liberal Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

Madam Speaker, I find it really interesting that the member opposite is talking about putting up another committee to look at an issue. There is a suggestion that the papers he wants to have examined can go to a committee, that we can move forward on this issue by actually following the suggestions of a committee already in place, as was suggested by the Speaker. He seems to be suggesting quite freely that people's information, including their names and the allegations against them, as well as any personal information that might be in those business documents, could be released to whomever asks for them.

While I realize this is our right and our privilege, we need to exercise that right with some discretion. I would maintain that our Charter of Rights and Freedoms actually supersedes our right to do whatever we want in the House.

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1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, I would encourage the member to look very carefully at the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, as well as at some of the hard-fought and hard-won histories of the constitutional set-up of the Westminster system of governance. She does not like my referencing the history that has gotten us to the point where we are today. I would suggest—

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

Hon. members have had an opportunity to ask a question; they need to listen to the answer, whether they like it or not. If they have other things to contribute, they should wait until the appropriate time.

The hon. member for Battle River—Crowfoot.

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1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, what it comes down to is that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is absolutely meant to protect Canadians from government, not to protect the government from revelations of its corruption. If the Liberals are so concerned about privacy and whatnot, the solution is very simple: They can release the documents so that the RCMP can do the work that it has been called to do.

What are they working so hard to cover up? It is so simple; why are they complicating the issue?

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1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Don Stewart Conservative Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Madam Speaker, it is always a pleasure and a privilege to rise in this place to promote and defend democracy, as well as to demand transparency and accountability from the government.

Before I begin, as a new member, I would like to thank the members of my team in Toronto and in Ottawa, who have helped me get up the learning curve to serve the great people of Toronto—St. Paul's: Chelsea, Ryanne, Jessie, Karen and Brooke. I thank them very much for their efforts. I have been stopped in the streets by strangers in St. Paul's who have thanked me for their good work and the work they do for other constituents.

We are on the 14th day of a debate that did not need to happen. It would not have happened if we had a government that was interested in accountability and transparency. Alas, here we are.

If the government would hand over the documentation that has been asked for and allow the RCMP to do its job, Parliament could move on. However, that is not the case.

I may be new in this place, and I may have a babyish face, but I was not born yesterday. The government's excuses for not providing the unredacted documents have changed several times since Parliament began asking for them; that makes me question the authenticity of the excuses. The government members said they were protecting charter rights; they then said the RCMP did not want the documents. It feels as though the government keeps flip-flopping to keep the documents hidden.

I have a particular interest in the government green slush fund scandal; we all do. It has already been established by the Auditor General that there was something awry with this fund, but we have all already heard a lot about that. I will talk more about that later.

One reason the green slush fun is interesting to me is that I used to work in the environmental field. Yes, that is true. In fact, I have a degree in civil and environmental engineering from Queen's.

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An hon. member

That will make you popular in your caucus.

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Conservative

Don Stewart Conservative Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

This is a big tent party, and—

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I ask members who have anything to contribute to wait; they will have lots of opportunities. I would also hope that the hon. member does not interact with others who are trying to make comments.

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I still have members who are, for some reason, trying to have conversations. The hon. member for Foothills may want to step out and have a conversation with the other member so that they are not interfering in the business of the House.

The hon. member for Toronto—St. Paul's.

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1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Don Stewart Conservative Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Madam Speaker, I was about to say that, when I worked in that field after graduation, I was involved in environmental waste containment projects. They were exciting projects, such as building sewage lagoons, mine tailings dams, solid waste containment and even waste water retention ponds. It was magical. Maybe that is not exciting to most, but it certainly was to our customers; the engineers, who are a difficult to excite crowd; and others who benefited. Yes, it is true: We all want clean water and clean air to breathe.

We were selling real products; they were being sold and installed by real people in real environmental projects. Materials were manufactured in Canada and sold throughout this country and in the United States. That means GDP for Canada, exports and productivity. These products were considered new technology at the time; therefore, while early adopters were happy to embrace them and realized their environmental and economic benefits, others were not so sure.

As such, we went to the government for help, but this was not a green slush fund; we had no contacts to get easy money. We did not have a slate of directors who were investors, who had contacts or who were sitting on the SDTC slush fund board. We applied to the government for research dollars and had testing carried out at our universities to prove the products. We conducted strength testing at the University of Western Ontario, as it was called then, and later at Queen's.

Why do I tell that story? How could my career possibly be germane to the House? It is because, as we heard earlier, 82% of the projects that were sampled by the Auditor General were conflicted. If we apply that rate of malfeasance over the universe of projects, we come to a staggering $832 million of questionable funding. If we add the opportunity cost back to that $832 million, we are very close to $1 billion of taxpayer money funnelled to sketchy destinations.

However, there is more: $58 million was spent on 10 ineligible projects in the sample. That scales up to $104 million if we factor up to the full size of the universe of projects in question. How many projects like the one I described above, that I was involved in and that was undertaken by the small business I worked for, were displaced because of the highly questionable awarding of funds by the board of the green slush fund? Certainly, because the money was misallocated to ineligible projects, good ones did not get funding. Some of these potential projects may well have been home runs.

That is forgone GDP, jobs and tax revenue. Does this not suggest to everyone in this place that oversight of this fund was weak at best and potentially criminal at worst? Does this not make one think that we may need a change in the management of the government's spending writ large? I see some heads nodding. We may need some people with real financial expertise in charge of the books. This is green technology science. This is not rocket science.

Getting to the bottom of this scandal may not be easy, but it is a journey worth taking. This is not $400 million that we are talking about. That is the number that has been confirmed. It only represents 226 projects of the 405 that were funded. As I stated earlier, this is $832 million plus opportunity cost, so we are very close to a billion-dollar scandal. One billion dollars could buy a lot of Girl Guide cookies.

One thing that is concerning for Canadians is the level of corruption in the board and the Governor in Council appointment to the sustainable development technology fund, otherwise known as SDTC. People at home are calling it the green technology slush fund.

Another thing is the federal government's refusal to produce key documents on this matter, which is stifling public scrutiny and raising red flags about accountability. When government actions, particularly those concerning the use of public funds, come under scrutiny, it is the right of every Canadian to demand clear answers, but we are not getting clear answers from the government, which leaves one to ask what it is hiding.

Who are the Liberals protecting? They are protecting their friends and associates who benefited. The fact that we are still discussing this and asking for a disclosure that was demanded by Parliament is bewildering to this rookie MP. Maybe I should not be surprised. When I consider the long list of Liberal scandals, there are almost too many to count, but I will name some here for good measure.

We will start with the SNC-Lavalin affair. This political scandal involved an attempt at political interference in the judicial system by the Prime Minister of Canada and the Prime Minister's Office. Ultimately, the company changed its name, partly to distance itself from its tarnished brand.

In no particular order, next we have the ArriveCAN affair, affectionately known as “arrive scam”. In this one, the federal government spent over $50 million on an original contract of $80,000. It spent $54 million. I am not making this up. A group of programmers created that app over a weekend, so this one is out of control. The GDP is under attack. Ten thousand people were erroneously forced to isolate. I may have been one of those because officials made me isolate for longer than I needed to.

There is the Aga Khan scandal. The Prime Minister was found to have broken no fewer than four provisions of the Conflict of Interest Act when he vacationed over Christmas on the posh private island in the Caribbean owned by his good friend the Aga Khan. The Prime Minister was the first prime minister in Canadian history to break federal ethics rules.

Next, we have the WE Charity scandal. This one in particular I did not like because my daughter actually participated in raising money for WE Charity. My daughter Charlotte raised over $10,000 to build a school in Africa by carrying water through the streets of Toronto—St. Paul's and generating donations by doing just that, so this one hurt. However, the Prime Minister granted his friends at WE Charity a project to oversee a $1-billion program for student employment grants. Do we not have government employees who do the same thing?

There are two common elements we can quickly identify through this partial list of government scandals. Members can identify their own, and these are the two that I have picked. If members have a few in mind, I invite them to keep them quiet and see if they match up with mine. The first one is friends in high places in the Liberal government awarding their Liberal friends at the expense of taxpayers. The second is a complete lack of ethical behaviour.

What we do not see is transparency. Transparency and accountability are the cornerstones of any functioning democracy. They are the twin principles that ensure those in power act in the best interests of the public rather than serving their own narrow political or personal agendas. The concept of transparency is not just theoretical. It is embedded in laws and regulations that compel governments to disclose information, especially when there are questions about the misuse of public funds.

Parliament has this power. Parliament has asked for the documentation. Therefore, the documentation must be produced. The government's accountability to its people is not optional. This is a fundamental responsibility.

A 2024 CanTrust index poll revealed that less than 25% of Canadians trust the Liberal Prime Minister and the government. Is that a surprise to anyone? That number might be high since this poll was conducted back in February, but it makes sense. When the government refuses to release key documents, especially in response to serious allegations, it erodes public trust. It undermines the very fabric of our democracy. Without transparency, how can citizens know that their government is acting in good faith?

Let us look at this from another angle, and I promise again that I am not making this up. I will give a bit of a timeline of how we got here. In 2018, the then Liberal industry minister decided he did not like the chair of SDTC, which was Mr. Jim Balsillie, because he was criticizing the government. The chair of SDTC was asked to stop his criticism, and he did not.

In 2019, the then Liberal industry minister decided to appoint a new chair, but this one already had conflicts of interest. He did this even though the Prime Minister's Office and the Privy Council Office were warned of risks associated with appointing a conflicted chair. The new chair had ownership positions in companies receiving green slush fund SDTC funding.

The funding floodgates opened. Conflicts of interest were managed rather than outlawed. SDTC members began to award funds to companies where other board members held ownership. The following example is the one I love the most. If someone does something so audacious, maybe no one will suspect a thing. I think that is called hiding in plain sight. The founder and beneficial owner of Cycle Capital, Andrée-Lise Méthot, voted for Cycle Capital investments to receive a significant amount of green slush fund funding while she sat on the board of the Liberal green slush fund.

In fact, before and during her time on the green slush fund board, Ms. Méthot's companies received $250 million. Cycle Capital's lobbyist, before he came to the House, was none other than the radical Minister of Environment. One might ask, “So what?” In the year before he joined the Liberal government, he lobbied 25 times, and the green slush fund board gave over $100 million to the Cycle Capital companies. Then, when he was part of the government, he participated in talks that gave SDTC another $750 million to deploy, of which 25% went to Cycle Capital. We do not know, but he may or may not still own shares in Cycle Capital. It is a really good trade where I come from.

I spoke earlier about my career as an environmental engineer, but I actually spent most of my career in finance. That is another reason the misappropriation of funds in this green slush fund scandal speaks to me. When I was in the financial and investment industry, fund managers were generally paid dependent upon how their funds performed. The better someone's fund did, the more they would get paid. The better their fund did, the more assets they would attract, and again, the more they would expect to be paid, all else being equal.

What I find peculiar about this fund and the way it paid its principals is that they were paid based on the dollar volume of grants they made. I swear I am not making that up. The more money that was allocated, the more that was spent, whether it went to a good project, a bad one, a medium one or some other, the more money that was paid to those individuals. Rather than scouring the country for the best projects, the easiest thing to do, the path of least resistance, was to allocate funds to projects that were already known to the board, regardless of the expected return to the taxpayer. We call that a fiduciary duty.

For a government that loves to virtue signal about its care and vision for the environment, its behaviour when it comes to deploying funds is contradictory, as I just detailed. The government says one thing and does another. This matters, and here is why: Instead of investing taxpayer dollars in the most promising projects and companies, the Liberals appointed a chair, and her board funnelled taxpayer dollars to projects and companies that were run by their friends or into companies where they had a financial interest. This is the kind of situation we are taught to avoid in a business education. This is why we have ethics classes in business and financial education. Perhaps the financial leaders on the other side of the House missed those classes.

The misallocation of money and capital leads to the destruction of capital in this country. This leads to a loss of Canadian competitiveness, a reduction in productivity and a decline in GDP. We are seeing all these economic measures play out now in our economy, and we are worse off as a country for it. The green slush fund is not responsible for all of that, but the green slush fund and its grant allocation principles are emblematic of the attitudes and principles of the Liberal government over the last nine years. Good money put toward programs with admirable goals is great, but lacking in the financial know-how and financial management expertise to succeed is a waste of taxpayer money.

The reduction of our productivity and competitiveness in GDP is not an accident. This is the result of an overall mismanagement of the economy by the Liberal Prime Minister and the Liberal cabinet. At the heart of this issue is public trust. Canadians trust their government to act in their best interest, to steward public funds responsibly and be forthright about how decisions are made. When this trust is broken, it is incredibly difficult to rebuild, except perhaps with a new government. The refusal to release the green slush fund documents erodes this trust. It sends a message to the public that the government is not interested in being transparent and that accountability is a secondary concern.

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1:55 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Speaker, I enjoyed that insightful speech by the member for Toronto—St. Paul's. Given his extensive business career, and his knowledge and study of this subject, I know he would be aware that the chair of the green slush fund, Annette Verschuren, said, when asked about all the money that went to their own companies, that this is what entrepreneurs do.

Does the member believe these nine directors named as having conflicts of interest by the Auditor General 186 times represent 82% of the green technology space? Was that a coincidence? Do they represent it, or did they get an oversized chunk of that money because of their insider status?

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1:55 p.m.

Conservative

Don Stewart Conservative Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Madam Speaker, the 186 companies would not represent 82% of the green technology space in Canada. We have a very large green technology space in this country, from coast to coast to coast, and it would be much more than 186. They did receive an oversized funding amount when 82% of that fund went to those 186 companies.

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1:55 p.m.

Liberal

Leah Taylor Roy Liberal Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

Madam Speaker, the member opposite, and many members opposite, have continually referred to the chair and board of SDTC as Liberal insiders. I am just wondering if the member opposite knows anything about Annette Verschuren. She was the past chair of the board, and she was an adviser to Harper, Flaherty and others in the Conservative Party, as well as a major donor to the Conservative Party.

If that is not a friend to the Conservatives, then I am wondering who the member considers to be a friend to the Conservatives.

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1:55 p.m.

Conservative

Don Stewart Conservative Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Madam Speaker, the fact of the matter is that the malfeasance in this fund started well after the Conservative Party left power. Whether the chair was friendly or not at that time to the Harper government is immaterial.

What matters here is that there was money misappropriated and money misallocated, and it did not go to the strongest projects out there. Now we are trying to get to the bottom of it, but we are being stymied. Parliament is being stymied. We are being stymied as a group, as an institution, from getting to the bottom of this through the prevention of the release of this documentation.

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1:55 p.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, this is the same question I have asked every Conservative in the House: Who stymies? Who are the ones behind the stymie? Who are the stymiers-in-chief in this entire circus show that is this filibuster on a motion that they put forward and yet refuse to put forward?

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1:55 p.m.

Conservative

Don Stewart Conservative Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Mr. Speaker, it is an important question, because here we are in Parliament asking for documentation, which is our privilege, that is not being produced. This could be over, as I said before, in 35 seconds by producing the documentation. All we need to happen here is for the will of Parliament to be honoured.

World Polio DayStatements by Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

Mr. Speaker, today is World Polio Day. Today, we renew our collective resolve for a world where no child suffers from this paralyzing and deadly disease.

Through efforts of organizations like Rotary International, we have successfully reduced polio cases by 99% since 1979, with three billion children vaccinated.

To guarantee that we meet the objective of completely eradicating polio, Canada has pledged an additional $151 million to the Global Polio Eradication Initiative.

Let us honour the tireless efforts of the health workers and the 20 million volunteers who have journeyed to the most remote corners of the world, in 200 countries, delivering not just vaccines, but hope. Let the end of polio be not only a goal, but a legacy.

World Polio DayStatements by Members

2 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Wetaskiwin, AB

Mr. Speaker, today is World Polio Day, a day to highlight global efforts to end polio.

In 1996, Nelson Mandela said, “our aim is not merely to reduce the numbers afflicted—it is to eliminate the disease completely. No country can be safe from this disease until the whole world is rid of it.”

Today, we are so close to that goal, with Canada consistently playing a leading role. Three Canadian prime ministers, including former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper, have been recipients of the Rotary Foundation's Polio Eradication Champion Award.

Canadian Jennifer Jones, who recently served as Rotary International's first female president, relentlessly continued Canada's leadership in this fight, working with dedicated partners like UNICEF, the Gates Foundation, Global Citizen, RESULTS and many others.

Here in this House, members from all parties have, time and again, united around efforts of the Global Polio Eradication Initiative, and the world is better for it. Now we need to finish the job.

Hats for HopeStatements by Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Mr. Speaker, in 2018, the Brain Tumour Foundation of Canada asked the House of Commons to declare October 24, 2018, as the first Brain Cancer Awareness Day in Canada.

That year also marked the beginning of the Hats for Hope campaign. Canadians were invited to show their support by sharing photos of themselves wearing a hat on social media. Thanks to the Hats for Hope campaign, this date has become a symbol of solidarity in response to this devastating disease. I will wear my hat as I leave the House today in memory of my mother and in support of the 27 people diagnosed with a brain tumour every day in Canada. Will my colleagues wear their hat or hoodie for hope today?

I want to thank the Brain Tumour Foundation of Canada for its tireless efforts to make a difference. I thank all those who will wear their hat today.

Salon des Métiers d'Art de BouchervilleStatements by Members

October 24th, 2024 / 2 p.m.

Bloc

Xavier Barsalou-Duval Bloc Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères, QC

Mr. Speaker, I rise in the House to highlight the 40th edition of the Salon des métiers d'art de Boucherville, an artisan market that will run from November 1 to 3, 2024.

With the exception of a two-year hiatus during the pandemic, this market has been held annually since its inaugural year in 1982. It is successful. Every year, thousands of visitors flock to find unique and original creations for their holiday gifts or for themselves.

This success is due in large part to its wonderful, dedicated and passionate volunteer president, who is celebrating 30 years at the helm. My warmest congratulations to Renée Lavoie. I would also like to take this opportunity to commend the contribution of the committee members who support her in her mission, namely, Céline Lozeau, Suzanne Hindson, Isabell Ross and Nathalie Métivier.

I would like to thank them for promoting the talent of Quebec's artists and artisans, helping them shine and offering them such wonderful visibility.

Extraordinary LabradorianStatements by Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Yvonne Jones Liberal Labrador, NL

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to congratulate an extraordinary Labradorian, William Larkham Jr., for his incredible achievement on season 11 of the reality show Alone, aired on the History channel.

William hails from the tiny outport community of William's Harbour. His determination, resilience and unmatched survival skills were on full display as he spent 84 gruelling days north of the Arctic Circle near Inuvik in the Northwest Territories enduring the harsh environment of the Arctic on the series Alone. He was one of 10 contestants and was the last one standing. His triumph earned him the grand prize of $500,000 U.S., and was a testament to his strength, knowledge of the land and spirit of survival.

William's journey not only brought Labradorians to the edge of their seats, but showcased the deep connection he has with the land and water, and the remarkable skills passed down through generations of culture in the region.

I congratulate William and ask all Labradorians and all parliamentarians to join me in offering him our very best wishes.