House of Commons Hansard #362 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was privacy.

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The EconomyOral Questions

3:15 p.m.

Papineau Québec

Liberal

Justin Trudeau LiberalPrime Minister

Mr. Speaker, if the Conservative leader actually cared about food insecurity, instead of just wanting to politicize and instrumentalize it, he would have supported our national school food program. However, he did not. What he also will not do is take seriously his responsibility as a party leader in the House, as someone who desperately wants to become prime minister, to get the security clearance and therefore the briefings necessary to protect our democracy, our institutions and his team members from the threats of foreign interference. That is absolutely irresponsible.

Democratic InstitutionsOral Questions

3:20 p.m.

Liberal

Tim Louis Liberal Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

Mr. Speaker, yesterday, the public safety committee heard from top national security and law enforcement officials on Indian interference in Canada. Despite the concerning evidence, the Conservative leader refuses to speak directly on this issue, choosing instead to hide behind his MPs.

The government has been clear that all responsible leaders need security clearances so they can make responsible decisions to protect Canadians. Can the Prime Minister explain why the Conservative leader should get his security clearance, get briefed and protect our democracy?

Democratic InstitutionsOral Questions

3:20 p.m.

Papineau Québec

Liberal

Justin Trudeau LiberalPrime Minister

Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for Kitchener—Conestoga for his hard work.

Canadians should not be surprised that the Conservative leader refuses to call out Indian foreign interference. He has refused to get briefed up, to get the security clearance necessary and to get the understanding that our national security agencies want him to have to be better able to protect his own MPs, protect our institutions and protect Canadians.

Let me put it in phrasing that perhaps the Leader of the Opposition will eventually understand: Get the clearance, get the briefings and protect Canadians.

Veterans AffairsOral Questions

3:20 p.m.

NDP

Rachel Blaney NDP North Island—Powell River, BC

Mr. Speaker, Canadians who serve in the military deserve our gratitude and support, but we have learned that for at least 19 years, the Liberal government and the former Conservative government overcharged veterans and their families for long-term care beds. Again, veterans and their families have to fight the government tooth and nail to get what they are due.

Canadians need to know who did what and when. Will the Prime Minister immediately end this long-term care gouging?

Veterans AffairsOral Questions

3:20 p.m.

Papineau Québec

Liberal

Justin Trudeau LiberalPrime Minister

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Veterans Affairs has asked her officials to investigate this matter further.

We are committed to supporting our veterans and have been since day one. That is why we have invested over $11 billion in new services and supports for veterans since 2016, which included reopening the nine veteran service centres that the Harper government shuttered and rehiring the 1,000 staff the Harper government fired. We are continuing to work to improve services, benefits and supports for veterans and their families.

Democratic InstitutionsOral Questions

3:20 p.m.

Independent

Kevin Vuong Independent Spadina—Fort York, ON

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister wants to talk about national security, so let us do it. On New Year's Eve, Canadians will be ushering in the Hogue commission's final report on foreign interference, but meanwhile, the media continues to provide insight as to who the infamous 11 parliamentarians in the pocket of China are.

Does the Prime Minister have trouble sitting at the cabinet table when he must wittingly know that at least one of his ministers is not working in the service of Canada, or is he entirely witless?

Democratic InstitutionsOral Questions

3:20 p.m.

Papineau Québec

Liberal

Justin Trudeau LiberalPrime Minister

Mr. Speaker, that was an absolutely disgraceful display of irreverence and unseriousness in a place that deserves a serious contemplation of issues of national security, but it does not surprise me that he is choosing to sit with the Conservative Party of Canada, because its leader will not even get the necessary clearance to get the necessary briefing to keep Canadians safe. It is irresponsible.

Interparliamentary DelegationsRoutine Proceedings

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), I have the honour to present to the House, in both official languages, the following reports: the report of the Canada-Europe Parliamentary Association respecting its participation in the second part of the 2024 ordinary session of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe in Strasbourg, France, from April 15 to 19; the report of the Canada-Europe Parliamentary Association respecting its participation in the third part of the 2024 ordinary session of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe in Strasbourg, France, from June 24 to 28; and a revised copy of the report of the Canada-Europe Parliamentary Association respecting its participation at the Atlantik-Brücke German-Canadian Conference in Berlin, Germany, from May 12 to 14.

I have two signed copies in French and two signed copies in English of each report for delivery to the table.

Interparliamentary DelegationsRoutine Proceedings

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I want leave, if required, to go back to tabling of documents. We skipped through it relatively quickly.

Interparliamentary DelegationsRoutine Proceedings

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

Is it agreed?

Interparliamentary DelegationsRoutine Proceedings

3:25 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

Interparliamentary DelegationsRoutine Proceedings

3:25 p.m.

An hon. member

No.

Interparliamentary DelegationsRoutine Proceedings

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, for clarity, it was skipped over really quickly because of the voices inside the chamber at the end of question period. I want to table some responses to petitions. That is all.

Interparliamentary DelegationsRoutine Proceedings

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Speaker Liberal Greg Fergus

I will ask again.

Is it agreed?

Interparliamentary DelegationsRoutine Proceedings

October 30th, 2024 / 3:25 p.m.

An hon. member

No.

International TradeCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal Humber River—Black Creek, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the 21st report of the Standing Committee on International Trade, which refers to Canadian supply chains and the issue of forced labour.

Transport, Infrastructure and CommunitiesCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:25 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Schiefke Liberal Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the 19th report of the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, entitled “The Erie Lake Connector: A Project in the Best Interest of the Public?”.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee requests that the government table a comprehensive response to this report.

Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with DisabilitiesCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:25 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Mr. Speaker, I move that the 12th report of the Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities, presented on Thursday, October 26, 2023, be concurred in.

First, I would like to say that I have made the excellent choice to share my time with the member for Port Moody—Coquitlam.

I am pleased to rise in the House to speak to a subject that is affecting millions of Quebeckers and Canadians, and that is the housing crisis. This crisis is raging across the country and having a truly serious impact on a fundamental right, namely the right to decent housing, the right to have a roof over one's head.

Several years ago, my team in Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie and I started an annual tradition of renting a theatre at Cinéma Beaubien, paying for the screening rights to a documentary, and inviting the public to come watch it for free, followed by an opportunity to interact with the artists who produced the film.

This year, about three weeks ago, we screened a very interesting documentary by Diane Bérard and Mathieu Vachon called Le dernier flip: Démarchandiser l'immobilier. It is about the importance of decommodifying real estate, or what is sometimes called the financialization of the housing stock. It was a really important moment. Ms. Bérard and Mr. Vachon were in the room, so we could ask them questions and have a conversation with them. Representatives from the housing committees of Rosemont and La Petite Patrie were also present.

There was a lot of interest, because this issue affects everyone. We sold out two screenings. Nearly 500 people in total came out and took the opportunity offered by my office to talk about the housing crisis and, more importantly, about solutions.

Over the past 20 or 30 years, there has been a significant shift towards speculation. Investment funds and trusts are increasingly involved in the purchase and construction of rental housing, and this speculation drives up prices. This is hurting a lot of people. A number of models and solutions are available. One of them is what Bernie Sanders did in Burlington in the early 1980s. People were happy to learn about this solution.

Bernie Sanders is well known as a socialist United States senator, but before that, he was also the mayor of Burlington. It was during his tenure that the city created what is known as a community land trust. A community land trust is an investment tool. The community land trust and the individual or family wanting to buy a home become co-owners of the investment, so it is a joint investment. The community land trust still owns the land itself, but the person buying the house becomes co-owner of the house. Later on, when the property is sold, the income generated by the sale is shared between the community land trust and the family that was able to benefit from a lower down payment thanks to the trust's support. In the end, the community land trust gets back part of the proceeds of the sale, which it can then use to make another purchase to help another individual, family or student.

This led to some very interesting discussions, because it is a different model that makes it easier to access home ownership. Today, the Champlain Housing Trust owns dozens of houses and apartments in Burlington. This has made it possible to keep the real estate market much more under control and to have prices that truly are much more affordable and accessible for the people living in that community.

There are also other models we have often talked about. For example, housing co-operatives provide access to affordable apartments and rent controls, because they belong to everyone and decisions are made collectively. It makes them affordable for people who are not fabulously rich, who cannot afford a condominium or a house on the “open” market. They have access to co-operative housing, which is pleasant to live in because it comes with a sense of community. Residents have to work together to find solutions and decide how they are going to repair or renovate their homes. These types of living arrangements are often very enjoyable. This is one of what we call the “off-market” solutions, because it is a different approach.

The documentary put forward another idea that we in the NDP champion, and that is to use public lands to create truly affordable housing. When I say “truly affordable”, I want to be very clear. For housing to be affordable, its cost must match what a person is able to pay. That does not mean 80% of the average local market price, which leads to ridiculous situations. Three years ago, a two-bedroom apartment in Montreal renting for $2,235 a month was considered affordable by the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation. Housing that costs over $2,000 a month is not affordable. It is not true that hard-working people earning modest incomes can afford housing at that price.

Using public lands to build truly affordable housing should be a priority. This is a tool that works very well. It is starkly different from the Conservatives' idea, which is to sell public lands to private developers and investment firms that will build housing with the sole intention of turning a profit as fast as possible, regardless of people's ability to pay. That is the worst solution anyone could propose, but that is exactly what the Conservatives are doing, because they have tunnel vision that causes them to see just one model, the capitalist model, the model of maximizing investor profit. That is all they see.

There are so many alternatives, so many community-based solutions. There is the community land trust that I was just talking about that worked in Burlington. We could also create an acquisition fund. We could use public lands to build affordable housing. We could also have a public fund for buying homes, apartments, duplexes, triplexes and fourplexes. Then we could have democratic public control over rents and prices.

Do my colleagues know where that has been done? It was done in Vienna, Austria. For years, Vienna has been buying up virtually every house, apartment or building that comes on the market. Today, 60% of Vienna's real estate stock is owned by the city, so rent prices are kept under control. There is none of the speculation that we have been seeing here in Canada over the past 20 or 30 years as a result of the Liberals' and Conservatives' poor decisions.

The documentary Le dernier flip : Démarchandiser l'immobilier talks about a 20% target for off-market apartments and houses. We are not talking about 100%. There will still be a private sector, a private real estate market, as is the case right now, and that is fine. However, the percentage of off-market housing is too low right now. It is around 3%, whereas the target is 20%. If we reach the 20% target, we will be able to stabilize the market. That will have a positive impact on the private market, because it will cool the market down and curb speculation.

There is a research group in Montreal called the Institut de recherche et d'informations socioéconomiques, or IRIS, which published a study in June. The current housing crisis is creating many losers. Unfortunately, the study is called “The Big Winners of the Housing Crisis”, because some people have been lining their pockets for years. I am talking about trusts, funds and investment firms, which are benefiting from significant tax incentives and, unfortunately, are only out to make a profit.

Thirty years ago, almost none of our housing stock was owned by large trusts and investment funds. Today, 20% of Canada's entire housing stock is in the hands of people who are only interested in making money as quickly as possible. That is a big part of the financialization of the real estate market and the housing stock.

The IRIS study, much like the efforts in Quebec of FRAPRU, the Front d'action populaire en réaménagement urbain, illustrates just how harmful this is. It hurts renters, because there is not enough rental stock that is truly affordable. We do not have enough off-market housing. I think that is what we need to focus on for the next few years. We need to use public money wisely to rethink our investment model and remind everyone that housing is a right.

Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with DisabilitiesCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, as we have been talking about affordable housing, we have heard the Conservatives be extremely critical of the housing accelerator fund. However, it was revealed today in a CBC story, or by one of the outlets, that five Conservative members had written to the housing minister, encouraging him to award housing accelerator money to their ridings so their communities could benefit from it.

I am wondering whether the member would like to provide his thoughts on the hypocrisy between what Conservatives are saying and what they are doing behind the back of their leader.

Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with DisabilitiesCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Mr. Speaker, yes, I did hear about that. I was really stunned. What a blatant contradiction. I think my colleague used the word “hypocrisy”, and that is exactly what it is.

What the Conservatives want to do is cut programs that sometimes work. That program is working so well that some Conservative members want their municipalities' projects to be approved. However, the Conservative leader wants to axe the program. Maybe they need to have a conversation.

Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with DisabilitiesCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:40 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate my colleague on his excellent speech. He provided a very good overview of the situation. My question will focus on the problem of the financialization of housing, which he spoke about so brilliantly.

I want to hear his thoughts on how this government could put measures in place to limit the financialization of housing when we know, for example, that one of the big players in Montreal is a personal friend of the Prime Minister's through the Claridge private investment fund.

Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with DisabilitiesCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Mr. Speaker, there are tax exemptions and loopholes, particularly with the capital gains tax, that allow these large trusts to get out of paying their share of taxes. This encourages them to buy more units, hundreds of units. That hurts tenants.

The NDP believes that if these big funds cannot guarantee that they are going to keep certain units affordable, they should be taxed more or prevented from acquiring more units. The Canadian Tax Foundation has done a very good study on why we need to review tax rules, because they are too favourable for these funds. The Liberals have not had the courage to touch them yet, but I hope this will be done in the next few years.

Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with DisabilitiesCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Rosemont—La Petite‑Patrie for his speech and for pointing out every day that Montreal, Quebec and Canada as a whole are experiencing a shortage of affordable housing.

I know that the Liberals have given a lot of CMHC's funds to big real estate companies. The Conservatives are proposing to do the same, to hand over money to boost the profits of these big real estate companies instead of helping people by providing social housing and co-operative housing.

Can my colleague, who is truly an outstanding critic for affordable housing, tell me what needs to change in order for us to stop giving money to the rich and start helping average families get affordable housing?

Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with DisabilitiesCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Mr. Speaker, I did not have enough time during my speech to adequately describe how expensive housing is for households. Households that spend more than 30% of their income on housing are poor and vulnerable. Do members know how many households are currently in this predicament? The answer is 1.6 million Canadian households, including 373,000 Quebec households.

Yesterday, the Front d'action populaire en réaménagement urbain, or FRAPRU, sent a letter to the Minister of Housing, Infrastructure and Communities. One of the things FRAPRU called for in its letter was to restrict affordable housing funding to the non-profit sector. We should use our non-profits to build truly affordable housing. This would require a review of the rules and the Liberal housing strategy that has failed to produce results in recent years.

Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with DisabilitiesCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

3:40 p.m.

Green

Mike Morrice Green Kitchener Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the member for Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie for bringing up the really important report on the financialization of housing.

I am sure he is as disappointed as I was that the government chose not to end the tax exemption for real estate investment trusts in the spring. Even in the current report, the recommendation is just to keep studying it.

I wonder whether the member can comment on how enough is enough; we do not need to study the tax exemptions we are giving to large corporate investors that are raising rents for folks in my community as well as in his. We can actually give the funds to groups like Habitat for Humanity that want to build more affordable housing.