House of Commons Hansard #373 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was going.

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5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to rise in this place to speak on behalf of the good people of Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, who sent me here. They are quite concerned about the business of this place being hung up and the fact that we are not addressing what we could be addressing. We are stopped from doing so because the other side of the House will not follow the order the Speaker laid out for them to produce documents relating to the Sustainable Development Technology Canada fund, unredacted, as the Speaker commanded them to do.

If they listened, it could be business as usual, and we could be dealing with other important issues in this country. Right now, what is important to Canadians and the constituents of all of us in the House, even constituents represented by Liberal members, is knowing what is in the documents that were sort of produced and somewhat redacted. What is with the big cover-up? If the Liberals bring the documents forward, the privilege debate will be over and we can get back to business. First we have to find out where that $400 million went.

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An hon. member

Where did it go?

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Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, my hon. colleague from Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, is wondering where those funds went.

Canadians have lost faith in the NDP-Liberal coalition, which seems to be alive and well. Nearly 20% of the Prime Minister's caucus, 24 members, signed a letter asking for a leadership review. What happened yesterday? One of his ministers resigned. Some people think he may be the other Randy. I do not know, but I am trying to be very careful because I know this issue is very close to the Speaker's heart and he is making sure that we do not step over any boundaries. Things are crumbling on that side of the House. Canadians can see it. The business of the country is falling apart.

On June 10, a motion was adopted calling for documents related to the SDTC fund to be produced to the law clerk. What happened over the summer? Nothing. Then the documents were either withheld or redacted at the order of the big boss, the Prime Minister.

The common-sense Conservative House leader raised this question of privilege because of a failure to comply with that House order. On September 26, the Speaker ruled that the House's privilege had been breached, give or a take a day or two. What is a day or two? Look at the time we are chewing up asking that this question of privilege be honoured and that the documents be delivered to the law clerk.

It is time to get on with business. The Liberals should just produce the documents. Let us get on with things. What are we going to find out about that $400 million?

I have communities in Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame that are fraught with crime. People are fearful. As members heard me say today in a question, I asked the Prime Minister why he will not call an election and let the people vote on his crime record. I attended a town hall this past Friday in a town of 800 people, Friday afternoon. Nearly 300 people showed up at that town hall on crime. RCMP members were there too, talking about how their hands are tied.

The criminal justice system is not being supported for rural Canadians. They do not even see the point in laying charges in a lot of cases, because minimum sentences will be thrown out of court, and cases take so long to make their way through the criminal justice system in Newfoundland and Labrador. In fact, not long ago, a murder case that was pretty much cut-and-dried got thrown right out of court because it had waited so long without having one day in court. This is happening all over the country.

When the police have to have everything perfect, and if the RCMP has to wait three or four years to get the ducks in a row to do a major cocaine bust or crack bust, to shut down a crack house, how many more addicts are being created week after week, month after month and year after year? The NDP-Liberals' soft-on-crime criminal justice system favours the criminal. However, it disadvantages those who are impacted by crime and those families whose loved ones are addicts or are becoming addicts where the crime is addiction related.

People who worked hard all their lives, senior citizens, attended a town hall, and not just one, not just two, not just three but a multitude of them stood up and told the RCMP that they were sleeping with a gun next to their bed. That is an infraction of the Criminal Code, but what can the RCMP do? It does not have any resources, and the people feel like they are left to fend for themselves. It is becoming like the Wild West; it is crazy. It is deplorable and it should not be happening in Canada, specifically in rural Canada.

During the pandemic, people moved from metro regions of Canada back to their rural communities, to where they grew up and where they felt safe, but where now, just a short two or three years later, they are so afraid that they are telling us they are sleeping with a gun next to their bed. I heard it with my very own ears. The RCMP heard it. It is not hearsay. It is not something about which the media is going to say, “Oh, [the member for Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame] is a big bluff. He is hyping it all up. He is making this stuff up and being dramatic.” This is very real.

I spoke to a member of the clergy a few days before I went to the town hall meeting. I said to him, “You're a man of faith and you're in the community”, and I asked him, “What are you hearing?” I told him what I am hearing. He said, “MP, what's going to happen is that vigilantism is going to take over and somebody is going to get shot.” This is absolutely deplorable.

The police do not have the resources. The depot was shut down for two years while every university, every community college and every high school in Canada was full on. The education system found a way to operate. Why did the RCMP depot have to be shut down for two years while the members that the RCMP has are moving into retirement age?

The RCMP knew what the shortfall would be with no recruits graduating from the college for two full years. Whose directive was it? I do not think it was a directive from the RCMP to shut down the depot. I think the directive came from the soft NDP-Liberal leadership. It is absolutely terrible, and I am sure my colleague from Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan understands that the RCMP college could have kept graduating members.

Right now rural crime is on the rise and addiction-related crime is going through the roof. The latter is a tricky kind of crime for the police to address because it is addiction-driven. There is absolutely, in most cases, no motive, no logic and no nothing. It is just driven by the need for the next fix, and the poor addicts cannot even think through the process of right and wrong.

Where else could some of the $400 million have been spent? I think about the oyster industry in Prince Edward Island. I visited there this past summer. An industry that means over $100 million to the economy of Prince Edward Island is completely in peril. The people of Prince Edward Island were promised a million dollars to conduct research to try to solve the MSX parasite problem that is going to completely wipe out the oyster industry in Prince Edward Island.

It would probably be safe to say that members would like to enjoy a nice Malpeque oyster once in a while. They are not going to be enjoying any in two years' or three years' time, because the parasite kills any oyster that is infested with it within two years, and it is going to completely wipe out the entire oyster industry in Prince Edward Island. We are not hearing anything from the members who represent Prince Edward Island.

I am glad as an Islander to stand here and speak on behalf of the oyster industry in Prince Edward Island, and just a little ways away on another island, Îles de la Madeleine, the minister announced not long ago lots of money from the blue slush fund for small-craft harbours. The Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, one member of the House out of 338, delivered 20% of all small-craft harbour projects to her own riding, and P.E.I. gets $500,000 a year. In August, a summit was promised to bring in industry experts to discuss the oyster MSX problem. There has been no talk of it whatsoever.

There are so many things happening in this country that affect rural economies and rural security, and they are being neglected. It is a burden we carry, representing the people who sent us here to speak up on issues that matter to them.

Another very, very big matter in my province of Newfoundland and Labrador is the failure of DFO science in carrying out adequate and accurate stock assessments on our northern cod. Right now, rumours are flying around that the vessel that was conducting the ground trawl survey has been having all kinds of mechanical issues, and that once again, for the fourth year in a row, we are in jeopardy of not having a complete, accurate northern cod survey.

For the people who are involved in the fishing industry back home, it is complete neglect. When there are questions about the cod biomass, the finger always gets pointed at the survey. If the survey is incomplete, that is the best that we have. Follow the precautionary principle, and the maximum harvest potential can never be realized. Those are dollars that do not flow into our coastal communities and our coastal economies. They are new dollars that never get a chance to enter our economy, and that is not good enough.

In the spring of 2022 I brought forward a bill to address the ecological disaster and the imbalance that exist in our ocean ecosystems due to the overpopulation of pinnipeds. Pinnipeds include seals, sea lions and walruses. Just the available quota this year, if it were taken, would reduce the consumption of fish by over a million tonnes. All of the nutrition, the value of clothing and everything that goes with it, is sitting there. It is a waste, and it is destroying our marine ecosystem and reducing the GDP in our blue economy. Maybe some of the $400 million could have gone into redeveloping our markets for seal products, but it is just not happening. All we hear is promises.

There are lots of groups. They do a little study, and it is $500,000 for one, $100,000 for another, and $750,000 for another, but there are no results. We need results. The taxpayers' dollars could be invested in something that is going to give results. We do not know what the money is being invested in. We cannot get the documents.

We need the documents, and we need to get on with the business of the House. We need to start tackling crime. We need to fix the budget, and I guess we will soon find out what that looks like. We will have something to chew into.

Then we look at the issue we are continually bringing up here in the House. The number one thing I hear about, next to crime, is “When are we having a carbon tax election?” It is time to axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget and stop the crime. Everything I have spoken about here so far included three of those four pillars, so I cannot lose the opportunity to talk about the one that is taking the most money out of the wallets of Canadians: the carbon tax. The farmers who grow the food are taxed, the truckers who truck the food are taxed, and the factories that produce the food are taxed.

I am sure the member from Winnipeg has eaten the odd can of Campbell's soup in his day. I wonder what he thinks it was cooked with. Was it a grass fire? I do not think so. A good old bit of diesel fuel is now getting the big factory burners going, cooking up the soup for the member. The trucker trucks it into a Loblaws somewhere. One good thing about a can of Campbell's soup is that it can be stored on the shelf. It does not need to be put it in the big freezers and refrigerator units that the government supplied. It is very efficient sitting on the shelf.

When the Liberal government wants to dish out money to its friends, like Loblaws, that is no problem, but when the oyster fishermen and the oyster aquaculture industry are in peril in P.E.I., they are thrown to the wolves like the rest of Canadians who are depending on better from the government.

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5:55 p.m.

The Speaker Greg Fergus

I would like to present my apologies to the member for Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame. Indeed, he was correct; it was Thursday, September 26, that the ruling came in from the Speaker.

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5:55 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Mr. Speaker, I want to identify a couple of things that are very important with regard to security and safety. The Harper administration, in 2012, put in a three-year plan, not a one-year plan, to take $143 million out of the CBSA budget, to get rid of frontline workers and others who protected our borders.

This member was also part of the current group that, over a year ago, went line by line through the budget against funding CBSA and its workers. Back in 2012, the union and many other experts identified that guns coming illegally into Canada would come in a more diverse area and at a significant threshold. They said there would be more pornography coming into Canada and that there would be more people entering illegally.

Will the member apologize and own up to the responsibility that Stephen Harper started attacking workers who defend our border every single day? Also, why was the $143 million not restored after they found out it was true that all those things went up because of Harper's cuts?

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5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, I am sure my NDP-Liberal colleague is very pleased to be part of the Loblaws team that dished out all that money to Loblaws a few years ago to fit its stores out with new freezers and coolers. The government that is in place is nine years old. The member just went back 12 years. Who is responsible for the last nine years? We are not talking about 2012 here. We are talking about the present and the conditions people are living in from coast to coast to coast. They keep bringing back Mr. Harper. There have been nine years of NDP-Liberal rule. It is time for it to come to an end and to call a carbon tax election right now.

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NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, it is not nine years and going back 12 years, because he sits with—

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5:55 p.m.

The Speaker Greg Fergus

To the hon. member for Windsor West, who is a very experienced member, that sounds a lot like debate.

Questions and comments, the hon. member for Lac-Saint-Louis.

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5:55 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Mr. Speaker, we know for a fact that the Conservatives do not have an environmental policy. They do not like the price on carbon. They do not like ZEV mandates. They do not like the clean-fuel standard. They do not like an emissions cap on oil and gas. They do not like the clean electricity standard. The only thing they believe in is giving subsidies to businesses to invest in green technology. That is all they have.

Does the member opposite not see a hint of irony in that?

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5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member is quite a gentleman. He spoke of EV mandates. Last night I was watching the news, and a gentleman's life will be forever changed because he had to beat the windows out of a vehicle that was burning, and poor victims were burned inside. These EVs are just not safe. When they catch fire, it is impossible to put the fire out. It is a safety issue to even have lithium batteries in a vehicle. People are getting stuck in these vehicles. The rules surrounding them are so weak. In Canada, EVs just do not work. They are not selling. The government is dishing out $35 billion to battery plants in Montreal and in southern Ontario for products that are not going to be sold. That is another waste of taxpayers' money. We can tack that $35 billion onto this $400 billion.

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6 p.m.

Conservative

Fraser Tolmie Conservative Moose Jaw—Lake Centre—Lanigan, SK

Mr. Speaker, my colleague gave a passionate speech. In his speech, he spoke about $400 million being taken from the people of Canada. We hear heartbreaking stories of old people being scammed, of money being taken out of their bank accounts. I would like to ask my colleague's opinion on this $400 million. People did not have a say on where the money went. What is his opinion of that?

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6 p.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for his question. It is a very good question. When seniors are robbed, they are usually robbed by friends or by other people they trust. There was an amount of trust put into the government in 2015. For goodness' sake, the Liberals took every seat in Atlantic Canada. It is always the people we trust who steal from us. It is not always neighbours or family in the case of seniors. Now it is the people they entrusted with 100% of the seats in Atlantic Canada. They want change and we are going to bring it to them.

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6 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, the member started off so well. I think he got about five gold stars according to the CBC and the Conservative insiders. Then he started taking a bit of a nosedive because, according to the article on Conservative MPs, if they stray too far from the message, they get told pretty quickly. I do not believe opposing electric vehicles outright or calling them something that they are not is going to do him well.

Does the member recognize that what he is supposed to be talking about is a motion being referred to the PROC committee?

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6 p.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, let us talk about control. This is the guy who stands and asks at least 50% of the questions in any debate in this House, the Campbell soup man from Winnipeg. He admitted it is one of his favourite foods.

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November 21st, 2024 / 6 p.m.

The Speaker Greg Fergus

I think we are all having good fun, and I do not think this is causing any disturbances, but it is really important that members try to not attach labels to other members. It is important to conduct ourselves with respect.

The hon. member.

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6 p.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, I, for one, certainly am not censored. I do not know anyone who is censored. We do not have to be censored. We all know what is important to Canadians. That is what we stand in this House to talk about: the crime, the homelessness, the hunger and the cost to heat their homes.

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An hon. member

Oh, oh!

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Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, if that was me, you would be, if you remembered the name my riding, telling me to shut up. The member should have better sense and stop heckling over there. I would never do that to him. He is part of the government that has destroyed Canada. We have had enough. It is time to call a corruption, carbon tax, crime election.

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6 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Mr. Speaker, my hon. colleague speaks with great passion in this place and I really do appreciate that. He mentioned that he does not want to be censored. I want to give him an opportunity to reflect upon something in this House.

What is a lesson he would give to this place in relation to what he thinks the worst Conservative scandal is and how we can learn from it?

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6:05 p.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, do you have a way of deciphering what he just asked me? I do not think I am a brilliant man or a stupid man, maybe somewhere in the middle, but he is not making sense to me.

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An hon. member

Oh, oh!

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Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, he should be ashamed of the marriage that the NDP have with the Liberals. They keep propping up the government—

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6:05 p.m.

The Speaker Greg Fergus

Order. I am just making sure that members do not take the floor when they are not recognized by the Speaker so that the hon. member can answer.

The hon. member.

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6:05 p.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, the member should be ashamed of the arrangement that his party has in propping up the corrupt government that is breaking Canadians. We talk to people when we go back home, when we see the people who elected us. The number one thing they ask is how long is the NDP crowd going to keep backing up the corrupt Liberals who are breaking us. That is what we hear. What should the member do? He should put that in his pipe, smoke it and think about it.

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6:05 p.m.

The Speaker Greg Fergus

I am going to ask members to be very careful in their choice of words and in the way they treat each other. It is very important for us to do so.

I see the hon. member for Edmonton Griesbach is rising on a point of order.