House of Commons Hansard #376 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was cbc.

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10:40 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Madam Speaker, my colleague talked about disorder. I could talk to him about disorder. We saw it when the Harper government capitulated on softwood lumber. We lost $1 billion that was given to the Americans. We lost 100,000 jobs, not just in Quebec, but also in British Columbia and across Canada. We lost 200 softwood lumber plants.

It is the Conservatives' fault because of their total capitulation. We cannot trust the Conservatives to negotiate anything because they failed so miserably. What does my colleague have to say to the 100,000 workers who lost their jobs because of the Conservatives?

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10:40 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Paul-Hus Conservative Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, QC

Madam Speaker, I do not think my colleague is ever going to know what it is like to run a government. However, his support for the Liberal government over the past nine years ensured that the country's national debt doubled.

What will he say to Canadians who are now required to pay more for the goods and services they need because inflation has gone up, everything is more expensive and the price of housing has doubled because of the inflationary measures of this government, which is supported by my colleague and his friends?

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10:40 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Madam Speaker, it is a privilege to be able to be here tonight to talk on a really important subject, which is the proposal that the President-elect of the United States has put out, at least publicly, the concept of a 25% tariff on Canadian products into the United States. Before I start my remarks, I would like to recognize the regrets here in the House of my hon. colleague from Etobicoke—Lakeshore, someone who has deep relationships in the United States. I am fortunate to be able to take his time this evening, but he did want to recognize that he wished he could be here for the debate. He has a presence—

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10:40 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

The hon. member knows not to mention who is in the chamber and who is not. I just wanted to remind him of that.

The hon. member for Kings—Hants.

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10:40 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Madam Speaker, the hon. member for Etobicoke—Lakeshore is a great member of Parliament and a good friend to the Canada-U.S. relationship.

I would be remiss if I did not recognize the fact that it there was an election tonight in Nova Scotia. Tim Houston, who was the premier going into the election, was re-elected with a majority mandate. I would like to congratulate him on his successful election. I would also like to congratulate Zach Churchill, the leader of the Liberal Party, as well as Claudia Chender and all the candidates who put their names forward in Nova Scotia. I think we, as elected members of Parliament, can certainly respect and understand the importance of people putting their names forward for democracy. I look forward to working with all the newly elected and re-elected members of the legislative assembly in Nova Scotia, in Kings—Hants and across Nova Scotia.

This is a crucial debate. Obviously, I think that any concept of tariffs on the most integrated economies in the world is problematic. The proposal would not only hurt the Canadian economy, it would hurt the American economy and consumers on both sides of the border.

We do not have a whole lot to work with as parliamentarians, as has been reported and has been put out by the president-elect on his social media channels. He has alluded to the fact that, in his first day of office, once assuming it on January 20, 2025, he would put a 25% tariff on Canadian and Mexican imports into the United States. It is worth noting that the Canada-U.S. relationship is one of the most unique in the world. We share the longest undefended border, and we have nearly 3 billion dollars' worth of products and services being traded between our two countries on any given day. That represents nearly a trillion dollars of trade. There is no country in the world that matches that reality.

I saw the president-elect's remarks. We, I think, as Canadian parliamentarians, want to work with the incoming administration. The Republican Party and President-elect Trump were elected in the United States. At the same time, we need to be able to find a pathway to work with that new administration and understand how we can get to an outcome that is going to be satisfactory for citizens on both sides of the border because it should be in the vested interests of any parliamentarian or any member of congress to get that outcome. We serve the people. We serve our citizens here in Canada, and this is extremely important.

The debate tonight is a debate about presumably the impact of what these tariffs would represent, as well as how the Government of Canada responds, but I would argue how members of Parliament in the House should respond because the government has a responsibility, but so too do we. Every elected member of a Canadian constituency has a responsibility to represent Canada's interests and, of course, be the voice for our people here in Parliament.

I want to break my remarks down tonight into a few different categories. I want to start by talking about the economic relationship, but I also want to talk about defence and national security. I want to talk about a North American continental approach. I also want to talk about a team Canada approach and how we should go about this relationship over the next couple of months. However, I will start with the economy.

I believe that, for 32 out of the 50 states in the United States, their most important trading partner is Canada, which would be 64% of the United States. We have a deep economic relationship. In fact, in Canada, 75% of our exports, whether in goods or in services, go to the United States. We as a government, and many previous federal governments, look at diversifying trade as a good thing. Of course, we want to partner around the world, but we cannot get around the facts that we have one of the most advanced economies in the world right on the our doorstep and that our relationships are integral and connected.

With talk of a 25% tariff on Canadian products, while I am not suggesting that the government should do this right away, if there was no movement on this issue between now and January 20, 2025, any reasonable government in the country would have to respond at some point to protect our national interests. That would just lead to impacts on both sides of the border about business interests and the impact on communities.

We have been here before. This government has managed a rocky Canada-U.S. relationship. Throughout our history, since Confederation and the Declaration of Independence, there have always been times throughout the relationship where relations can be strained, but we know that even in those times, the Canada-U.S. relationship must prevail because of the shared interests and values we have between our two countries, the protection of freedom, democracy and liberty and the promotion of western liberal democracy across the world. It will be incumbent on all members of Parliament in this place to engage with their congressional colleagues on Capitol Hill to remind them about the importance of the economic relationship, a two-way relationship that benefits Canada and the United States equally.

I want to talk a bit about the resources that Canada has that can benefit the United States. We wake up every morning thinking about the United States and their importance in a continental relationship. The United States is one of the largest countries in the world and, arguably, the most powerful country in the world. The U.S. may not think about Canada in the same way that we think about it every morning. I think of the importance of critical minerals, not only on the reduction of emissions and in the context of climate change but also in the context of defence and security. We possess the critical minerals the United States needs. The other critical mineral superpower in the world is China. We know from the relationship and the way in which both Democratic nominee for president, Kamala Harris, and President-elect Donald Trump have approached this that there is a concern around China's influence in the world.

Canada has the critical minerals that the United States needs. We have seen investments by the Department of National Defence in Canada's north in partnership with Canadian companies alongside our government to make sure we build a supply chain that will work in a North American context. A 25% tariff, at the heart, goes directly against this type of thinking and would not be helpful to the American interests across the United States.

When we talk about energy, Canada is an energy superpower. We should be deeply proud of that, whether it be our oil and gas sector, renewables or other forms of energy. Nuclear energy is also a key opportunity to partner in deeper integration with the United States. The United States needs our energy market. I had the opportunity at the Halifax International Security Forum to have a conversation with a representative from Amazon. Amazon is looking at artificial intelligence and deep data centres as a way to help drive its business, as well as innovations that are going to be needed around the world, but it needs renewable energy to do that.

Canadians listening at home tonight would be proud to know that Canada is one of the best grids in the world from an electricity perspective. Nearly 86% of our electricity that is generated is emissions-free. It leads the world. It is a tremendous opportunity and competitive advantage. As American companies look to expand their footprint in the digital space, whether it be in Quebec, British Columbia or across this country, we are well positioned to capitalize upon that, but 25% tariffs do not help in that.

In the integrated market, on any given day, whether it is a company in Kings—Hants, Nova Scotia, Etobicoke—Lakeshore or Surrey, British Columbia, we have companies that do business across borders and vice versa. There are great American companies that provide products and services that we need in this country, so we cannot look at this from an and/or perspective.

I listened to questions in question period today and heard the Conservatives using the words “Canada first”. Any member of Parliament in this place wants to place Canadian national interests at the top of what we advocate for every day, but that type of thinking plays into an isolationist type of view that I do not think is beneficial when we are talking about the Canada-U.S. relationship. We have to be talking about partnership. Every time the Conservatives stand in this place and talk about Canada first, we should be talking about North American advantage and how Canada can co-operate. That puts Canadian interests at the heart of what we are doing alongside the Americans in a global context. I want to talk about that in an economic sense, but we need to talk about defence and national security.

I submit that the world is probably the most dangerous it has been in the last 100 years. We have war in Eastern Europe and Ukraine, provoked by Vladimir Putin and the Russian Federation. We have war in the Middle East, and I was pleased to see a ceasefire today between Israel and Hezbollah. That is important news, but again, there remains instability in that region, and we have a rise of authoritarian governments around the world.

Again, I bring members back to my experience at the Halifax International Security Forum. One of the panels this weekend in Halifax was on the CRINKs, China, Russia, Iran and North Korea, and their involvement in the world. They are not out to protect and promote democratic values. They are out to do the opposite, and Canada has an interesting role to play in the world here. We have to promote the ability for western liberal democracies to succeed in this challenge that we are facing, which is, again, the most dangerous world we have seen in 100 years.

That bears upon a responsibility for Canada and the United States to take a leadership role in the world, and the way we do that is by working together. It is not by putting up walls or tariff barriers between us. It is by looking at ways that we can further integrate our economies and ways that we can co-operate in the interests of national security.

I think it took a bit too long, but I fully support the fact that the government has committed to a 2% target on NATO. It is going to require billions of dollars between now and 2032 to scale up to that amount. The member for Etobicoke—Lakeshore and I were in Washington in July as part of the NATO conference, and we had these conversations alongside congressional leaders in the House and in the Senate about the ways Canada can be a key partner in NATO.

Madam Speaker, do you know what is concerning? I heard the shadow critic for defence today stand up in the House. It was the first time I had seen in a long time that the leader of the official opposition allowed him to speak in this place, and he asked questions on defence. The Conservatives love to beat their chests on the defence question. They had defence spending under 1% when they left office in 2015, and they have not yet committed to the 2% target, so my question to my hon. colleagues on the other side of the House is when they will formally commit to the 2% and help work and push this government to do more on defence spending, because not only is it a moral imperative in the world that we are facing right now, but it is going to be an extremely important element in terms of that relationship with the United States.

When we talk to Republican congressional leaders, they will be engaging with the president-elect about the importance of U.S. influence in foreign policy, but they will be saying NATO countries have to step up and deliver sooner on their commitments. The government is starting on that path. The opposition should be joining us and saying they fully commit to 2%, but I do not hear a lick out of them in relation to foreign policy. They do not talk about it. They do not talk about their view in the world, and I think it is probably incumbent on them, if they think they are the government-in-waiting, to start talking about how they view the world and Canada's role in the world, particularly as it relates to defence.

I just want to take an opportunity to talk about the team Canada approach. This is extremely important. We saw the premiers write to the Prime Minister and talk about the importance of bringing the premiers of the provinces and territories together. We have to be united in a team Canada approach. I know we can have partisan debates in here. I just took a bit of a shot at the Conservatives on the opposite side, but I did so in good faith, hoping and knowing that at the end of the day, Canada's interests should come ahead of any partisan interests in this place.

We are in a critical moment, and I think it is incumbent on the government, to the extent that it can find goodwill across this House, to build consensus and to go to Washington and make sure we are advocating for Canada's interests as a united team Canada, alongside the premiers. I think that should include the provinces. We have seen Premier Ford, and we have seen Premier Wab Kinew and Premier Danielle Smith talk about their desire to get to Washington and to Capitol Hill. That is important.

Canada is a big federation. We have regional interests that may differ, or there may be particular strategic assets, depending on whether someone is in the Atlantic or if they are in British Columbia, the west, Ontario or Quebec, that may differ in terms of how they want to engage in this relationship, but we have to do it in an aligned approach. I think that is incumbent on all members of Parliament.

We should be thinking about our work and our ability to travel to Capitol Hill and engage constructively with our American colleagues in Congress about the ways we can work together. We need to build those relationships. It is muscle memory. We need to be able to spend time on Capitol Hill. Some of us do this very well. There may be others who have never actually taken the opportunity to go to Washington. It is important that we do that and that we invite our American colleagues to come to Ottawa, so we can reinforce the partnership that we have together.

The last item is regarding industry and key stakeholders. This is going to be important. The cross-border business relationship needs to be reinforced, and we have to find symmetry regarding ways that we can create wins for industry in both the United States and Canada. I believe there is a window and a great opportunity to do more of that, and we should view this relationship not as a contentious one or one that is a threat to Canada. I know a 25% opening conversation on tariffs is problematic, but we should view this as an opportunity in terms of how we can further deepen the relationship and build wins on both sides of the border.

It would be irresponsible of me not to talk about the agriculture question. I chair the House of Commons agriculture committee, and I want to talk a little about some of the cross-border wins that I just alluded to. We need to be identifying harmonization of policies that are wins for our Canadian agriculture sector and the U.S. sector as well. I want to give one example, which is Bill C-280; I think it is by the member for Simcoe North. It is in the House. I am deeply disappointed that the Senate has amended the bill, notwithstanding that it was agreed to with 323 votes to 1 in this place. It will be coming back to the House, and I would ask the House to reject that amendment. Furthermore, if the bill is going to be delayed, it is absolutely responsible for the government to take the contents of the bill and put it in some type of economic legislation. We are mired in a question of privilege, and things are blocked here in the House. However, there are important pieces of legislation that we have to get through for the Canada-U.S. relationship and for Canadians; Bill C-280 would be one of those.

I think about opportunities around the Pest Management Regulatory Agency and the EPA and ways that they can share information to be able to drive questions around crop management and crop protection products and approvals. That is an easy win that I presume a Republican administration would see as straightforward policy that we could also sell on our side of the border.

I think about the ability to align on the standardization around standards and what products are actually marketed under. That is something we could align in a North American context.

Around wilderness protection, people in the United States, regardless of whether they are Democrats or Republicans, are big on protecting nature and natural lands. We can also find bipartisan or multipartisan consensus here in Canada around protecting natural landscapes. Those are things that we could do together in alignment in an international context.

I want to talk about Nova Scotia quickly. We are fortunate to be exempted from the forestry tariffs that have been discussed in the House. As an entire Parliament, we need to continue to lean in on that question. The forestry sector matters to this country, and we should be there.

The president-elect mentioned two things in his post yesterday: fentanyl and the border. I would hazard a guess that any member of Parliament in this place wants to tackle the question of fentanyl and the impact of drug abuse in this country. We are all standing there, and the government can do more.

Certainly with respect to the border and any immigration mechanisms, we can make sure we give confidence to the incoming administration that by no means should there be a 25% tariff on our products. It would hurt American industry, and we can work with the incoming administration to make sure that we have partnership.

I look forward to taking questions from my hon. colleagues.

U.S. Tariffs on Canadian ProductsEmergency Debate

11 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Madam Speaker, it is interesting that the member talked about the border and said that there is nothing to see here; everything is great. I was listening to a CBS News report from about a week ago, which talked about the border. A 295-mile part of the border between Canada and the United States includes New York, Vermont and New Hampshire. In 2023, 19,000 illegals were captured crossing that border, and 321 were on the United States terrorist watch-list. This is exactly the problem. The current government has been incompetent in managing our borders; this is why we are in the situation we are in.

Does the member want to comment on that failure?

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11 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Madam Speaker, I would like to comment. I have the privilege of having the Minister of Public Safety in my Atlantic caucus, and we have talked about this explicitly.

When the member talks about 19,000 cases, he is talking about incidents. An individual could show up at the American border having forgotten their passport and that counts as an incident. When the member uses that number of 19,000, it is somewhat misleading. There are problems, and we do need to make sure that we are addressing them. The Minister of Public Safety has addressed that in the House.

When the member uses the number 19,000, it is a bit misleading to this House because it relates to any incidents, including a Canadian who shows up to the border in Saint John who wants to go into Calais who forgot their passport. He should be careful and use those numbers accordingly.

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November 26th, 2024 / 11:05 p.m.

Bloc

Louis-Philippe Sauvé Bloc LaSalle—Émard—Verdun, QC

Madam Speaker, I heard my colleague opposite talk about Bill C-280, but I wonder if he could also talk about Bill C-282, which, I would remind members, seeks to protect supply management.

We are currently negotiating with the government, and there are some things we absolutely must not compromise on, including the well-being of Quebec farmers. I would like my esteemed colleague to tell me whether his government and his Prime Minister will force the senators' hand and respect the will of the elected members of the House.

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11:05 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Madam Speaker, I want to welcome my hon. colleague because I think this is our first interaction since the by-election he won. Congratulations to him.

My riding in Atlantic Canada is home to the largest number of supply-managed farms east of Quebec. I fully support supply-managed farmers. It is a very important sector in Canada, not just in Quebec. It is a very important sector in Atlantic Canada, in western Canada, in Ontario and in British Columbia. I think that it is absolutely vital for all parliamentarians to come together to protect this sector for the future.

Yes, I support this bill. If the Senate rejects this bill, I think it will be important for all members to reject the Senate amendment. It may soon be necessary for the government to introduce a certain economic bill. I hope that the Bloc Québécois will support us in fixing the gridlock in Parliament caused by the Conservatives and the question of privilege.

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11:05 p.m.

NDP

Lisa Marie Barron NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Madam Speaker, once again, a big happy birthday to you. I am sorry that you are here so late with us all tonight on your birthday.

I thank the member for Kings—Hants. I am sure the member is just as excited as I am to hear the news of the provincial election. We have the first woman leader of the opposition elected in Nova Scotia, Claudia Chender. This is very exciting news.

I am certain the member, being from Nova Scotia, loves lobster just as much as I do and the people who catch it. Who else loves lobster? People around the world love lobster, including in the United States. Some 51,000 tonnes of lobster were caught in Nova Scotia just last year, valued at more than $1 billion, and 60% of that was exported into the United States.

How is the member supporting these local lobster fishers to ensure they can continue to work, and that we can continue to see the benefits of lobster coming back into Canada in light of these tariffs being promised by Trump? How are we preparing to make sure that we are supporting these lobster—

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11:05 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

The hon. member for Kings—Hants.

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11:05 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Madam Speaker, I will start by wishing you a happy birthday. I cannot think of any greater privilege than being here at the heart of democracy in this country.

To my hon. colleague, yes, I am very proud of all our provincial leaders, like Zach Churchill. Claudia Chender ran a tremendous campaign; I think the world of her as well. I would like to congratulate Premier-elect Houston.

On lobsters, yes, the seafood industry is absolutely crucial to Atlantic Canada and to Nova Scotia. I also think about industries like Michelin, the tire industry and the interconnected nature that it has. This would also disrupt those types of economies.

The member asked me what I am doing personally. I am planning on going down to Capitol Hill in January. I have meetings lined up with Republican congressional leaders. I think that she should do the same, along with every member of this House, to make sure that we are doing our part to sell a team Canada approach to protect our national interests and promote economic co-operation in the continent.

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11:10 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Surrey—Newton, BC

Madam Speaker, I would like to wish you a very happy birthday.

The hon. member for Kings—Hants brought an exceptional idea of a team Canada perspective. I was on the international trade committee, which included the Conservative member for Prince Albert, when we finalized the CUSMA. We all worked together, from Seattle all the way to Washington, D.C., meeting business people, trades, unions and others to convince them that there should be a strong relationship. I want to thank the member for that idea. On the other hand, I see Conservatives are using scare tactics that there will be a flood of illegal migrants to Canada.

Can the member talk about how our government is prepared to deal with that situation, the one Conservatives are trying to scare people about, if it arises?

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11:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Madam Speaker, I will take 30 seconds to respond and then I will try to move a unanimous consent motion.

What I would say is the border is an important element. We have heard the Minister of Immigration talk about measures the government is taking. We will be there to help support. I do not think it is responsible for any member of Parliament to suggest we have a porous border and we are not there to help support. We will be there as a government to maintain our borders alongside the United States. We will also be willing to tackle that question of fentanyl.

While I have the floor, Madam Speaker, our hon. colleague from Saanich—Gulf Islands, who does great work in the House, wants to ask a question. I would ask unanimous consent that we allow for an additional 30 seconds for her to ask and 30 seconds for me to respond.

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11:10 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

We still have time for another question.

The hon. member for Saanich—Gulf Islands has the floor.

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11:10 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Madam Speaker, during the debate tonight, the leader of the official opposition referred to the president-elect as the president, as though the tariffs had been announced by a president with power to enact tariffs immediately. I applaud the member for Kings—Hants for saying he will be going to Washington to meet with colleagues. I think we all should be trying, and we should be asking all parties and all members of Parliament in this House with contacts or friends in the U.S. Congress or in any influential position to work with us. This is not the President of the United States; Donald Trump is president-elect. He will be inaugurated on January 20.

I would ask the member if he agrees it would have been better if the Leader of the Opposition had recognized we could work together across party lines and get down to the U.S. to make sure the Americans understand that tariffs hurt them, too.

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11:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Madam Speaker, we have some cupcakes out back for you on your birthday. I hope you will give me a few extra seconds.

I think the member for Saanich—Gulf Islands said it best. When I listened in the House and the Conservatives were saying they would take a combative approach and want to use “Canada first”, I do not know what that language means. I think it is incumbent on all of us in the House to use our relationship beyond politics to be able to say that now is the time to promote Canadian interests in the United States, to promote continental unity and the ability to find common ground, even if we do not always agree on everything, so we can protect Canadian interests and continental security. I certainly applaud the maturity of the member for Saanich—Gulf Islands in pointing that out, notwithstanding the member for Carleton's remarks earlier today.

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11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Martel Conservative Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

Madam Speaker, I wish to inform you that I will be sharing my time with my colleague from Dufferin—Caledon.

I rise in the House today with great concern for the future of our economy, particularly in the key sectors of aluminum and softwood lumber, which are essential to the prosperity of Quebec and our regions. These industries support thousands of families and workers in Quebec. However, today, they are being threatened by a series of economic factors as a result of this Prime Minister's incompetence.

Quebec's aluminum industry produces roughly 30% of the world's aluminum, but it is vulnerable to unfair competition, mainly due to the infiltration of cheap Chinese aluminum. Our Quebec producers, who comply with strict environmental standards and invest in cleaner production, are being penalized by this unfair competition. Similarly, the softwood lumber industry, which contributes approximately $12 billion to the Canadian economy, is under constant pressure from countervailing duties imposed by the United States, which are making an already difficult situation for our producers even worse.

Yesterday, President-elect Trump announced that he plans to impose a 25% tariff on all Canadian products. This decision will have a direct impact on the aluminum and softwood lumber sectors.

These new tariffs will only increase production costs for our companies, making them less competitive and potentially putting thousands of jobs on the line in Quebec. This announcement is a major blow to industries already facing difficulties, yet the Liberal government has still not implemented any concrete measures to protect our workers and producers.

What is even more shocking is that these threats were predictable. President-elect Trump has been talking about the possibility of 25% tariffs on Canadian products for years, even during his election campaign. However, the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister were caught off guard. Just a few days ago, the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance was asserting that Canada would be fine. Clearly, neither she nor the Prime Minister were following what the president-elect was saying. This government is clearly incapable of anticipating the economic threats we face. This government's inability to defend our economic interests has continually weakened our industries.

Clearly, what the Liberals are best at is weakening our economy and attacking our forestry industry. We saw that this summer with their threat to impose an order, supposedly to protect woodland caribou. In reality, experts cannot say for certain whether this order will protect caribou. One thing they can confirm, however, is that it will kill our forestry industry. The order that the Minister of Environment wants to impose on the region will jeopardize 1,400 forestry jobs in Saguenay—Lac-Saint-Jean and on the north shore. Worse still, the mayor of Sacré‑Cœur says that her municipality depends on logging and will turn into a ghost town if the order goes through. I should point out that the Bloc Québécois is complicit in all this. Bloc members voted twice to keep the current Prime Minister in place, leaving him free to impose an order that will be devastating for the region.

That is not all. We recently saw three sawmills close their doors in Quebec, including the one in Saint‑Ludger‑de‑Milot in my region, leaving 100 workers out on the street in a village with a population of 600. The closure was blamed on the high price of softwood lumber. All of this is due to the government's inability to negotiate an agreement on softwood lumber, to protect our forestry workers and to use a bit of common sense before presenting policies that are disconnected from the realities of Quebec's regions.

We have been under this government for nine years now. There have been three U.S. presidents, but there is still no agreement on softwood lumber. In contrast, the previous Conservative prime minister managed to get one signed 80 days after he was elected.

Another critically important sector in my region is aluminum. It is essential that we eliminate the carbon tax, which is overburdening producers by increasing their production costs and compromising their competitiveness. This tax must be eliminated to ensure that our businesses can remain competitive on the international market, especially in the face of competitors who are not subject to similar constraints. It is also imperative that we cancel all tax hikes for producers and workers. Our businesses are facing major challenges, and the additional tax burden is only making matters worse.

My riding is home to Rio Tinto and several other companies that supply the aluminum industry in the region. However, this sector is being threatened by Chinese products that are produced with no environmental standards and no protection for workers. Unlike the Prime Minister, my leader understands that aluminum is an economic driver in my region. In fact, he was in Saguenay this summer to talk about his proposals for protecting our Canadian aluminum.

A common-sense government will impose tariffs on Chinese aluminum to protect jobs in Saguenay and to protect the environment as well. As I said, my region produces the cleanest aluminum in the world. Every tonne of aluminum produced in Saguenay reduces greenhouse gas emissions. We produce two tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions for every tonne of aluminum. In China, it is 14 tonnes.

The tax hikes that Canadian companies are subject to make our producers less competitive and slow down innovation. We need to reduce the tax burden so that our industries can grow, hire staff and continue to produce in Canada. The role of government is to defend the interests of our workers and our industries. However, in the Liberal era, this government has consistently been reactive rather than proactive. Not only are we suffering the consequences of weak leadership, but we are also suffering the consequences of decisions that were made without any serious consultation with the sectors involved. Our key industries, such as aluminum and softwood lumber, deserve a government that anticipates challenges, faces them head-on and protects our jobs, our families and our economic future. In addition to these economic issues, it is clear that the Liberal government's weakness in managing our borders and our country's security contributed to Donald Trump's threat to impose 25% tariffs on Canadian products.

Conservatives have always advocated for concrete action to secure our borders and fight these threats while protecting our economy. Our vital industries like aluminum and lumber deserve a government that acts to protect the jobs and competitiveness of Canadian businesses. We must stand up for our workers, our companies and our economic future in the face of these external threats. The time has come to put an end to Liberal inaction and take concrete action to ensure Quebec and Canada are prosperous. Canada first. It is time for an election.

Official ReportEmergency Debate

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Madam Speaker, on a quick point of order, I misquoted an Economist article title. I would like Hansard corrected so that the correct title of the article is in Hansard. The title of the article, dated September 30, 2024, was, “Why is Canada’s economy falling behind America’s? The country was slightly richer than Montana in 2019. Now it is just poorer than Alabama.”

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I am sure the hon. member's record will be corrected.

The House resumed consideration of the motion.

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Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, after listening to many Conservatives talk about the issue of trade, I will note that previously, during round one of trade negotiations with the United States, when there was not that much pressure, we witnessed the Conservatives capitulate. In essence, they said it did not matter and to give the Americans whatever they wanted, doing so to sign off on a trade agreement. The government disagreed and continued to have those discussions, and ultimately we were able to deliver a much more substantive trade agreement with the United States as a result. We did not have to capitulate like the leader of the Conservative Party wanted us to.

Why does the hon. member believe that his leader would not do the same thing he did a few years ago and just capitulate, giving whatever the United States wants in order to sign off on an agreement? We have demonstrated that we—

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

The hon. member for Chicoutimi—Le Fjord.

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Conservative

Richard Martel Conservative Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

Madam Speaker, what worries me about this government is our Prime Minister's credibility in relation to President-elect Trump. We are very concerned, and I think the credibility is not there.

The way our Prime Minister negotiates is another concern. It seems to me that he is always a step behind, always reacting to events. We saw that in many files. In fact, when CUSMA was negotiated, the Americans were already negotiating with Mexico. The Prime Minister was dragging his feet and then, all of a sudden, he jumped on the bandwagon. I think our leader knows where he is going. He knows how to make decisions and he shows tremendous leadership.

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Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Madam Speaker, I just want to correct a few inaccuracies we heard from my colleague from Chicoutimi—Le Fjord.

First, it is thanks to the Bloc Québécois that there was a special committee on caribou, a special committee on the environment. I hope that he will acknowledge that. Second, the reason why aluminum from Saguenay—Lac‑Saint‑Jean is particularly competitive is that it is clean aluminum, as he says, or low-carbon aluminum. What would be the point of not having a price on carbon? That would put us at a disadvantage. Not having a price on carbon would put the aluminum smelters in Saguenay—Lac‑Saint‑Jean at a disadvantage.

What my colleague is saying is that we need to get rid of carbon pricing, the United States needs to make aluminum from coal and that would be great. It is rather inconsistent of him to say in his speech that we have the greenest aluminum but there should not be a price on carbon. How can we be competitive if we do not put a price on carbon? I would like him to explain that to me.