House of Commons Hansard #378 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was businesses.

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Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, I apologize.

The story says, “After two years of [the leader of the Conservative Party] as their leader, many Conservative MPs say they are much less free now than they were before his arrival.” It goes on, “The man who promised during his leadership run to make Canada ‘the freest country in the world’ maintains tight control over the actions of his caucus members.” It goes on extensively. One of my favourite quotes from a Conservative MP shows what Conservatives are saying about their leader: “He's the one who decides everything. His main adviser is himself”. It goes on: “The people around him are only there to realize the leader's vision.” That is the leader of the Conservative—

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

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Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Madam Speaker, on a point of order, you know as well as anybody that we often talk about different things when we are supposed to be focused on the particular topic at hand in this place, and you give us certain latitude. The member who is speaking goes on many rants, but he is far off topic. I am not sure what he is referencing that is on the table today.

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, on this point of order, I have listened to over 200 Conservative members stand up on a filibuster. I have seen the latitude that is provided. The number of cheap shots and character assassinations from the Conservative caucus directed toward the Liberal benches is truly record setting. I think the member needs to sit down, be calm—

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I am sorry, the hon. parliamentary secretary's point of order is actually a point of debate.

The hon. member for Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies knows full well that there is some latitude. I hear it on both sides, it is not one or the other, where some of what is said is not quite related, but they eventually bring it back to the motion or bill before the House. I am sure the hon. member will mention the bill on a number of occasions while he is referencing his documents.

The hon. parliamentary secretary should make it relevant, but as I said, there is some latitude. He should please make sure to reference how it affects the legislation before the House.

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, I absolutely will. If members would just be a bit patient, what I am talking about is the character of the leader of the Conservative Party. He has made a decision in regard to—

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

3:50 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

The hon. member for North Okanagan—Shuswap is rising on a point of order. This is becoming a regular thing. I ask the hon. member to quote the standing order he wants to raise.

The hon. member for North Okanagan—Shuswap.

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

November 28th, 2024 / 3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order because the member is talking about the character of members of the House. We know that is not appropriate language. He started out by speaking about misleading the House and stating that the Conservative Party was doing that. I want to point out that where we have been in the House for the past number of weeks is because the Liberal Party has misled Canadians—

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

3:50 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I have not heard the standing order yet; from what I hear, this is a point of debate. Again, I would hope that members will allow the hon. parliamentary secretary to finish, then he will take questions and comments. The hon. members will be able to elaborate on their thoughts at that point.

The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, let us follow the line here. The leader of the Conservative Party has dictated to his caucus that they have to say whatever he says. By the way, according to Conservative MPs, they are being watched; if they do not say the right thing, they are in trouble. If they say the right things and they repeat the slogans, they get the gold stars. I am not saying that; Conservative MPs are.

When we talk about the GST, the decision has been made. This gets to the flip-flop. We now have the leader of the Conservative Party telling Conservative members of Parliament that the law is they have to say no to their constituents about giving them a holiday on GST products. I find that shameful. At the end of the day, every Conservative is going to stand up and vote no to giving that GST break on numerous commodities to their constituents.

They will come up with all sorts of lame excuses as to why they say no. However, before they think about those lame excuses, I will remind them of what Erin O'Toole, the former leader of the Conservative Party, said. He said, “We will remove GST for the month of December on purchases from retail stores to provide immediate relief for cost of living.” This is what the then leader of the Conservative Party said. Interestingly, the current leader of the Conservative Party not only liked the idea but also retweeted Erin O'Toole's tweet. For Conservatives who say they are not on social media, I trust they read their election platform book. If we look on page 51, it talks about a “GST holiday”.

On the one hand, the Conservatives are saying it is a bad idea today. On the other, not that long ago, they were telling Canadians that this is what they would do if they were in government. I want members to tell me something: How do we define hypocrisy? One only needs to take a look at this policy or the policy on the price of pollution. The price of pollution was also made reference to earlier today; we had 300-plus Conservative candidates going around to Canadians, just as they did on the GST break. They said that, in December, they were going to give Canadians a GST tax break; by the way, they also supported a price on pollution, which is a carbon tax. The Conservatives supported it.

The election came, and we got the Conservatives doing a couple of somersaults or flip-flops on the ideas. Now, all of them say no to the GST break we are trying to provide, which they supported in the last election platform, with their former leader tweeting on the issue. We see that every day. They are going to say no to that; at the same time, they no longer support what they told Canadians in regard to the price on pollution.

To add insult to injury, instead of giving that tax break to constituents, they are also going to be cutting the carbon rebates, taking more money out of the pockets of Canadians. The Parliamentary Budget Officer has made it very clear that 80% of Canadians have a net gain when it comes to the carbon rebate versus the carbon tax. However, the leader of the Conservative Party has dictated to his minions that they have to say what he is saying; if they do not, they are in trouble.

We can ask the member for Abbotsford what happened to him when he went offside after the leader of the Conservative Party said he was going to fire the Governor of the Bank of Canada. Where is he nowadays? What role did he play prior to that statement? Conservatives know that if they are not in step with the leader of the Conservative Party, they do not have a place within that Conservative caucus. At the very least, they will be sitting way in the back. There are examples of that.

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Marty Morantz Conservative Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB

Madam Speaker, I have a serious question about the bill, and I hope to get a serious answer.

Just today, the Canadian Federation of Independent Business released a statement after surveying their members. They said that a majority of small firms oppose the GST holiday that the member's government is proposing. Only 4% of small businesses believe it will improve sales; furthermore, “75% say it will be costly and complicated to implement the holiday [and] 65% say there is not enough time to implement the change”. The bill is putting pressure on small businesses to comply with onerous, back of the napkin changes when they should be concentrating on making a living.

Why will the government not stand with small business?

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, I explained in my comments how Conservatives are going to come up with excuses. Where was that concern when Erin O'Toole said that he would do it for one month? We are doing it for two months. Where was that concern then?

Maybe I should ask for leave of the House to table what Erin O'Toole tweeted and the leader of the Conservative Party retweeted, showing that not only did he—

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

Does the hon. member have unanimous consent to table the document?

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

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Some hon. members

No.

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

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Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Madam Speaker, on a point of order, the member across the way was asked a very clear question. The only answer he seems to have is a diatribe about the Conservative Party. I wish he would just simply—

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

4 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

That is debate and not a point of order.

I would ask members, when they rise on points of order, that they quote the standing order they are rising on.

Questions and comments, the hon. member for Fleetwood—Port Kells.

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

4 p.m.

Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Madam Speaker, the Conservatives ran on putting a price on pollution, but they forgot about that. They then ran on an idea of cutting the GST for Christmas, but they forgot about that too.

It really concerns me when the Leader of the Opposition says he will not allow any attack on a woman's right to choose. What are the chances Conservatives forget about that when they get the chance?

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

4 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, I truly believe that the more Canadians get to know who the leader of the Conservative Party is, the more they will leave the Conservative Party in a very real and tangible way. Canadians know that, on the one hand, Conservatives say one thing; on the other hand, they will flip-flop with no qualms at all. This is a very good example.

All I wanted to do is table a one-page document—

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

4 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

I have mentioned on a couple of occasions this week that the hon. member is not to point to a document. He can quote from it, but he cannot say he is quoting from it. I would again ask him not to do that.

I would also ask members who want to participate to please wait until the appropriate time. For those heckling, I will not recognize them for questions and comments if they continue.

The hon. member can wrap up; there are other individuals interested in asking questions.

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

4 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, I am here advocating for my constituents, who see a great benefit of having a GST tax break on numerous products during the holiday season. I would like to think that every member, no matter what political party they are from, would recognize the value of giving their constituents a break and, therefore, vote in favour of the legislation. That is the responsible thing to do. The Conservatives—

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

4 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

Questions and comments, the hon. member for London—Fanshawe.

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

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NDP

Lindsay Mathyssen NDP London—Fanshawe, ON

Madam Speaker, the Canadian Federation of Independent Business is calling on the Department of Finance to give affected small businesses a minimum credit of $1,000 in their GST/HST accounts to offset the administrative and programming costs because of the impact this short-term GST cut will have on them. New Democrats are in favour of that and think that making this GST cut permanent is the way to go.

In light of that, is the government willing to move forward with that $1,000 credit for the losses businesses may have?

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

4 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, virtually from day one the government has been supportive of our small businesses, going through the pandemic to today. I would encourage members to look at their communities, the restaurants and many other companies that would have a direct economic benefit by this policy. Most important, our constituents, the people who we represent, would be given a bit of a break by our providing this GST break on numerous products at a time like December, because it is the holiday season and purchasing takes place, and January, which is a very difficult time of the year for many people. This is a wonderful thing to do. All of us should be voting unanimously for this legislation.

It is disappointing that the Conservatives have abandoned their support of this policy, because they did support it at one time. It was a good idea then, and it is a good idea today.

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Leah Taylor Roy Liberal Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

Madam Speaker, today, as always, I am pleased to rise to speak on behalf of the constituents of Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, especially since I am speaking on the positive measures that our government is implementing to support small businesses and restaurants, including the proposed removal of the taxes, GST and HST in some provinces, from groceries and other holiday items.

I would just note that many provinces, such as Ontario, and Newfoundland and Labrador, have already agreed that they will be removing their provincial part of the HST. They see the benefit of this through their leadership, even though the Leader of the Opposition cannot see the benefit.

Now, I understand the holiday period is one of the most critical times for small businesses. They are making a significant proportion of their annual sales, helping them to achieve their annual goals. We had small businesses, and I know that the holiday season made a huge difference. Consumer spending and encouraging people to come out and buy things is very important to these small businesses.

Thanks to our government's efforts, I am glad to report that Canadians from across the country will receive a tax break from December 14 to February 15, helping both consumers and businesses. This will make a meaningful difference for Canadians by making all food, as well as other holiday provisions and children's clothing and toys tax-free, providing real relief at the cash register. Importantly, it will also contribute to improved sales and greater revenues for businesses and restaurants from mid-December through to mid-February, as I have said.

Many small business stakeholder groups have expressed appreciation and support for this. For example, Restaurants Canada has said, “This is a big win for the restaurant industry...restores some much-needed hope to our industry and we are optimistic it will translate to increased spending at local restaurants across the country.” Ultimately, this could mean a boost of up to 5% or close to $1 billion in additional revenue. That is significant.

The Retail Council of Canada also welcomed the sales tax relief announced from the government, stating, “The removal of GST and HST on a sizable list of goods will create major tax savings for Canadians, along with economic stimulus for our industry.” Notably, they also reported that this stimulus will support businesses both through the holiday season and in the first six weeks of the new year, which is typically the slowest period of the year for retail and restaurants.

We expect the tax break will help restaurants and other small businesses across the country. I am glad that we can offer this support through the holiday season. I encourage Canadians to take advantage of the opportunity for savings and to shop local as they purchase gifts for friends and loved ones, and to patronize local restaurants if they are planning a holiday outing.

I also want to speak to many other initiatives our government is delivering to support small businesses. We will always support hard-working entrepreneurs who contribute significantly to their communities, support good jobs and enable economic growth. Our small and medium-sized businesses are the bedrock of our communities, and it is essential they thrive.

From digital transformation to greening our economy while creating well-paying jobs, our government has an economic plan that will ensure businesses across the country continue to grow and thrive. That is why we are delivering $2.5 billion to close to 600,000 small and medium-sized enterprises by the end of the year through the Canada carbon rebate. In fact, the rebate checks have gone out earlier than anticipated and started to be sent out this past week.

Reports say that 60% of small businesses are directly impacted by climate change. From floods and droughts to closures and employee absences caused by extreme weather events and illnesses, small businesses are feeling the impact of climate change. We are going to continue fighting it while putting money back into the pockets of Canadians and small businesses.

I am also pleased to report that we have negotiated agreements with both Visa and Mastercard to reduce their interchange fees by up to 27% or $1 billion over five years. This means that small businesses, like the businesses in my riding, will be able to keep more of their revenue and be able to invest in their operations, creating jobs and strengthening our overall economy. This will make a meaningful impact for these businesses, improving their bottom line. These are in addition to and build on our government's work to alleviate the global economic pressures that businesses have been facing, pressures such as inflation, interest rates hikes and worker shortages.

Then, to help Canadian businesses thrive even more, we have invested in them through the Canada summer jobs program, which we are doing again this year, and, in fact, that has just opened. There is also the My Main Street program. One of the first things that this government did to support small businesses was to lower the small business tax rate from 11% to 9%. We cut taxes. This was done in recognition of the vital role small businesses play in our economy and our communities.

In 2024, estimates are that small and medium-sized enterprises will save $6.2 billion because of this decrease made to the preferred small business tax rate bias. To encourage Canadian innovators to turn their ideas into businesses, we announced the creation of the Canadian entrepreneurs' incentive that would reduce the inclusion rate on capital gains to one-third on a lifetime maximum of $2 million in eligible capital gains. Combined with the increased $1.25-million lifetime capital gains exemption, the entrepreneurs' incentive would make eligible business owners better off when selling business shares worth up to $6.25 million.

The government's 2024 budget devoted $200 million to renewing the venture capital catalyst initiative, or VCCI, with a goal of supporting venture capital for entrepreneurs who are part of equity-deserving groups and investing in underserved communities as well as in entrepreneurs who live outside key metropolitan areas. This investment builds on the previous $821 million the government has already invested in VCCI, as well as the multiples of that amount that came in through private capital attracted by these investments and supportive of innovative Canadian businesses.

Study after study show us that increasing diversity in business ownership responds to market needs, strengthens economic resilience and boosts the bottom line. We also know it is the best way to support economic growth, so we have created a suite of initiatives to ensure that all business owners have access to the capital they need to start or grow their businesses. We have given young people the option to choose entrepreneurship as a viable career path. That is why we invested $60 million in Futurpreneur Canada to help the organization increase its capacity to support young Canadian entrepreneurs. These investments will support shared prosperity long into the future. We are boosting government procurement in small and medium-sized enterprises, as well as supporting indigenous enterprises. We understand that the best products and ideas often originate here in Canada and we want to ensure entrepreneurs are equipped with the tools they need to bring their ideas to fruition.

I am confident that these combined measures will continue to make a real, tangible difference for all businesses from coast to coast to coast. In summary, this government has made unprecedented investments to support Canada's small business community, from important tax relief to a range of incentives to support business owners and entrepreneurs, to the extensive COVID support measures through the pandemic period. No other government has done so much for small businesses.

In closing, I urge all members of Parliament to vote for the legislation before them, quickly and unanimously, to ensure business owners and consumers can receive the benefits of these tax breaks and have more money and less stress during the holiday season. I ask members to not be a Grinch, even if their leader is. I ask them to think of all the Whos in Whoville or perhaps all the constituents in their own riding and give them a well-deserved break this holiday season.

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON

Madam Speaker, I have a troubling comment. The member for Hamilton East—Stoney Creek was stating quite publicly that he is not going to support this. He was threatened with unspecified consequences, threatened with punishment, because he did not want to support this. He even said caucus was not even consulted. This is highly unusual.

Was the member consulted before the government brought this piece of legislation in, and which businesses in her community did she consult with? The business owners in my community are extremely worried about it, especially about the cost of reprogramming their computers and the costs that are going to be laid down on them. Could the member just let the House know if she was consulted, and then which business owners she consulted?

Government Business No. 43—Proceedings on Bill C‑78Government Orders

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Leah Taylor Roy Liberal Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON

Madam Speaker, in our caucus, we have been talking weekly about the affordability issues that Canadians are facing. We discuss this constantly. In fact, last week, we had a very robust discussion about such measures as these. We are constantly talking about it and I have been talking to business owners and consumers in my riding on a regular basis. Every time I am home, I go out door knocking, I go to events and I make sure that I check in with them. I know that they want some relief. I know that they are looking for these kinds of breaks this holiday season and I am so glad that our government has taken action to decide to do this. I just wish the Conservatives would get on board and help support their constituents too.