House of Commons Hansard #379 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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1:40 p.m.

Bloc

Xavier Barsalou-Duval Bloc Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères, QC

Madam Speaker, I want to comment on what my Conservative colleague said, because he quoted the British North America Act in the speech he just gave.

To strengthen his argument, he read excerpts from that act as though it were truth or fact. There is one point in particular that I would like to raise. He mentioned that the British North America Act was created by mutual agreement and that it was born of the will of the four founding provinces, namely Lower Canada, or Quebec, Upper Canada, or Ontario, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.

I do not know whether my colleague is aware of this, but that act was actually born of an alliance between Cartier's Conservatives and the Liberals and Conservatives of Upper Canada. Les Rouges of Lower Canada, or Quebec, were strongly opposed to it. Nova Scotia was also strongly opposed. It even voted unanimously against this infamous British North America Act, but that was never taken into consideration by London. New Brunswick and Nova Scotia sent a delegation to London to negotiate a different treaty than the one that was imposed.

The reality is that this is a colonial law that was never put to a vote by the people. Can my colleague concede that?

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1:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Madam Speaker, the Constitution of Canada is the only constitution we have in Canada. It may not be perfect, but it is all we have. That is the reality.

We are therefore going to respect the Canadian Constitution. In my opinion, the Constitution has a lot of issues. Maybe we will be able to improve it in the future, but we have to respect the Canadian Constitution, because the rule of law is a fundamental principle for all Canadian citizens. That holds true for people who support the Constitution and for those who take issue with the Constitution. Everyone has to respect the Constitution and obey the law across Canada.

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1:40 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Madam Speaker, with your permission, I will leave the year 1867 behind and come back to 2024. There are serious allegations of political interference. Some concern the Liberal Party, but there are also some that concern the Conservative Party. The leader of the Conservative Party refuses to get security clearance that would allow him to know all there is to know about former candidates and the situation in his own caucus.

The leader of the Bloc Québécois, the leader of the NDP and the leader of the Green Party all got their security clearance. Why are the Conservatives choosing ignorance over knowledge?

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1:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Madam Speaker, the answer is simple. We do not believe that this information should be kept secret. It has to be made public so that, when the next election comes around, Canadians have the information they need to make an informed choice based on the contents of this report.

We do not believe that this information should be secret. We believe that it should be made public. We believe that Canadians should know which of the candidates in the next election were compromised by foreign interference activities. Quite simply, that is the reason we are calling on the information to be released.

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1:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Madam Speaker, I would like to take the questions back to the debate that we are having today on the failure of the Liberals to provide the documents as ordered by the House and their cover-up.

The member gave perhaps one of the best speeches in this long, sordid tale of the constitutional requirements for the government, the Crown, to not defy the will of the people. What I found interesting is that the Privy Council office, the Prime Minister's department, is the one that ordered the redactions from departments. Could the member explain why he thinks the Prime Minister's personal department thought that it could redact, under the Access to Information Act and Privacy Act, the order of the House, when this was not part of the order of the House.

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1:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Madam Speaker, I go back to the 1991 case during the government of then prime minister Brian Mulroney, where the government of the day said that it was not going to hand over the documents related to the Solicitor General because of privacy concerns. The House ordered the documents be handed over, and the government complied at the following meeting of the Standing Committee on Justice and the Solicitor General.

As such, clearly Parliament has the right to these documents, and no statute law, common law nor anything can interfere with Parliament's absolute right to call for the production of documents. Again, I quote from section 15 of the Constitution Act, which makes that very clear. It says, “The Constitution of Canada is the supreme law of Canada, and any law that is inconsistent with the provisions of the Constitution is, to the extent of the inconsistency, of no force or effect”, and that would include the Privacy Act.

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1:45 p.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

Madam Speaker, the hon. member quoted quite a bit from the preamble of the Constitution and other laws. He had a lot of authorities quoting on the subject he was speaking on. I do agree with him that the House of Commons has the power to legislate, deliberate and hold the government to account, which we do. In one of the authorities he mentioned, he said, “on the surface appears to be without restriction”. I think this was a reference to the power to ask for documents.

The key word in that phrase is the word “appears”. It is not absolute. That is number one. Number two is that I think he also mentioned the parliamentarian or the minister in the U.K. Parliament sent to prison. I do not think it was for his refusal to produce documents. I think it may have been for his refusal to appear before the committee. Maybe the member can clarify.

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1:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Madam Speaker, in answer to the first question, the word “appears” is used, because the only restrictions on Parliament's absolute right to order the production of documents are that those documents be present in Canada, not extraterritorially, and that they exist. That is why they use the word “appears” in the previous sentence.

With respect to the question about the U.K. case, it was a legal opinion issued by Attorney General Geoffrey Cox to the cabinet of then prime minister Theresa May. This was a solicitor-client privilege document. The document was released in full, unredacted, publicly to the House of Commons after the Prime Minister was held in contempt and ordered to hand over the document.

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1:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Kram Conservative Regina—Wascana, SK

Madam Speaker, I am pleased to have the opportunity this afternoon to address a matter of critical importance to the health and future of our democracy: the dangers posed by corruption. A democratic government is founded on the principles of accountability, transparency and trust. When these principles are eroded by corruption, the very fabric of democracy is eroded as well, and public confidence in institutions is undermined.

History offers numerous examples of how corruption has tested long-standing democracies and the strength of democratic institutions. History has a lot to teach us about this very real problem. As the saying goes, those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

One of the most iconic symbols of corruption in modern-day governance has to be the administration of former U.S. president Richard Nixon and his infamous Watergate scandal. The Watergate scandal consisted of Richard Nixon's staff hiring burglars to break into the Democratic Party's headquarters to plant listening devices in their phones. When the burglars got caught, Nixon's re-election campaign paid them to stay quiet. Eventually, a Senate committee was established to investigate the matter.

When the Senate committee requested that Nixon hand over audio tapes of his White House meetings, Nixon initially refused. He then ordered his attorney general to fire the special prosecutor who was requesting the tapes. Only after a Supreme Court ruling did Nixon eventually relent and hand over all of the tapes unedited and unredacted. Shortly after, former president Nixon resigned in disgrace.

While it is good that, in this instance, the corruption was stopped and the bad actor resigned, the effects were long-lasting in democracies all around the globe, including Canada. Ever since, people have become very cynical and distrustful of politicians and assume those in power prioritize personal or partisan gain over the public interest. People assume politicians routinely engage in bribery, embezzlement and influence peddling.

These actions, whether they are real or merely perceived, erode public trust, distort policy-making and diminish the legitimacy of government. In democratic systems, citizens must entrust their elected representatives with the authority to make decisions on their behalf. When this trust is violated, the repercussions are severe: voter apathy increases, polarization deepens and public cynicism grows.

Canada, like any democracy, has experienced its share of corruption scandals. While no political party and no government is immune to such scandals, the current Liberal government has taken these scandals to another level. The SNC-Lavalin affair brought renewed scrutiny to the Liberal Party under the Prime Minister.

This controversy involved allegations that senior officials in the Prime Minister's office attempted to interfere with the judicial process to secure a deferred prosecution agreement for SNC-Lavalin, a major engineering firm facing criminal charges. When former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould refused to go along with the deferred prosecution agreement, the Prime Minister removed her from the position of attorney general in a move reminiscent of when Richard Nixon ordered his attorney general to fire the special prosecutor who was requesting the White House tapes.

Fortunately, Jody Wilson-Raybould blew the whistle and went public with allegations that she had faced undue pressure to intervene in the SNC-Lavalin case. While the Prime Minister denied any wrongdoing, the Ethics Commissioner ultimately found his actions violated ethics rules. The affair raised serious questions about the independence of Canada's judiciary, the accountability of elected officials and the influence of corporate interests on public policy. Unfortunately, the Prime Minister chose to violate the fundamental democratic principles of accountability, transparency and trust, instead of simply coming clean with Canadians.

Another recent example is the WE Charity scandal, in which the Liberal government awarded a sole-source contract worth $900 million to the WE Charity to administer a completely unnecessary grant program for students who did volunteer work. It later emerged that the Prime Minister and the then finance minister, Bill Morneau, had personal ties to the charity, raising concerns about conflicts of interest.

Both the Prime Minister and Bill Morneau faced investigations by the Ethics Commissioner, further damaging public trust. The scandal highlighted the dangers of conflicts of interest in government decision-making, the importance of rigorous ethical standards and the need for transparency in awarding public contracts. Without these safeguards in place, the trust Canadians place in their democratic institutions is further damaged.

The ArriveCAN app is another one of the Liberal government's recent scandals, complete with money disappearing in amounts that far exceed what Richard Nixon paid to the Watergate burglars. The incident showed how covering up criminal activity and a lack of transparency in government operations can erode public trust. While the ArriveCAN app was initially developed as a tool to facilitate efficient border crossings, its rollout and associated costs raised serious concerns about government accountability and oversight, and about the effective use of taxpayers' money.

According to the Auditor General, the ArriveCAN app cost over $54 million, while other vendors estimated they could have done the work for about $200,000. When a relatively straightforward $200,000 app balloons in cost to over $54 million, it cannot be due to simple incompetence or mismanagement. The only explanation is criminal activity. The government should have called in the auditors immediately and should have called the police, but only after months of audits, committee meetings and investigations was the truth finally brought to light.

The principles of accountability, transparency and trust have also been eroded by the most recent scandal, what I will call the “other Randy” scandal. The member of Parliament for Edmonton Centre owned and operated a medical supply company that bid on government contracts while he was a cabinet minister. The member's business partner in the two-person business informed a client he was providing updates to someone known as Randy. Then he said that he meant another Randy.

To date, despite having been asked repeatedly in question period, the member for Edmonton Centre has never identified who the other Randy may be. Everyone knows that the member was violating ethics rules and was in a conflict of interest, but even this was not enough to warrant his dismissal from cabinet. It was only after it was discovered that the member's company was self-identifying as wholly indigenous-owned while bidding on government contracts that the member for Edmonton Centre was removed from cabinet.

Just like Richard Nixon, the member for Edmonton Centre was desperate to cling to power regardless of the harm he was causing to the public trust and to the reputation of our democratic institutions. Once again, the principles of accountability, transparency and trust were all broken under the Liberal government.

The actions of the Liberal government over the last nine years have led to an erosion of public trust in our democratic institutions. More and more citizens perceive that their government prioritizes partisan or personal gain over the public good. The government's actions have led to a weakening of democratic institutions. Corruption undermines the independence and integrity of democratic institutions, such as the judiciary and the public service. The SNC-Lavalin affair in particular raised concerns about political interference in the judicial process, the absence of which is a cornerstone of democratic governance.

The government's actions have led to an increase in voter apathy. Scandals contribute to voter disengagement by fostering a sense of futility and disillusionment. People see a few crooked politicians on the news and assume that they are just the tip of the iceberg and that all politicians must be corrupt. This is particularly dangerous in a democracy, in which active participation is essential to hold leaders accountable.

Robust mechanisms need to be in place to ensure transparency and accountability in government. Independent bodies, such as the offices of the Auditor General and the Ethics Commissioner, play a critical role in identifying and addressing corruption. However, when these institutions discover problems and ring alarm bells, the government cannot simply sweep the matter under the carpet or let reports sit on a shelf to collect dust. The rules must be followed, and wrongdoers must be held to account. This brings us to the Liberals' most recent scandal and the subject of this afternoon's debate: the documents pertaining to the Sustainable Development Technology Canada Fund that the Liberals refuse to hand over.

Earlier this year, the Auditor General released a scathing report on Sustainable Development Technology Canada, or SDTC, and its mismanagement of public funds. Here are some of her findings: There was $334 million handed out to projects in which board members held a conflict of interest, with over 186 cases. A staggering $58 million was handed out to ineligible projects. What were these projects? Some of them did not develop a single new technology; others made outlandish claims about their environmental benefits that could not stand up to the slightest scrutiny. However, they were funded.

Let us not forget that the Auditor General looked at only a sample of SDTC transactions. She looked at roughly half of the transactions and found that 82% of them were conflicted. We can easily surmise that the remaining cases were just as conflicted and that the sums of money involved were hundreds of millions of dollars more.

In December 2023, a whistle-blower testified before the House of Commons Committee. In one particularly stark statement, the whistle-blower said, “Just as I was always confident that the Auditor General would confirm the financial mismanagement at SDTC, I remain equally confident that the RCMP will substantiate the criminal activities that occurred within the organization.”

Enough is enough. In the same way as Richard Nixon finally relented and handed over the tapes related to the Watergate scandal, it is time for the Liberals to relent. It is time for the unredacted documents related to the SDTC scandal to be handed over to the RCMP so that it can do its job and get to the bottom of this.

Democracy is fragile and vulnerable, and it is a system of government that requires constant vigilance to preserve. Corruption, whether it occurs in Canada or elsewhere, poses a grave threat to the principles of accountability, transparency and trust that underpin our democratic institutions. As members of Parliament and as citizens of a democratic country, we must demand accountability from our leaders, which is exactly what we are doing here today. Let us learn from history and ensure that Canada's democracy remains resilient and true to its founding principles. It is time for the Liberals to hand over the documents.

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November 29th, 2024 / 2:05 p.m.

Pierrefonds—Dollard Québec

Liberal

Sameer Zuberi LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Diversity

Madam Speaker, I want to thank the member opposite for his speech just now.

It is ironic, and interesting, that the member highlighted Nixon and Watergate, as well as how democracy must be protected. Certainly, Nixon is a shame on democracy. He also highlighted how we must protect our public institutions and have faith in our democracy. However, how can Canadians trust this when the leader of the official opposition refuses to get his security clearance?

It is ironic that the member mentioned Nixon, and at the same time, the Leader of the Opposition is refusing to be security cleared. It boggles the mind. I do not get it. Thus far, I have not heard a satisfactory answer today in this chamber from the Conservative Party on why its leader refuses to be security cleared. Could the hon. member answer that question?

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2:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Kram Conservative Regina—Wascana, SK

Madam Speaker, I have never had that conversation with my leader, but if the hon. member or members of the government feel strongly about this issue, they can make it part of their legislative agenda. If they have ideas about enhanced security clearances that should be in place for any member of Parliament, they can table a bill to that effect.

In the meantime, we must deal with the situation that the Liberals refuse to address, and that is why they will not hand over the SDTC documents to the RCMP so the hon. member and the government can move forward with their legislative agenda, however they wish it to look.

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2:05 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Madam Speaker, when we were first elected to this place, I remember the member being quite hopeful in being able to represent the good people of Regina—Wascana. However, since that time, we have seen him consistently repeat the message box from the Leader of the Opposition. He has not one time brought up the very real concerns of the people of Regina—Wascana. I know many of his constituents are disappointed by that. They are disappointed that he always reads from the script. They are disappointed that he has no voice in this chamber. They are disappointed that the Conservatives keep whipping members and printing out sheets that tell them exactly what to say.

On behalf of the good people of Regina—Wascana, I ask the member to please focus on any one issue that relates to the good people of Regina—Wascana, perhaps even, as his parents were teachers, the teachers' strike in Saskatchewan. He has not once stood up for the good people of Saskatchewan. Can he now today stand up for the people of Saskatchewan and call for fair wages for teachers?

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2:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Kram Conservative Regina—Wascana, SK

Madam Speaker, where do I begin? I would say that the voters of Regina—Wascana do not like it when $400 million of taxpayer money disappears. I do not know why the hon. member from Edmonton would think that would possibly be okay.

As for the biography he obviously read about my parents on my website, yes, my parents are retired teachers. If the hon. member is interested in schools and education policy, I would invite him to run in the next provincial election in his home province, because I strongly suspect that after the next federal election, he will be handing out résumés and looking for something to do.

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2:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Madam Speaker, my colleague talked quite a bit about the situation that happened at SDTC, and I am wondering if he can expand on it. What we are discussing and what the House is seized with is the over 180 instances of conflicts of interest that were determined by the Auditor General. The Auditor General did not even audit all of the contracts that went through SDTC, so there could potentially be even more.

When we look at the scope of this, how big it is, it is potentially one of the biggest scandals in Canadian history, so members can understand why the Liberals do not want to bring forth the documents. They are obviously trying to hide something. The documents they have brought forward have been heavily redacted.

I am wondering if the member can speak to how big this is and how important it is right now in Canadian history.

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2:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Kram Conservative Regina—Wascana, SK

Madam Speaker, I would like to thank the hon. member for all the good advocacy she does on behalf of her constituents.

It really is reminiscent of the Watergate scandal of the 1970s in the sense that there always seems to be more to this story and this scandal. As I mentioned in my speech, it is not just $400 million. That was just the sample the Auditor General audited, so it is highly probable that it is much bigger than that. The Watergate scandal of Richard Nixon looks like small potatoes compared to the scandal currently paralyzing Parliament and the Liberal government.

This is an issue of corruption that has not received the attention it deserves in the general public, probably because Canadians have become so cynical of the government given the scandal after scandal we have seen from it over the last several years.

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2:10 p.m.

Conservative

Alex Ruff Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

Madam Speaker, the member highlighted the concerns around transparency and representing our constituents. When I spoke to this parliamentary privilege motion, I could not believe the amount of feedback when I asked my constituents about just how frustrated they are with the government's unwillingness to comply with the will of this democratic chamber, of Parliament, in turning over the documents. In fact, over 91% of the 500-plus replies I got back indicated that they think the government should follow the will of Parliament.

I am wondering if the member could elaborate a little more on what he has been hearing from his constituents in his great riding?

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2:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Kram Conservative Regina—Wascana, SK

Madam Speaker, what I am hearing from my constituents is that they have had enough of all of the Liberal scandals. I enumerated quite a few of them during my speech, whether it was SNC-Lavalin, the “other Randy” scandal or the ArriveCAN app. They all just blur together, and people say they have lost confidence in the government and in the Liberals. It is time to call an election, send the Liberals out to pasture and bring in a new Conservative government.

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2:10 p.m.

Liberal

Sameer Zuberi Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Madam Speaker, I want to note first off that, in the member from Regina—Wascana's response to the Conservative member for Kelowna—Lake Country, he said that Parliament is paralyzed, but it is paralyzed because of the actions of the Conservative Party.

With respect to the member's answer to me, though, he said he has not yet had a conversation with his leader about why he is not getting a security clearance. Will he commit to speaking with his leader to make sure he gets a security clearance and tell us why he is not doing so? Will you have that conversation with your leader?

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2:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

No, I will not.

The hon. member for Regina—Wascana has the floor.

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2:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Kram Conservative Regina—Wascana, SK

Madam Speaker, let me be perfectly clear. The reason Parliament has not moved forward with its legislative agenda is because the Liberals continue to block the handing over of documents to the RCMP. That is like saying Richard Nixon filibustered Congress for not handing over his tapes. We have to comply with the law. The Liberal government has to comply with the law. If we see something, we need to say something. If we see 400 million dollars' worth of corruption, we need to call in the RCMP so it can investigate the matter.

As for talking with my leader, I think the hon. member is more than capable of doing so himself the next time he sees him.

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2:10 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Madam Speaker, I obviously struck a nerve in my last question with the member, who never speaks about Regina—Wascana issues and only speaks from the talking points he is given by his leader.

To that point, on the matter of the last question regarding a security clearance, I think I need to lay this out very clearly for the member. The issues of national security are so critically important that national leaders in our country get briefed on those particularly important details, and we do not release them publicly because our political adversaries, including Russia, would use that information against us. That is why we have a security clearance program in this country that allows MPs and leaders to be cleared by that process to get confidential information on how foreign interference could be impacting our parties.

The leader of my party got the security clearance and found no evidence of such things. Why are the Conservatives hiding from getting a security clearance that they should be getting to protect Canadians?

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2:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Kram Conservative Regina—Wascana, SK

Madam Speaker, I take considerable exception to the hon. member's statement that I never stand up for or speak about Regina—Wascana.

During the pandemic, Nav Canada was planning to shut down the air traffic control tower at Regina International Airport. I advocated to keep it open. During the RCMP mass casualty—

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2:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

We have run out of time.

Resuming debate, the hon. member for Portage—Lisgar has the floor.

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2:15 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Madam Speaker, it is always a privilege and a pleasure to rise in this place. On this particular issue, I rose last in early October to speak to the House about the Liberals' failure to turn over documents on the green slush fund as requested by the House of Commons' duly elected members and agreed to by the Speaker.

Two months later, it is pretty obvious the government is more concerned about what damage might emerge from handing over these documents and the consequences that may follow. Instead of moving ahead with its own agenda, as flawed as it may be, it is choosing to let this place live in gridlock. Then, from its ivory tower, it stands and lectures us on how our quest for transparency is impeding the business of this place.

There is a pretty easy solution to this. The Liberals could just hand over the documents, as requested by the elected members of this place. If they had done that by now, we would not be here today. I would not be speaking on this privilege debate today. They could do it today. Recognizing that my time will run short at adjournment, I will come back Monday morning to conclude my speech and take hopefully decent questions from members of the NDP-Liberal government. However, I am willing to sacrifice and cede that time if the government were to just do the right thing and hand over the documents. It is a Friday afternoon. It is a dump. The government can get rid of it. Maybe nobody will notice. The reason that it is obviously hiding the documents and refusing to do so is because it is very worried about those consequences.

I mentioned the legislative agenda of the government, if we want to call it that. Let us review where we are at to perhaps understand why it might not want to move forward with its own agenda.

Of course, the Minister of Justice has the Orwellian bill, Bill C-63, a widely panned piece of legislation that would see Canadians arrested for speech the Liberals deem impermissible, speech that they do not like. George Orwell's dystopian future is proving eerily correct under the Liberal government, with thought crime set to be added to our legal books should that bill ever pass.

Then we have Bill C-65, the electoral participation act, that is also under way in theory. Maybe we should call it by what it more appropriately would be, the “ensuring the leader of the NDP's pension act”. Since the NDP and the Liberals got together and cut some backroom deals to get another payout on the backs of hard-working Canadian taxpayers—

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2:15 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order relating to relevance. The member is bringing up pensions. His leader's pension is worth over $1 million, 50 times bigger than—