House of Commons Hansard #379 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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12:45 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, the member does have to contain himself. Having said that, just so the member really has an understanding, the leaders of the NDP, the Bloc and the Greens all have the security clearance that enables them to deal with the issue of foreign interference. The only leader in the House of Commons who has chosen not to get it is his own leader. It begs the question. Why?

I believe that there is something in the past, with respect to the leader of the Conservative Party, that is preventing him from getting that security clearance. The member that he is sitting by will tell us that I have raised about a couple hundred interventions, I think he said. This is nothing new. I have been raising this issue for weeks now.

I would encourage the member to listen, in terms of what is taking place and—

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12:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member for Edmonton Griesbach.

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12:45 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Madam Speaker, I want to thank my hon. colleague for his speech, the many speeches he has made in this place and the wisdom he bestows upon all of us, though I am sure we can all argue and debate the truth of them.

However, I do agree with the member on one critical fact, which is the leader of the official opposition will not get his security clearance. He will not get his security clearance, likely because, and maybe the member can clarify, he is implicated in that process. If he was implicated in that process, maybe it would be convenient for a leader to be shielded from that reality. If he is shielded from the truth, he can have willful ignorance.

Is that the case here?

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12:45 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, let us think about it. It was not that long ago when the Conservatives were jumping up and asking about the issue of foreign interference. They were questioning it all the time. All of a sudden, the leadership of the Conservative Party has been interfered with, potentially by foreign interference.

By the way, there are now Conservatives who have allegations of foreign interference against them and they have been been quickly silenced. Now we wait for the Conservative Party leader to do the honourable thing and get the security clearance so that instead of protecting himself, we can be protecting the interests of Canadians. That does beg the question as to why he is scared to get that security clearance. I believe, and I have been saying this for weeks now, it is because he has something in his past that he wants to hide.

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12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Madam Speaker, I have a question for the hon. member across the way. Earlier in his speech, he indicated that two past leaders of the Conservative Party left the party. Something is interesting, and maybe he can help me understand this.

We have been canvassing in the GTA, and I am hearing the opposite from constituents who are saying to me that the Liberal Party has left them, and they no longer feel comfortable that the Liberal Party can support them. They want a carbon tax election so that our common-sense leader can make things right and get rid of the Liberals once and for all.

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12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, let us hear what Joe Clark, former Progressive Conservative prime minister, said. He said, “I think it's a party that does not respect the progressive traditions of the Progressive Conservative Party and, consequently, does not reflect the country.... My party is over.” That is from Joe Clark. We have—

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12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

There is no more time. The hon. member will probably have an opportunity later.

Resuming debate, the hon. member for King—Vaughan.

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12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Madam Speaker, once again, I rise in the House to speak to the privilege motion. In case anyone at home is confused about this, it is all about why we are debating this motion. Back in June, members of Parliament passed a motion demanding that all documents related to Sustainable Development Technology Canada be transferred to the RCMP for investigation within 30 days. The government did not do this.

On our first day back in the fall, the opposition House leader raised a question of privilege. The Speaker of the House agreed that the government ignored an order of the House, and it has since ignored the Speaker's ruling. The government will argue that it did not ignore the ruling and did, in fact, table the requested documents. However, what it tabled was 29,000 pages of black ink. The documents were almost completely redacted.

What have they redacted? What are they hiding? My colleagues and I have asked every day in the House for the Liberals to adhere to the orders of the House and turn over all the reports unredacted for the RCMP to investigate. To date, they still refuse. Why? Of course, the government is going to say that the Prime Minister's department, the Privy Council Office, has the right to redact documents. However, the act actually says that if a body such as Parliament were to order the production of documents, the Privy Act cannot be used as an excuse to redact information.

Let us go back a bit. Why did the House demand that the SDTC documents be handed over to the RCMP in the first place? The Auditor General did an audit for five years of SDTC. She sampled only about half of the transactions, 226 transactions, the board approved, and the Auditor General found that 186 of the 226 transactions were conflicted. In other words, 82% of those transactions. This means that only 18% were in good faith. If our kids came home from school with a score of 18%, they would need to do some explaining.

What do these conflicts of interest really mean? They mean the Liberal board members in charge of distributing funds that were meant to help Canadian companies develop and deploy sustainable technologies were funnelling money into their own pockets. Why do I say Liberal board members? It is because the chair of the board was hand-picked by the Prime Minister himself, ignoring any kind of fair hiring process.

Let us start with her. She approved $390 million in funding for projects that had extremely disturbing conflicts. According to the Auditor General, the Liberals' green slush fund handed out $58 million to projects without a promise that the contribution agreement terms were met. Another $58 million went to 10 projects deemed ineligible, as they could not prove an environmental benefit or were not developing green technologies. Finally, there was $334 million in over 186 cases where SDTC board members held a conflict of interest.

Here is an interesting piece of information that my colleague from South Shore—St. Margarets shared previously. The Prime Minister's far-left radical environment minister is profiting from Sustainable Development Technology Canada. One may ask how this is possible. Prior to his election, he was a paid lobbyist for a green technology investment firm called Cycle Capital. Cycle Capital is a venture capital firm that has received investments of over $200 million from the Liberal green slush fund since it was created. Remember that these funds were approved by the Prime Minister's hand-picked board members, including the environment minister's long-time personal friend Andrée-Lise Méthot. Interestingly, Andrée-Lise Méthot was not only hand-picked by the Prime Minister to sit on the board of SDTC but is also the founder and owner of Cycle Capital.

However, it gets even better. During her time on the board, companies in which Cycle Capital was invested received more than $100 million of taxpayer money. These taxpayer dollars inflated the value of Cycle Capital. Since the Prime Minister and his corrupt band of merry men took office, Cycle Capital has grown from $200 million to over $600 million. Let us connect the dots. Who benefits from a company whose value is inflated by taxpayer dollars? It is shareholders, of course. Guess who continues to hold shares in Cycle Capital. It is the far-left, radical, orange suit-wearing environment minister. This is the very definition of a conflict of interest.

As we all know, the tone of any organization starts at the top, and at the top of the Liberal-NDP government, the tone is corruption. As my colleague from Lambton—Kent—Middlesex stated the other day during her intervention, “The government has a pattern of giving its friends hundreds of millions of dollars, taxpayer dollars, while shirking responsibility for all it has done to destroy Canadians' livelihoods.” She took us all on a walk down scandal lane and revealed 68 of the Liberal scandals. In my previous intervention, I listed some of them and this morning I will mention a few more. I cannot possibly list all of them, as I only have 20 minutes, but here are a few.

There was the pressure put on the first indigenous justice minister and attorney general, Jody Wilson-Raybould, by the Prime Minister to get Liberal donor SNC-Lavalin off the hook. He fired her when she refused to the help with the cover-up. There was the “people experience things differently” response by the Prime Minister to groping allegations. There was the WE Charity scandal, for which the Prime Minister prorogued Parliament to escape scrutiny. There was the Prime Minister's assault on an NDP member of Parliament on the floor of the House of Commons. The was export of personal protective equipment to China during a pandemic and giving hundreds of thousands of dollars in ventilator contracts to Liberal Party insider Frank Baylis.

There were the fake charges against Mark Norman, the illegal invocation of the Emergencies Act and the fabrication of reasons to justify its illegal use. The was also the trampling of Canadians with horses and the seizing of Canadians' bank accounts.

There was the Winnipeg lab scandal and the Public Health Agency tracking scandal. There was the rampant abuse of staff in the office of the former governor general, who was appointed by the Prime Minister. There was the Governor General's $100,000 private jet parties and the Liberals' connection to an illegal casino magnate.

There were the vaccine delays, the Prime Minister's racist costumes on an official trip to India, his racist blackface costumes and the mass airport delays and cancellations. The was the decriminalization of hard drugs. There were the over 72 secret orders in council. There was the Liberals' diplomats attending a party at the Russian embassy during the Ukrainian war and the minister who gave a $17,000 contract to a Liberal-aligned media firm. There were also efforts to obtain unwarranted border searches of electronics and restrictions on online free speech.

There was the $11 million in renovations to the Prime Minister's cottage, the $8 million barn built at Harrington Lake and a Jamaican vacation that cost taxpayers at least $162,000. There was the increase of the carbon tax during an energy crisis and the misinformation to Canadians about electoral reform. There was the skipping of the first National Day for Truth and Reconciliation so that the Prime Minister could go surfing in Tofino. There was the elimination of mandatory minimums for gun offences while going after law-abiding firearms owners and the Prime Minister's party in Scotland while Canadians were under lockdown. There were the failed reforms of the ATIP system and the contracts awarded to government employees without proper bids, such as those for GC Strategies for the ArriveCAN app, or, should I say, the arrive scam app. There were also the Liberal cover-ups of foreign interference and the compromised Liberal MPs who continue to sit in the House of Commons.

There was the Bernardo and Magnotta prisoner transfer, which is a huge one since there has been a 75% increase in violence against women in this country due to the Liberals' misguided laws. There was the former Nazi scandal invitation and his recognition in the House of Commons, and the delay in recognizing the IRGC as a terrorist organization.

We have skyrocketing debt, skyrocketing inflation, skyrocketing addictions and skyrocketing overdose deaths. After nine years of the Prime Minister, everything is broken. He has skyrocketed the debt to the point where we are spending more on the interest of the debt than we do on health care. He has also skyrocketed the cost of groceries, sending more than two million people per month to food banks.

He has skyrocketed crime with his catch-and-release bail and the elimination of mandatory minimum sentences for major crimes. Auto theft is up 200%, violence against women is up 75%, and the Prime Minister's legalization of hard drugs has seen the pop-up of drug dens near children's schools and playgrounds and has caused a massive number of overdose deaths.

Now we have the Liberals' attempt to bribe us with our own money in the form of a $250 cheque to those who earn $150,000 net income. I repeat, that is net income, meaning after-tax dollars, but there is nothing for those who truly need supports. Here is what the Liberals forgot to tell us: They will borrow more cash and print more money, which by their own admission will lead to higher inflation and devalue our dollar. More borrowing means interest rates are likely to stay higher for longer. We are already seeing evidence of this in the bond market. Borrowing more means our kids and grandkids will foot the bill. This is simply short-term gain for long-term pain.

If the Prime Minister is so confident in his economic policies, why does he not let the people decide and call an election? He can run on his failed economic ideology, while common-sense Conservatives would run on our common-sense plan to axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget and stop the crime.

Axing the tax would permanently lower the price of gas, groceries and home heating. We would build the homes by axing the sales tax on new homes, sparking 30,000 extra homes built each year and effectively lowering prices. This week the member for Winnipeg North asked why we should listen to “the self-serving leader of the Conservative Party". I really hope the member would take some time to reflect on his own party and the actions of his leader. He may come to realize it is the Liberal leader, the Prime Minister, who is self-serving, as evidenced by the list of growing scandals designed to line his pockets and those of his friends.

It is the Conservative Party that cares about Canadians, all Canadians, not just powerful insiders. Perhaps he and all members on the other side of the House will eventually realize the words coming out of their mouths do not match the actions of their party. They have spent millions and millions of taxpayer dollars on their friends, while Canadians struggle to make ends meet.

I imagine the good that $400 million could have done, the deserving lives it could have changed, and I ask this: Is it not the very definition of self-serving to ignore the ruling of the House to provide documents that could self-incriminate? Once again, the members on that side of the House like to project their character flaws onto us.

As the Liberals' popularity plummets in the polls, they continue to gaslight Canadians. What they do not seem to realize is that Canadians have had enough. Canadians need a common-sense plan that puts Canadians first. Common-sense Conservatives would put Canada first. We would build our military and secure our borders. Canadians want a prime minister with the brains and backbone to stand up for this country, a leader who knows how to play chess, not checkers. In the words of Sir Wilfrid Laurier, “Canada first...and Canada always.” It is time to stop the corruption, axe the tax to help all Canadians and call a carbon tax election today.

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1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Chandra Arya Liberal Nepean, ON

Madam Speaker, I listened to the hon. member's speech. She mentioned economic policies, so I have a question.

The Canadian economy is improving. Inflation has come down to 2%. Interest rates have been cut four or five times. Though the economy is changing for good, the lingering effects of high inflation and high interest rates are still affecting Canadians, and the government is taking steps to help those Canadians in need.

I would like to ask two things. First, why did she vote against the government's measures cutting the sales tax to help Canadians? Second, I would like to ask her why she is not telling Canadians they will not receive the Canada carbon rebate they are getting now, if her proposals are approved.

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1:10 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Madam Speaker, I am a little concerned about those questions because let us look at the facts. Number one, the Liberals are bribing us with our own money. Number two, if they feel they have done such a great job for Canadians, can they explain to Canadians watching today why over two million Canadians have to use food banks? My grandfather came here in 1950 and food banks were not even in existence because people could work and pay for their own groceries without having to depend on food banks. We need to take this country back and the only way we are going to do it is with the common-sense leader of the common-sense Conservatives for the Canadian people.

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1:10 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

Madam Speaker, I would like to come back to two specific points in my colleague's speech.

She talked about the $250 cheque that would go out to those making up to $150,000 in net income, as she said. In Quebec, that is roughly equivalent to $270,000 a year. The government is going to go further into debt to send cheques to these people, and yet it is excluding people with no employment income, who are often the most vulnerable. Seniors and people with disabilities come to mind.

I would also like her to comment on the two-month GST break that excludes nearly all basic expenses for the most vulnerable households, such as taxes on heating, electricity, telephone and Internet. As everyone knows, groceries and rent are already tax-free.

Would it not have been wiser to simply double the GST rebate to target those who really need it?

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1:10 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Madam Speaker, that is an excellent point. I want to say a few things. First of all, we have a food bank in my riding called the Sai Dham Food Bank that I happen to assist in many different ways. It serves 4,000 seniors every single month by delivering food baskets. In one month alone, it delivered 5.42 million meals. That is unheard of in this country. We need to ensure we help the most vulnerable.

Let me ask another question. Do the members of Parliament need that $250? No. The government is bribing us with our own tax dollars. It is going to shoot up inflation and we are all going to have to pay for it, including the most vulnerable. We need to get back to the basics. For instance, we need to stick to a budget. The Prime Minister said that “the budget will balance itself”. He needs a lesson. The budget does not balance itself; it is our responsibility to ensure that we budget.

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1:10 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Madam Speaker, I listened to my colleague's speech. I think the Conservatives have forgotten that, although it is not perfect, the measure that was passed yesterday will still eliminate the tax on babies' diapers, car seats, children's clothing and shoes, and food that is processed and prepared in grocery stores, like sandwiches or chickens that have been roasted in store. This will really help the average person. It seems that the only tax cuts the Conservatives want are those for CEOs and big companies that make millions of dollars in profit.

Another meaningful NDP action is the dental care program. Already, one million Canadians and Quebeckers have had their dentist's fees paid thanks to this program.

If, by some misfortune, her party were to take power, can my colleague commit to maintaining the dental care program, which is helping her constituents and seniors across the country?

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1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Madam Speaker, the $250 is our tax dollars. We are going to have to pay it back.

As far as the member's claim that he wants to help people who need the money, all of us MPs who will be receiving the $250 do not need it. It should go to people who need it: people with disabilities and seniors who cannot afford to feed themselves and are going to food banks. I have volunteered at a seniors home for over a decade and when I speak to seniors in my community I hear it day in and day out: They do not understand why their taxes and utility bills continue to go up. It is because of the carbon tax. The only way to bring these issues to light is to reduce and get rid of the carbon tax and to call a carbon tax election now and let the common-sense Conservatives with our common-sense leader lead this country back.

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November 29th, 2024 / 1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Terry Dowdall Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

Madam Speaker, in my riding I hear mostly from seniors who actually watch what is going on here in the House of Commons. The one thing I get asked continually is, “What about us? What have we done? Why are we forgotten?” It is continuous and now we have seen another package, seniors are not going to get the $250, so they are upset.

My question to my colleague as the critic for seniors is this: What could we do, with all these scandals and all the money out there, to help seniors in our ridings and across Canada when we look at the amount of wasted money the government has spent the last little while?

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1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Madam Speaker, I visit seniors in my community on a regular basis and I am hearing exactly the same thing as this member. Recently we were canvassing in the GTA and the seniors I met were very upset. They are now looking at leaving their homes and either trying to live with their children or find an encampment because they cannot afford to stay in their homes. Anyone who has volunteered with seniors knows that when a senior is moved out of the environment they are accustomed to, they do not survive. That is the sad reality of the Liberal mismanagement of money that has caused this inflationary situation we all face in Canada.

My seniors and the seniors I have spoken to in this country have all said the same thing: that we need a common-sense Conservative to lead us back to the way things were. That is going to happen with our leader.

Call an election and we will make it happen.

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1:15 p.m.

Pierrefonds—Dollard Québec

Liberal

Sameer Zuberi LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Diversity

Madam Speaker, I would like to ask the member opposite, and I would like her not to evade the question, why her leader will not get security cleared.

Canadians want to know this. I want to know this. Maybe she has the answer to why her leader is not getting security cleared. It baffles me. Anybody who serves in this Parliament should be ready and willing to personally be security cleared, especially party leaders. I would like to know, without any evasion, why her leader has not been security cleared.

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1:15 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Madam Speaker, could you please call quorum?

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1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

We will check.

And the count having been taken:

Yes, there is quorum.

The hon. member for King—Vaughan.

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1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Madam Speaker, the Prime Minister has to release the names to Canadians so we can tackle the situation and discover who is involved with foreign interference. He is the only one who can do it. Let us get it done.

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1:15 p.m.

NDP

Bonita Zarrillo NDP Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

Madam Speaker, the member raised an absolutely true point. Seniors having to be dislocated and evicted from their homes is a death sentence for many. That is happening because of financialized landlords.

People in my riding have come to my office to say they received an above-guideline rent increase, forcing them out of their homes. As well, I have been in buildings that were getting rezoned, where people in their seventies have asked me to find them a place to live, a nursing home, because they cannot afford to live in these financialized, purpose-built rental buildings they had lived in for 10, 20 or 30 years. It is disgusting. The Conservatives continue to protect those corporate landlords who are killing seniors by displacing them out of their homes.

What does the member have to say about the Conservatives' terrible record on protecting financialized landlords?

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1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Anna Roberts Conservative King—Vaughan, ON

Madam Speaker, seniors need our help. I agree with that, but what the member fails to remember is that the Liberals, along with the NDP, have been in power for nine years. They have done absolutely nothing to ensure homes are built for our seniors, for our children and for people who cannot afford it. Maybe instead of voting with the Liberals, the New Democrats should look into their own souls and decide what is right for this country.

I will tell members what is right for this country: a common-sense Conservative to bring back common sense for the Canadian people.

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1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Madam Speaker, never has so much effort been put into renewing Parliament as has been over the past decade. Over $5 billion is being spent on renovating Parliament Hill.

Centre Block, with its iconic Peace Tower, has been shuttered since December 2018 so that magnificent building can be restored. Tonnes of rock have been blasted out of the Canadian Shield. Some 40,000 truckloads of rock have been removed to create a pit 75 feet deep for a new underground structure. The leaded windows in the building have been taken out and are being restored. The copper roof has been replaced. The stonework is being repointed. The woodwork is being restored, and the mechanicals in the building are being completely overhauled.

Confederation Building has had its windows completely removed and restored, and the outside of the building has been cleaned and repointed. The outside of East Block has been restored. its stonework has been cleaned and repointed and the copper roof redone. Here in West Block, the quadrangle has been turned into an atrium that houses the glass chamber we now sit in. The stonework looks as bright as the day it was laid, over a century and a half ago. While Centre Block is still undergoing work, the buildings on Parliament Hill are sparkling with new renovations.

However, Parliament is more than its buildings. The essence of Parliament is its procedure and practices, its privileges, its powers and immunities and its authorities. The buildings are secondary. While the buildings gleam and shine, particularly at night, the authorities of Parliament do not. The $5 billion in renovations on Parliament Hill belies a Parliament that is unable to do its job, a Parliament that is unable to fulfill its constitutional role as a legislative and deliberative body that holds the government to account, a Parliament that is unable to deliberate about the Sustainable Development Technology Canada fund because it is unable to get the documents related to that fund, and a Parliament that is unable to hold the government to account because it is unable to get the documents about the Sustainable Development Technology fund.

Let us start from first principles. Our Constitution is the supreme law of this land. The preamble and section 18 of the Constitution Act, 1867 lay out the privileges, immunities and powers of the House. The beginning of the preamble reads:

WHEREAS the Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick have expressed their Desire to be federally united into One Dominion under the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, with a Constitution similar in Principle to that of the United Kingdom:

Section 18, which was reiterated by Parliament itself in section 4 of the Parliament of Canada Act, reads:

The privileges, immunities, and powers to be held, enjoyed, and exercised by the Senate and by the House of Commons, and by the members thereof respectively, shall be such as are from time to time defined by Act of the Parliament of Canada, but so that any Act of the Parliament of Canada defining such privileges, immunities, and powers shall not confer any privileges, immunities, or powers exceeding those at the passing of such Act held, enjoyed, and exercised by the Commons House of Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and by the members thereof.

The preamble and section 18 grant to the House of Commons the unfettered right to send for persons, papers and records. The House of Commons has the unfettered right to order any and all documents. Its right to order the government, or anyone, to provide documents is absolute.

House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, 2017, edited by Marc Bosc and André Gagnon, reads:

No statute or practice diminishes the fullness of that power rooted in House privileges unless there is an explicit legal provision to that effect, or unless the House adopts a specific resolution limiting the power. The House has never set a limit on its power to order the production of papers and records.

Speaker Milliken also affirmed that absolute right of this House to order documents in his rulings of April 27, 2010, and March 9, 2011. Again, I quote from the House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, which states:

By virtue of the preamble and section 18 of the Constitution Act, 1867, Parliament has the ability to institute its own inquiries, to require the attendance of witnesses and to order the production of documents, rights which are fundamental to its proper functioning. These rights are as old as Parliament itself.

The right to order the production of documents is as old as this place itself. The right to order the production of documents is fundamental to the proper functioning of Parliament. The right to order the production of documents is a constitutional power. It is an essential power for Parliament, as a legislative and deliberative body, so that we in this House can legislate, deliberate and hold the government to account.

There is no limit on the kinds of documents that can be requested. The only prerequisite is that the documents exist, that they are either in hard copy or in electronic form and that they are located in Canada. These documents can be in the possession of government, civil society or the private sector.

Again, I will quote from Bosc and Gagnon. Although this passage refers to committees, it equally applies to the House as a whole.

It states:

The Standing Orders do not delimit the power to order the production of papers and records. The result is a broad, absolute power that on the surface appears to be without restriction. There is no limit on the types of papers likely to be requested; the only prerequisite is that the papers exist in hard copy or electronic format, and that they are located in Canada. They can be papers originating from or in the possession of governments, or papers the authors or owners of which are from the private sector or civil society (individuals, associations, organizations, et cetera).

The power to order documents is absolute. Nothing can impinge on the right of this House to order documents, not unwritten conventions, not common law, not even statute law.

I will quote from the 42nd report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs of the 41st Parliament's first session, which states:

Since parliamentary privileges form part of the Constitution, laws must be interpreted and applied in a manner consistent with them, and where there is a conflict between privileges and statutory provisions, the statutory provisions are “of no force and effect” to the extent of the inconsistency. This constitutional principle is a fundamental postulate and organizing principle of the Canadian constitutional structure, and is clearly set out in subsection 52(1) of the Constitution Act, 1982 that provides: “[t]he Constitution of Canada is the supreme law of Canada, and any law that is inconsistent with the provisions of the Constitution is, to the extent of the inconsistency, of no force or effect.”

Courts have recognized the special constitutional status attached to parliamentary privilege and the limitations it imposes over their own jurisdiction, and that of the executive.

The government has failed to comply with an order of this House for the documents related to the Sustainable Development Technology Canada fund. This is not the first time. In the previous Parliament, the government also refused to comply with four orders of the House and its committee for the production of the Winnipeg lab documents, even though the House ordered the documents be handed over in secret, under lock and key, so as to prevent the release of information injurious to national security. Incredibly, in the dying days of the last Parliament, the government had the audacity to take the Speaker of the House to court to try and use statute law to defy our constitutional law. It was only after three years that the government recanted and handed over the documents to the House.

Let us compare the government's treatment of Parliament when it asks for documents with how other governments treat their national legislatures.

In the United Kingdom, in the fall of 2018, the House of Commons ordered the government of then prime minister Theresa May to hand over a solicitor-client privileged document in its unredacted form. This was a legal opinion prepared by United Kingdom's then attorney general Geoffrey Cox. He prepared a legal opinion for cabinet about the validity of the Irish backstop in the Brexit deal. The former prime minister resisted handing over the document to the House, and the House subsequently adopted a motion holding the government in contempt, indicating that it had to hand over the solicitor-client privileged document. The former prime minister then complied with that order and handed over the document forthwith.

Let us do a comparison to what happened south of the border when an individual refused to hand over a document to Congress. Steve Bannon refused to appear in front of a congressional committee and refused to hand over documents to it. He was indicted on one count of refusing to appear in front of a committee and a second count of refusing to hand over documents to a committee, and he served four months in prison for that refusal. That is how important the constitutional order in other democracies treats the right of a national legislature to get documents from the government, individuals or civil society. That is why the founders of Confederation wrote the preamble to the Constitution Act, 1867, and wrote section 18 into that act.

Let us compare the government's treatment of Parliament with that of previous governments.

In 1990 and 1991, during the government of former prime minister Brian Mulroney, the solicitor general refused to provide the Standing Committee on Justice and the Solicitor General with documents, citing privacy issues. The Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections concluded that the Standing Committee on Justice and the Solicitor General had the right to insist on the production of these documents and recommended that the House order the solicitor general to comply with the production order.

The House subsequently issued a production order that the documents be presented at an in camera meeting of the Standing Committee on Justice and the Solicitor General. The government complied with the order at the next meeting of the committee, and members of the committee examined the unredacted version of the documents.

In 2009, during the government of former prime minister Stephen Harper, the hon. Ujjal Dosanjh moved the following motion, which was adopted by the House:

That, given the undisputed privileges of Parliament under Canada’s constitution, including the absolute power to require the government to produce uncensored documents when requested, and given the reality that the government has violated the rights of Parliament by invoking the Canada Evidence Act to censor documents before producing them, the House urgently requires access to the following documents in their original and uncensored form:

all documents referred to in the affidavit of Richard Colvin, dated October 5, 2009;

all documents within the Department of Foreign Affairs written in response to the documents referred to in the affidavit of Richard Colvin, dated October 5, 2009;

all memoranda for information or memoranda for decision sent to the Minister of Foreign Affairs concerning detainees from December 18, 2005 to the present;

all documents produced pursuant to all orders of the Federal Court in Amnesty International Canada and British Columbia Civil Liberties Association v. Chief of the Defence Staff for the Canadian Forces, Minister of National Defence and Attorney General of Canada;

all documents produced to the Military Police Complaints Commission in the Afghanistan Public Interest Hearings;

all annual human rights reports by the Department of Foreign Affairs on Afghanistan; and

accordingly the House hereby orders that these documents be produced in their original and uncensored form forthwith.

I want to emphasize what the order said: “the House hereby orders that these documents be produced in their original and uncensored form forthwith.” In other words, the documents about the Afghan detainees were to be released to the House and to the public immediately, without redactions, for the entire world to see, including the armed combatants fighting Canadian Forces in Afghanistan. The order required the government to immediately and publicly, without any redactions and without any consideration to the injury that could result in the ongoing Canadian Armed Forces military operations in Afghanistan, release the documents.

Understandably, the Harper government was reluctant to release the information publicly. Speaker Milliken ruled that the House had an unfettered right to these documents, but he also sympathized with the government's concerns about publicly releasing information that could be injurious to ongoing Canadian military operations. Therefore, he encouraged the parties to work together to resolve it. The government did exactly that, and six months later, an ad hoc committee was struck. The government handed over all the documents to that committee in the summer of 2010, without redactions, and the committee began its work.

There are two things to note about the Afghan detainee document order that made it different and distinct from the Winnipeg lab document order. First, there were no measures in the Afghan detainee order to prevent the release of information injurious to national security or to the conduct of Canadian military operations. The order mandated that all the documents be released forthwith, publicly, without redactions. Second, the government understood its obligations to Parliament and worked with the opposition parties to produce the documents to the ad hoc committee in six months.

In comparison, the Sustainable Development Technology Canada fund documents contain no information injurious to national security. The government's explanation for defying an order of the House for those documents is that it could be a violation of charter rights. This argument is weak and thin. One suspects that this is because it was the only argument the government could come up with in response to the order. One suspects that, if the reference to the RCMP was not in the order for the documents, the government would find another flimsy excuse not to hand them over. One suspects that the real reason the government will not hand over the documents is not that it would be injurious to the rule of law or to charter rights but that it would be injurious to the government's political fortunes.

There are several ways to end this debate, but there are only two ways to end it in the right way. One is for the government to hand over the documents, and the other is for Parliament to be dissolved and for the matter to be taken to the Canadian people for their decision at the ballot box.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

1:35 p.m.

Pierrefonds—Dollard Québec

Liberal

Sameer Zuberi LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Diversity

Madam Speaker, I have immense respect for the member opposite. He has the capacity to disagree without being disagreeable, unlike many of his Conservative colleagues, who continuously go to the bottom of the gutter and to ad hominems.

I am really here to ask the question I just asked his colleague, who could not answer it and evaded the question. I want no evasion in the answer the member opposite will be providing. Why will his leader not become security cleared?

The member opposite has stood in Parliament on the issue of foreign interference. Each and every Canadian, each and every representative in the House, should be ready to be security cleared. Why is the member of the party opposite not willing to do so, especially if he is looking to protect the privileges of the House? I do not get it.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

1:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Madam Speaker, quite simply, it is because the Treasury Board Secretariat's policy on government security would require the leader to sign a certificate or an undertaking to not reveal any information to anyone else under threat of criminal prosecution. This is a security clearance process that the Prime Minister himself has not gone through.

That is why the leader of the official opposition has said that the Prime Minister needs to release the information of parliamentarians compromised by foreign interference. It is so the House can make a decision about those members and whether they can continue to sit in the House. It is so Canadians can go to the ballot box in the next election and be informed about the choices they are going to make, particularly when it comes to members of the House who colluded with foreign powers, to the detriment of the interests of this country and in violation of their oath.