House of Commons Hansard #366 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Bragdon Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Mr. Speaker, it is always an honour to rise in the people's House and speak on behalf of the good people of Tobique—Mactaquac and New Brunswickers. It is absolutely an honour.

Today, I rise to speak to the 13th report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts regarding climate change, the environment and sustainable development. What is abundantly clear in this report is that the government has not accomplished its objectives or its stated goals, and it has not met its targets in any way, means or fashion. It is not even close. In fact, Canada is ranked last of the G7 nations in accomplishing these targets. It is an indictment on the current government for having wonderful rhetoric as it relates to the environment but absolutely atrocious results.

If I could summarize right off the top, the basis of my remarks is that there is a clear choice before us. Canadians will have a clear choice before them, and that is whether they want the approach of rhetoric or the approach of results. That choice can be clear.

I should say that I will be splitting my time with the member from Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes.

For so long, we have heard speech after speech in the House, presentation after presentation and announcement after announcement, some with lofty ideals and tremendous goals, and they sound excellent.

Who would not want two billion trees to be planted? It is a wonderful announcement. It was fantastic in 2019. The government said it was going to plant two billion trees, which is a great goal and objective.

I will update members on the results of that rhetoric. The rhetoric was to plant two billion trees. What percentage of that number has been accomplished in the five years since the Liberals made it? They accomplished 0.4% of their grandiose announcement of planting two billion trees. Canadians say it was tremendous rhetoric that made them feel warm and fuzzy.

Canadians were promised that the planet would heal, the weather would change and the tides would recede if only they implemented the Liberals' policy ideas, such as carbon tax, which, as a result of its implementation, we can clearly see has not accomplished the results, other than diminishing the amount of money left over in Canadians' pocketbooks at the end of the day. It has been a tax with no results.

The Liberals promised big plantations of trees, and there are very few trees to show for it. They promised that our environment and our ranking in dealing with the challenges in the environment would improve as a result of their approach, but, I am sad to say, we rank last of the G7 countries. Canadians are tired of soaring rhetoric. They are tired of lofty promises. They want tangible, achievable, real results.

Everyone in the House wants to be good stewards of the planet. I believe that. We want to hand off to future generations a better and cleaner planet than the way we found it. That is a great goal. We on this side of the House fully agree with that, but the question is how we approach attaining that goal. How does the House best implement policies that would make a real difference without punishing our own citizens and taxing our own people into absolute dependence upon an ever-growing, ever-expanding government? How do we do that? It is going to take practical and common-sense approaches. It is all of the above.

There is an ancient writing that put it this way: We should cast our bread upon many waters to see what comes back and what will prosper because we do not know exactly which way or which approach may work best. Conservatives believe in all the above when it comes to resource development and energy. We believe in being responsible, good stewards, but we also believe that we need to have the backs of Canadian energy producers and natural resource workers.

We need to take a back seat to no one when it comes to our environmental practices as it relates to resource development. We have the best environmental practices in the world. We have the best extraction practices, and we have some of the lowest emissions related to production of energy and natural resource supplies.

Why would we take a back seat, shut down those industries, put our boots on the backs of those producers and then outsource our energy needs to nations that do not have near the environmental regulations nor the ethical approaches to paying people good wages for producing those resources? I would say that we should stick up for Canadian producers, stand on the side of Canadian natural resources, tell the good story of natural resource development and say that it will do the planet a whole lot of good to have Canadian energy on the market.

People are tired of us talking down what we do here in Canada. We do a great job, and we do not need to take a back seat to anyone. Our environmental record is stellar, and it has not been done through taxation. It has been done through innovation and expansion of better technologies. We believe in that on this side of the House. We need more of that approach.

We need practical approaches that make a real, tangible difference. Yes, let us plant those trees, but let us do it comprehensively and let us do it with a real plan and a focus. One of the biggest gaping holes in the Liberals' approach to the environment, which, again, goes back to their rhetoric over results approach, is that there is a massive gaping hole. It is the lack of meaningful consultation with those whose lives and livelihoods are most impacted and affected by their policies and decisions.

For example, I sit on the fisheries and oceans committee, and do members know what we hear there? Some of these policies are going to have devastating consequences for the industry and for livelihoods. I ask the House, and I ask the government, who would want a better, healthier future for the fisheries in Canada than those whose livelihoods depend upon the fisheries and the health of our waters? It is our harvesters and those living in coastal communities, but they have been overlooked in the policy development of the government. They are frustrated because they are saying that they want clean oceans, that this is their livelihood, that this is their future. They want healthy fish stocks because that is where they derive their livelihoods from, but we ignore them.

I go to the farmers. Who wants better, healthier and cleaner lands than our farmers, who produce the best food in the world and work from morning until night to make sure goods and food are delivered to Canadians? Who does that more than our farmers? We have a gaping hole in the government's approach. Liberals do not consult properly with our farmers when coming up with their policies around the ways and means of agriculture. They pass these rules and bring in these taxes, and they devastate those industries. As a result, they are frustrated and left out of the circle. It is the gaping hole that leads to the vast expanse between their rhetoric and their results.

There is one other sector I want to talk to members about and that is in regard to forest management. We all know that the greatest cleaner of the Earth's atmosphere is our trees. Canada is blessed with an abundance of trees with some of the best forest coverage in the world. We do not get nearly the adequate credit for that, yet what do they do? They made a grandiose announcement that two billion trees were going to be planted. They then deliver 0.4% of that target in five years.

I ask the Liberals if they have consulted with those who are experts in the field of forest management. Have they consulted with some of the largest tree producers as well as tree planters in the world? I know for a fact that they have not talked with many of them. As a result, they wonder why we cannot get trees in the ground. Perhaps it is because of the gaping hole between the rhetoric and their results.

They have not consulted with those who are most connected to the very industries they are talking about. It is time we changed approach. It is time we got back to meaningful consultation with those who are most affected by the policies. I believe that, if we get on the right side of this, we could win this debate, but more than win the debate, we could get the results that Canadians are demanding in being responsible stewards for our country's environment. We can improve our results and our outcomes by having a common-sense approach.

What better way to get that than to have a carbon tax election so Canadians can weigh in on this?

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:55 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, we are talking a lot about climate action. It is interesting, with the Conservative Party and the leader of the Conservative Party in particular, and here is where it is really important for members across the way to understand this, that we have the far-right, MAGA Conservative leader who is actually causing all sorts of reactions, such as the flip-flop on the price on pollution.

There is an issue in there that is really important—

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Warren Steinley Conservative Regina—Lewvan, SK

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, you made a comment to the last Liberal speaker that they should not cause disruption. There is name-calling going on, and that is adding to the disruption in the House. I would like you to rule on that.

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12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

I thank the hon. member for his intervention. We just need to make sure we are all honourable members in this chamber.

The hon. parliamentary secretary has the floor.

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12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, if I can get away with the hon. far-right, MAGA Conservative leader, as I think it is a fair description of—

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12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

That is one step too far.

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12:55 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I will start from the top, and I withdraw the comment.

The leader of the Conservative Party has done a flip-flop with regard to the price on pollution. That is being heavily influenced by the far-right, in particular the MAGA Conservatives in the United States. It has crept in and is ultimately being endorsed by the leader of the Conservative Party today. I am talking about fake news, fake facts and how Conservatives say whatever they want that they can easily justify.

This is just like how the leader of the Conservative Party has made the determination that he is not going to get the security clearance, and one needs to ask the question why. Can the member opposite give a clear indication of why the leader of the Conservative Party made the decision to not get his security clearance? Does he not believe Canadians have a right to know what he is hiding? What in his background is he scared to share with Canadians because, ultimately, I do not think he would be able to get the security clearance.

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Bragdon Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Mr. Speaker, my hon. colleague's question is totally irrelevant.

The issue at hand is that the commissioner of the environment for Canada was brought before committee, and my hon. colleague from Northumberland—Peterborough South asked a straightforward question. He asked, “In the last seven years, has this government achieved any of the international carbon reduction targets?”, to which the commissioner of the environment for Canada responded, “Not that I'm aware of....”

Therefore, I would say, once again, that we have tremendous examples of soaring rhetoric and no results. We need to get back to results.

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, the member says that the rhetoric needs to be toned down and then gives us nothing but rhetoric. The reality is that the Harper regime was terrible on climate change. We saw housing prices double in the Harper regime. We saw food bank lineups double during the Harper regime. The Harper regime and the Conservative government were absolutely terrible, and he knows this.

New Brunswickers took a look at the Conservatives, said, “Hell, no” and threw them out of office just a few weeks ago.

The reality is that climate change has an impact. In my riding and in the Lower Mainland, we lost 600 people due to the heat dome. The atmospheric rivers that cut British Columbia off from the rest of the country and the forest fires have had profound impacts, yet the Conservatives have not produced a climate plan. They have no environmental policy.

I appreciate my colleague's rhetoric, but the reality is he needs to have substance. Why do the Conservatives have no environmental plan?

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Bragdon Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Mr. Speaker, we certainly do have one. We have a practical environment plan that is much better than the alternative, which is a huge tax plan.

Here is the issue: The hon. colleague represents the wonderful province of British Columbia, which has had in place now for over 15 years carbon pricing, or a carbon tax. On the carbon tax, I asked the commissioner of the environment at the natural resources committee if we had yet in this country a metric that could tell Canadians how much carbon had been reduced from Canada's atmosphere as a result of the implementation of the carbon tax. His response to that was that there is no such metric.

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1 p.m.

Bloc

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

Mr. Speaker, I will keep my question short. Economists are virtually unanimous on the fact that cap-and-trade systems and policies that put a price on climate change work. They reduce emissions without reducing economic growth rates.

What are my colleague's thoughts on that?

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Bragdon Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Mr. Speaker, what I find interesting is that we had a comparison not that long ago with a neighbouring jurisdiction that basically, as a result of its approach, which was expanding in regard to natural gas development and energy development, became much more energy secure while its carbon footprint diminished. At the same time, we were signing accords and giving wonderful speeches with soaring rhetoric about what we were going to do with the implementation of the carbon tax, and our carbon emissions went up while the other jurisdiction's went down. We need a more practical approach that gets better results and less rhetoric.

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1 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

The Minister of Environment and Climate Change was listening to the speech and would like to ask the member a question. I would ask for unanimous consent to allow the Minister of the Environment—

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1 p.m.

Some hon. members

No.

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am delighted that, as the member for Kingston and the Islands pointed out, my remarks have drawn the attention of the minister. I look forward to his having the opportunity to hear a little about the effect of his record on Canadians.

After nine years of the NDP-Liberal government, its members claim time and time again that they are looking out for people, but I will tell who they are looking out for. It is always Liberal insiders. It is never about what the Liberals put up in the window. There is always a sleight of hand with these Liberals.

Of course, in the context of what has been happening in Parliament, which has been paralyzed by Liberal corruption for more than a month, the $400-million scandal at the green slush fund is a testament to what these Liberals prioritize. It is not the environment. It is not what the environment minister says it is. It is helping well-connected insiders.

The Liberals appointed one of their friends to chair the board, and she did what Liberals do. She stuck her hand in taxpayers' pockets and she took out their wallets, cleaned them out, and put them back in—

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1:05 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Is the member talking about the lady who donated thousands of dollars to the Conservative Party?

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1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

That is not a point of order.

The hon. member for Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes has the floor.

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Speaker, the truth hurts for these Liberals, who are so corrupt. The member might be one of the dozens of Liberal MPs who do not support their own Prime Minister. The Prime Minister broke the law twice. Multiple ministers also broke the law. When the Liberals appointed their friends to the green slush fund board, they also got caught breaking the law, putting themselves before Canadians and robbing them blind while Canadians line up at food banks in record numbers.

We have seen the record after nine years. Costs are up to such a point that food bank use has never been what it is after nine years of these economic vandals. Millions of Canadians are using food banks in a single month. That is the Liberal government's legacy: doubling food bank usage in communities right across this country, including in the member's riding. His legacy is doubling food bank use in Winnipeg. It is shameful.

What do Canadians get? A third of those food bank users are children. For the first time in my lifetime, 25% of Canadians do not know how they are going to feed their families. Unemployment is not at 25%. Double digits of Canadians are suffering from food insecurity after nine years of the NDP-Liberals' economic vandalism. How do we have that in this country? That is one in four Canadians.

I will tell members who is not lined up at food banks: well-connected Liberal insiders. It is like the $60-million arrive scam, when the government paid tens of millions of dollars to a company that did no actual IT work on an app that should have cost many orders of magnitude less. It put Liberal insiders first. What did Canadians get in return? Were they safer? No, but their rent doubled, their mortgages doubled. People used to be able to pay off a mortgage in 25 years. Now that is how long it takes to save up for a down payment.

It is a broken promise to Canadians. The list is too long. There is the $9-million condo, the luxury suite the Liberals put the Prime Minister's media buddy Tom Clark in. He is on Billionaires' Row while Canadians are living under bridges in tents in record numbers. That is the legacy of the NDP-Liberals and it is shameful.

I move:

That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“the 13th report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented on Tuesday, May 17, 2022, be not now concurred in, but that it be recommitted to the Committee for further consideration, including with respect to the implementation of requirements for financial institutions to disclose climate-related financial information, an initiative which the Committee traced back to a 2015 decision of G20 central bank governors, provided that, for the purpose of this study, Mark Carney be ordered to appear as a witness, for at least two hours, at a date and time to be fixed by the Chair of the Committee but within 21 days of the adoption of this order.”

This is incredibly important. We can look at the record of economic vandalism by these Liberals, and that is why I have moved this amendment today.

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

The amendment is in order.

It is my duty to interrupt the proceedings at this time and put forthwith the question on the motion now before the House.

The question is on the amendment.

If a member participating in person wishes that the amendment be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.

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1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, we request a recorded vote, please.

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1:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Deputy Speaker Conservative Chris d'Entremont

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the division stands deferred until later this day at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

The EnvironmentPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

November 5th, 2024 / 1:15 p.m.

Green

Mike Morrice Green Kitchener Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise to present two petitions.

The first petition is signed by folks concerned with the proposed 60-kilometre route for Highway 413. They note that it would cut through 2,000 acres of farmland, 85 waterways, 220 wetlands and the habitats of 29 federally listed threatened and endangered species, which must be protected as per the Fisheries Act and the Species at Risk Act.

The petitioners note a complete absence of meaningful consultation with indigenous communities along the proposed route. They note that a comprehensive federal environmental assessment could mitigate potential environmental harm and ensure sustainable development, and that the federal government has a responsibility to oversee a responsible, predictable and constitutionally robust environmental review.

The petitioners call on the Government of Canada to take several actions. The first is to ensure that the federal government uses every tool available to assess and protect indigenous rights as well as the area impacted by the proposed Highway 413, and to protect the Greenbelt, farmland and natural ecosystems, including identified species at risk.

OpioidsPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:15 p.m.

Green

Mike Morrice Green Kitchener Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, the second petition is on behalf of folks who are devastated by the poisoned drug crisis. They note that since 2016, over 34,000 people across the country have died, each one a preventable death, as the result of a poisoned drug supply.

The petitioners note that the Canadian Public Health Association and other experts have recommended a number of measures that, comprehensively, could address this crisis. As a result, they call on the government to declare a public health emergency as a result of poisoned drugs; treat this crisis as a health issue rather than a criminal one; provide a regulated safer supply of drugs for people who need them, to reduce overdose deaths; ensure that folks have access to get to treatment, as one has to be alive to get to treatment; and last, make significant, long-term investments in supports for those who use drugs or those who are in recovery.

Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl SubstancesPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:15 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise to table a petition submitted by the hard-working firefighters of IAFF Local 181 in Regina, Saskatchewan, addressing an urgent issue impacting the health and safety of firefighters across Canada. This petition, signed by 139 residents of Regina and Saskatchewan, calls for immediate action to ban PFAS in firefighter gear and firefighter foam.

PFAS chemicals, as we know, are man-made and resistant to heat, water and oil, but their durability comes at a significant cost. Scientific evidence links these substances to severe health risks, including cancer, putting firefighters, who already face hazardous conditions, at greater risk. Research shows that PFAS can accumulate in the body, leading to serious health issues. Alarmingly, firefighters face a higher cancer risk than the general population, and we must mitigate these risks by regulating what we can control in their working conditions.

Several countries have restricted PFAS use. Canada must follow suit. Our firefighters deserve gear free from toxic chemicals. Let us protect those who risk their lives for us.

FirearmsPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the opportunity to present a petition today in the House. The government has attempted to ban and seize the hunting rifles and shotguns of millions of Canadians. The targeting of farmers and hunters does not fight crime, and the government has failed those who participate in the Canadian tradition of sport shooting. The petitioners call on the Government of Canada to stop any and all current and future bans on hunting and sport shooting firearms.

Sadly, I am presenting this petition because the member for Skeena—Bulkley Valley refused to do so.