House of Commons Hansard #368 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was liberals.

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November 7th, 2024 / 4:20 p.m.

NDP

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

Uqaqtittiji, it is my first time rising in the House today and I would like to acknowledge that it is International Inuit Day. I hope everyone enjoys this day.

There is a community in Nunavut called Kimmirut that just had a four-day power outage. As winter is coming quite soon, a lot of people were quite concerned about their well-being because of having no power in that community. I wonder if the member shares my outrage regarding Sustainable Development Technology Canada not investing in potential sustainable development opportunities in Nunavut. The power plant in Kimmirut runs on diesel, and there need to be more ways to ensure we are transitioning to renewable energy.

I wonder if the member would share his comments about whether Sustainable Development Technology Canada was doing enough to make sure it focused its investments on sustainable development technology.

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4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Speaker, I join my colleague from Nunavut in acknowledging International Inuit Day. I know the Leader of the Opposition put out a statement acknowledging that a little earlier today.

I would note that the environment commissioner, in a report I believe was tabled in this place today, talked about that exact thing and how after nine years of the Liberals claiming to solve all the country's problems, they have done nothing more than make their friends rich. The consequence of that is very real to those in northern Canada who are facing days without power and those facing energy and food insecurity from coast to coast to coast. The consequences of Liberal mismanagement truly are devastating to Canadians.

I hope we can wake up to the reality that until there is a change in government, there will not be a change in the direction of this country.

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4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for his excellent talk today. I am glad he was able to mention the comment from his wife. I know if I read a comment from my wife on Facebook, it would be something like, “Why didn't you take out the trash again?”

Part of the SDTC issue is that Industry Canada has a contribution agreement with SDTC, the green slush fund, that requires the board to report any conflicts of interest, real or perceived, to the Minister of Industry. It is right in the contribution agreement and was signed off on.

The Auditor General has found well over 80 conflicts of interest. Is my colleague wondering, like I am wondering, if the government is refusing to hand over the documents because they show that the Liberal-appointed board had conflicts of interest that were reported to both the past minister, Navdeep Bains, and the current minister, and they refused to act because they are more interested in supporting Liberal insiders than protecting taxpayers' money?

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4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Edmonton West makes a very good point. A clear conflict exists when it comes to the depth of this scandal. Why are the Liberals so intent on covering up this $400-million scandal? The documents, I have a suspicion, would reveal exactly that, because they were required to report conflicts of interest. The Liberals were in charge of managing those conflicts and ensuring that they did not happen. Why did they not do anything about them?

Canadians want answers. I support Canadians who are calling for answers. I just wish the government would finally release the documents so we can get them.

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4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Cathay Wagantall Conservative Yorkton—Melville, SK

Mr. Speaker, we just heard from the member for Nunavut about the incredible disappointment over what happened with this fund. There were so many things the money could have been spent on properly.

I would like my colleague to talk about our young people, who, of course, are concerned about the environment, having a home and being able to afford to go to school, all those dynamics. The Minister of Environment has been found wanting in this area. He is responsible for claiming the carbon tax is crucial, yet where is the money going?

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4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Madam Speaker, I appreciate the question because it brings up a very important point. In the midst of the Liberals' corruption, the issues with SDTC, the list of scandals and everything associated with them, Canadians are hurting. Canadians do care about the environment, including many of the energy workers and farmers I represent. We all care deeply about the environment.

The reality of that is that Canada is a world leader. However, under the Liberals, instead of unleashing the potential of this country, they are holding it back for their personal, political and partisan gains. When it comes to the scandal before us, it seems that it is not just political gains they are holding things back for. It seems that it is for their personal financial gains and the gains of their friends.

It is time for a change in this country, to bring back accountability and bring home a government that can be trusted to spend taxpayers' dollars with the respect they deserve. Accountability is needed. Let us get it now. Let us release the documents.

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4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Madam Speaker, before I begin my comments about the Sustainable Development Technology Canada scandal, knowing that we are coming into Remembrance Week, I want to share with the House a poem. It is called We Remain, and it was written by T.S. Bedford:

We remain.
We stand between the living and the lost;
Between memory and tomorrow.
We give voice to the silent;
Presence to the missed.
We share yesterday with the parted
And today with the loved.
No one knows the shape of the future
Or where the path will lead.
But the lost will always walk with us;
So long as
We remain.

I have to say, at the start of this speech today, that I cannot believe we are still here. I cannot believe that we talked about this topic in September and for all of October, and that it is November and we are still talking about it. For those at home who do not know what this privilege motion is about, it all started with Sustainable Development Technology Canada, a fund that was supposed to support sustainable technology development. The fund was created in 2001 and worked fine under both Liberal and Conservative governments until the current corrupt Liberal government.

Basically, it appointed people to the committee that was going to decide who got the money, and all its members gave it to their own companies. The Auditor General found 186 conflicts of interest, a whistle-blower implied that there was criminality involved and Parliament voted to have the documents related to this scandal produced. Of course, the Liberals did what they always do: They delayed and then produced the documents all blacked out without anything useful. The Speaker has correctly ruled that they need to produce the documents unredacted and that no government business or private member's business is going to take place in the House until that happens. We have been waiting for five weeks for the Liberals to produce the documents.

Bills are not coming forward, but there are some bills that I am glad are not coming forward, like the online harms bill, Bill C-63, which would do absolutely nothing to help children being sexually exploited online. Everybody wants that to be dealt with, but it would create a parallel system with no criminal consequences, and that would not help anyone. It would also put a person in jail for life if someone thinks they might commit a hate crime in the future. That is a chill on freedom of speech in this country. I am also happy that we do not have Bill C-65 coming forward, the bill that would give all Liberal and NDP members who are going to lose their seat in the next election their pensions by moving the election date out a week.

One of the bills that I would like to see come forward is unfortunately not happening. As part of the federal redistribution process, my riding was renamed Sarnia—Lambton—Bkejwanong. The new chief of Bkejwanong, which is Walpole Island, objects to the use of that name. As soon as I heard that he objected to it, I asked it to be part of a bill to alter riding names that need to be changed, which is done regularly in the House. I am very disappointed that this bill is not coming forward, because now I am not able to do what the chief asked me to do and what I said I would do, which is bring it forward here.

The reason we are here is that the Liberals continue to block us by not producing the documents. Let us talk about some of the arguments that have been made.

The Liberals are saying they do not want to give the documents to the RCMP because that would be a violation of people's charter rights. I want to be clear that the RCMP gets tips all the time, like from Crime Stoppers. It follows up on them. Nothing is a violation of anybody's charter rights with respect to that. What would happen is that RCMP members would look into the documents, especially if we give some indication of where they should be looking, and if they found evidence of criminality and wanted to pursue criminal charges, they would go to a judge and order those documents to be produced so they could be officially used in a criminal trial. That is where we are at today.

I just want to recap a bit of the history of how this fund went so wrong.

2024 Olympic and Paralympic AthletesOrders of the Day

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Madam Speaker, I am rising on a point of order. There have been discussions among the parties, and if you seek it, I believe you will find unanimous consent for the following motion. I move:

That, notwithstanding any standing order, special order, or usual practice of the House, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions on Wednesday, December 4, 2024, the House resolve itself into a committee of the whole in order to welcome Canada's 2024 Paris Olympic and Paralympic Games athletes, provided that:

(a) the Speaker make welcoming remarks on behalf of the House;

(b) the names of the athletes present be deemed read and printed in the House of Commons Debates for that day;

(c) when the proceedings of the committee have concluded, the committee shall rise; and

(d) only authorized photographers be permitted to take photos during the proceedings of the committee.

2024 Olympic and Paralympic AthletesOrders of the Day

4:35 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

All those opposed to the hon. member's moving the motion will please say nay.

It is agreed.

The House has heard the terms of the motion. All those opposed to the motion will please say nay.

(Motion agreed to)

The House resumed consideration of the motion, of the amendment and of the amendment to the amendment.

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4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Madam Speaker, it will be a real joy to see all our Olympians, of whom we are so proud.

I will get back to the green slush fund scandal, which began with Navdeep Bains, who was then the minister of industry, science and economic development. He was involved in some questionable things. I want to read from one of the newspapers about the time when he stepped down:

...Bains was implicated in a questionable real estate transaction, when former Brampton mayor Linda Jeffrey's chief of staff [Mr.] Punia, shared confidential details about a land purchase with Bains and former Liberal MP Raj Grewal. When Brampton council learned about the behaviour it sent details of a third-party investigation into the matter to the RCMP, because the force was already looking into Grewal's activities involving chronic gambling in Ottawa while he served as an MP.

The City eventually paid about $1 million extra for the land it was trying to acquire, after a group of local businessmen with ties to the Liberals purchased it, then flipped it to the City, after Punia had passed on details of the original offer the City had planned to make for the property, which was owned by the Province.

There is no evidence Bains has any ties to the [business]....

Just because we could not find evidence does not mean that nothing happened. The article continues:

Grewal was charged in September by the RCMP with five counts of fraud and breach of trust for alleged misuse of his constituency office budget while he was an MP, after an extensive investigation.

This was the kind of people who started the fund and then went forward with it. It then got a bit worse, because in 2019, the current Minister of Environment and Climate Change came along. He was one of the people who approved the money for the fund in 2021. He was a member of cabinet, which approved the billion dollars going into the slush fund.

I have one other thing to say about Navdeep Bains. The article reads:

Bains was in the news again when questions were raised last year about his father's involvement with individuals implicated in a Fort Erie Gurdwara scandal. There is no evidence Bains has any ties with the plan and he denies any link.... The Sikh temple had sponsored three priests from India who were given special visas by Ottawa. It turned out the Gurdwara was not even operating and the three men disappeared after arriving in Canada.

We do not have any evidence of wrongdoing, but there is always suspicion. Here we are again with the same thing because the Minister of Environment and Climate Change was part of the cabinet that approved the billion dollars. One of the board members was a lady named Andrée-Lise Méthot. She was the founder and managing partner of Cycle Capital, a company that the Minister of Environment and Climate Change is invested in.

Section 119 of the Criminal Code says that no holder of public office, for example someone like the Minister of Environment and Climate Change, can take an action, for example giving a billion dollars to a slush fund that would be of benefit for themselves, for example his investment in Cycle Capital, which tripled its value through the money given to it from the green slush fund.

I certainly think that when the RCMP finishes its investigation and is able to see the documents, it could be that the Minister of Environment and Climate Change will be back in his orange pajamas again. He, as we know, was a convicted felon. In 2001 he was charged and convicted. He served a year's probation plus 100 hours of community service and paid $1,000 of restitution.

This is the calibre of corruption in the Liberal government and cabinet. It is no wonder things go awry when these kinds of people are involved. The Liberals have been trying to suggest that they need to stand up for the charter rights of Canadians. I certainly wish they would, because they have not.

One is what their record says they are, and if we look at the record of the Liberal government on the matter, we see the chill the Liberals have put on freedom of speech in this country with Bill C-11, the censorship bill. With Bill C-18, the freedom of the press was compromised. Bill C-63, the online harms bill that I just talked about, once again would violate everyone's charter rights happily.

Then there is freedom of religion. I spoke about this before, but since then, things have escalated even further in our country. Have members heard about the persecution that Hindus are facing in Brampton? People were out with knives. There were violent attacks on temples. The government has done nothing about it. Liberals wring their pearls and say that it is unacceptable, but they have done nothing to ensure that the rule of law in this country is enforced.

What is the point of having rules to protect Canadians if they are not enforced, and why has the federal government, which has the highest authority to make sure that rights are protected, done nothing? A hundred or more Christian churches were burned in our country, and again, it is crickets from the Liberals on this. It goes on and on. What has happened to Jewish Canadians is heartbreaking. They have been constantly harassed, and their synagogues and their businesses are vandalized. They have been given death treats and nothing has been done. Certainly freedom of religion in this country is in serious jeopardy.

Furthermore, there is discrimination that happens. We are supposed to be free from discrimination in this country, but it happens even in the Liberal benches. The Liberals are discriminating based on age. They decided to give seniors who are older than 75 more money than the seniors who are between 65 and 75. Similarly, there are violations in the minority language rights; the government has been proven several times in court to not have done what it should have done to protect the minority language rights of Canadians.

Let me sidebar for a moment and say how proud I am to announce that Sarnia—Lambton has the official francophone designation of Ontario.

I am very happy. I worked hard with the francophones of Sarnia—Lambton and I am very proud of our work.

The other argument we will hear from the Liberal benches is that the RCMP does not want the documents. Is it really the case that the RCMP does not want to see evidence of potential crime? The whistle-blower was clear that there was criminality going on, and it is possible that it was with more than one minister. I talked about the Minister of Environment and Climate Change, but actually there is also the current minister who was overseeing the Sustainable Development Technology Canada fund.

There is an agreement that says the board members had to disclose any conflicts of interest to ISED, so the minister would have known about them and not acted. Perhaps that is what would be uncovered when the documents are released. Certainly there is an issue there.

I think that what happened in the slush fund is just another example, and we keep racking up dollars. I think about the number of scandals that have happened in the government since I came here in 2015. This one is $400 million. There was the $372 million the Liberals gave to Frank Baylis to make ventilators when he had never made ventilators before, and they never ended up using any of them. It goes on and on with the different scandals. There was the WE Charity scandal and the huge waste of money there.

Canadians are finding the current scandal particularly obscene, at a time when the number of people going to food banks is the highest it has ever been. There are also 1,400 tent encampments in Ontario alone, and they are spread across the country. At a time when people are struggling, cannot afford food and cannot afford to feed their family and heat their house, there is an incredible waste of money and people lining the pockets of insiders. It is just unacceptable.

When I look at some of the previous things that have happened, I ask myself what we need to do to put in place some accountability so that this sort of thing does not happen. What kind of protection can we provide to whistle-blowers? If it is going on in one department, what is going on in all the other funds?

It is said that the fish rots from the head. The Prime Minister has already been violating ethics laws in the billionaire island fiasco, and he is also under suspicion in the SNC-Lavalin scandal for pressuring a criminal prosecution, which the RCMP is investigating. In the WE Charity scandal, the Prime Minister took an action, by awarding money to the organization, that benefited himself and his family: his brother, his mother and his wife. As I said before, under subsection 119(1) of the Criminal Code, that is illegal. It is not just a mistake.

Therefore we really have to clean up the government, and it does not look to me like we can change the spots on the leopards. Over here on the Conservative benches, we believe in the rule of law. We believe in transparency. We believe in accountability and we believe in trying to be prudent with the use of taxpayer dollars for the benefit of all Canadians.

I think that Canadians are looking for a change. They cannot take the continual rise in taxes that they have seen under the current government, such as the carbon tax, which it is going to increase to 61¢ a litre at a time when people are already struggling. The Liberals want to quadruple it and quadruple the misery.

EI premiums, CPP premiums and all of these things are going in the wrong direction at a time when there is going to be increasing competitiveness from the U.S.; President-elect Trump has clearly put America as a priority, and we are not on competitive ground. We have taxes and a regulatory burden that are going to drive millions of dollars and millions of jobs to the U.S.

The Sustainable Development Technology Canada fund is the tip of the iceberg. We have to get to the bottom of it. As much as everybody would like to move on from this, until the documents are produced unredacted and we can give them to the RCMP so we can get to the bottom of what happened, the Conservatives are going to continue to do what is our job. We are His Majesty's loyal opposition, and our job is to hold the government to account, which means not just saying, “Oh, there's nothing to see here.” It means asking for the documents, doing the hard work to get to the bottom of it and going to committees.

I understand that once the documents are produced, the PROC committee is supposed to look at them. However, I have a little bit of skepticism about that, because with every other scandal that has gone to any committee, NDP members, partners of the Liberals, work together with them. They are still doing it, even though the leader of the NDP made a big deal of ripping up the agreement, effectively saying, “Oh, the Liberals are too weak and they can't be trusted. We're not going work with them anymore.”

The New Democrats are still supporting the Liberals today at committee. What they do is shut down the committee. They filibuster so they do not have to produce the documents, and that is exactly what would happen if this thing went to committee, which is why we have to hold on and wait until the Liberals deliver the documents.

Why will they not deliver the documents? The Auditor General has seen them, although she was not auditing criminality. The documents exist and need to be produced, but what are they hiding? Are people going to go to jail? That is what it is starting to look like. However, we will not know until we see the documents, so the Liberals need to produce them, the sooner the better.

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4:50 p.m.

NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

Order.

It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the question to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment is as follows: the hon. member for Calgary Rocky Ridge, Carbon Pricing.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Madam Speaker, we know that the RCMP does not want the documents. I assume that it does not want to end up with information that should have required a warrant to obtain, which would undermine the investigation. We have seen that in court cases where, if the proper procedures are not followed, the whole case falls apart.

My question for the hon. member is this: Why are she and other members of the Conservative Party being so flippant about the risks of undermining a very serious and important investigation?

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4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Madam Speaker, I appreciate the question, because it gives me an opportunity to reiterate that the RCMP gets tips all the time. They get documents. They get people calling them in, suggesting that there is crime. They have a due diligence to go investigate that. If they do find evidence of that, then, if they want to use that as evidence in a court trial, they have to go to the judge and ask for a warrant.

There is a huge number of documents in the green slush fund, and the RCMP may not know exactly where to look. That is why we need to make sure they get all the documents so they do not have to go back and forth, and ask again and again. When the RCMP find the criminality, they will go for a warrant and officially request those documents, so they can be used in a criminal trial.

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4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Julie Vignola Bloc Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Madam Speaker, for a month now, we have been given different arguments on why we cannot receive the documents. We are told that the RCMP has concerns about politicians interfering in the judicial branch. However, we are not ordering it to conduct an investigation. We are possibly providing it with potential evidence. Now we are being told that there is no search warrant. If someone has potential evidence of a crime and keeps it to themselves, they are an accomplice to that crime. A search warrant is not required for submitting potential evidence.

I would like my colleague to elaborate on these two subtle legal points. What are these new arguments all about?

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4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Madam Speaker, the member is absolutely right.

We can hand the documents over to the RCMP, that is not a problem. If the RCMP decides that a crime has been committed, it can officially request the documents and use them in court. It is a no-brainer. I do not know why the government does not want to hand over the documents, but there is definitely something it wants to hide.

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4:55 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Madam Speaker, where we are is similar to the Afghan detainee documents that caused a problem here in this chamber.

With regards to procurement of documents in general, I am just wondering where the Conservative Party stands on Crown copyright, which would be more public access to documents that the public pays for. It is research, it is information, it is ministers' files and it is a whole bunch of studies; a series of different things that they did not agree to amend during the Harper tenure. Canada is an outlier with regards to the United States and other Commonwealth nations, because our Crown copyright goes back to the early 1900s.

I am wondering where the Conservatives stand on that, because allowing Canadians, businesses, the general public and academics access to these publicly paid for documents would end some of the stuff that we have here in the House. Where do the Conservatives stand on Crown copyright now that they are in opposition?

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4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Madam Speaker, during my speech I spoke about how we need to be competitive. With the digital age and the evolvement of AI, there are a lot of things that we are going to have to look at.

Conservatives believe that we need to make Canada competitive in the world. We need to be leaders in technology. Those things will drive the kinds of decisions that the member is referring to.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Madam Speaker, just yesterday in the public accounts committee, we heard that the government has referred three more cases, seven in total now, to the RCMP over theft issues and fraud issues with ArriveCAN. However, the government seems very hesitant to do so with a similar scandal.

In the contribution agreement signed between SDTC and Industry Canada, there is a very specific paragraph that states that for any money given out ineligibly, SDTC has an obligation to return the money to Industry Canada, therefore, taxpayers. However, SDTC has not, and Industry Canada has not, forced the issue.

I wonder if my colleague could perhaps expand on why she thinks the government is refusing to claw back ineligibly received taxpayers' dollars.

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4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Madam Speaker, I want to thank my colleague, who is so excellent in the work that he does. He is so detail oriented, getting to the heart of the matter. In this example, there's $58 million that the Auditor General said went to companies that were not eligible. They did not reduce emissions and it was not green tech. The companies were absolutely not eligible.

Regarding my colleague's comments, that money should be returned and the government should be going after it. However, the Liberals never get the money back. The Liberals waste Canadians' money. Their friends get rich and taxpayers never get their money back. We need a carbon tax election.

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4:55 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, the member is trying to sidestep the real issue of the motion. The motion is very simple. The Conservative Party is asking that Parliament, the House of Commons, provide unredacted documents directly to the RCMP. The RCMP has said that the game the Conservatives are playing is not right. The Auditor General of Canada has said that what the Conservative Party is doing is not right. We have other professionals who are saying the same thing. We cannot just give the papers over. There are quotes of people saying that there are potential threats to charter issues and yet, the Conservatives close their eyes, believing it is okay to demand it and ultimately mislead Canadians.

The government is not going to go against the RCMP and the Auditor General because the Conservatives believe something that is not true. Why should the government of the day believe the Conservative Party ahead of the RCMP and the Auditor General? Do the Conservatives not respect what those independent institutions are saying?

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5 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Madam Speaker, the role of the RCMP is to enforce the rule of law equally for all. It is interesting to me how often the RCMP does not investigate things happening in the government that are suggested to be criminal, like what happened with the Prime Minister in the WE Charity scandal and like when Brenda Lucki kept information from the public on the Nova Scotia massacre because of an announcement with respect to gun legislation that was coming from the government.

There is not enough separation between the current Liberal government and the RCMP, and that is a concern. The RCMP needs to investigate all of the accused criminality. The whistle-blower said there was criminality and certainly I have outlined how the RCMP officers can look at that evidence the way they would if the whistle-blowers just called up the RCMP and told the officers where to go and look. That would be a great thing to do.

However, in lieu of that, this is what we as parliamentarians can do to make sure that the information gets there so that they can investigate. Perhaps the officers will find nothing. The RCMP can choose to do whatever it wants to do. If the RCMP officers do want to use it in a criminal prosecution, they will have to follow the law and get a warrant, but they will know where to look.

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5 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

Madam Speaker, I want to thank my colleagues for their remarks and contributions to this debate. The very fact that we can debate here in this House on this matter is so important for Canadians. It is something that our veterans fought for. The right for civil debate is something that we must always cherish and hold with reverence equivalent to the sacrifice required to attain it. As we all wear our poppies this November, I want to thank the men and women who have have served in our military and continue to serve our country in such a capacity.

The last time I was here in this House speaking to this issue, I was able to draw on much of my teaching experience to highlight just how important this motion is. This motion, which we all know by now, is concerning the government's refusal to provide all files, documents, briefing notes, memoranda, emails or any other correspondence engaged among government officials regarding SDTC or the NDP-Liberal government's green slush fund.

While I do not want to belabour the point of discussing how the government could learn lessons from high school students in finally coming clean to Canadians on yet another scandal, today I want to try to appeal to the government's better angels by asking them to make a decision. Today, I am asking the government, on behalf of the many parents and young, bright students of the future that I represent, to set a good example and once again come clean to Canadians on this scandal.

As the Prime Minister may remember, children look up to us adults for influence and inspiration and as role models. While it sometimes remains to be seen that this is the case, we are all indeed adults in this House. With the added responsibilities of being parliamentarians and elected representatives of our people, our nation, the bar only gets higher.

In search of role models, children look for those who lead by example and once again, the government has a choice to make. It can come clean with Canadians on this corruption-stricken slush fund and the lack of stewardship over taxpayers' dollars, or it can continue to allow our House to be frozen and in dysfunction in service of the Liberals' questionable political goals. They have a choice to place the sake of Canadians over themselves.

I am not ignorant to the reality that political parties of all stripes will attempt to paint their opponents in an unflattering manner. However, in this case, among many others, putting political interests over Canadians has become an absolute reality in what remains of the NDP-Liberal government. I intend to make this point here in this House today.

It is clear to Canadians, now more than ever, that the government has adopted a doctrine of, “Do as I say, not as I do.” In 2015, the Liberal Party put out this message in campaigning efforts. It stated, “Canadians deserve an open, transparent government that will focus on their real priorities—economic growth that works for everyone.” They also said, “Only Liberals have a plan for real change that will restore trust in our democracy, and ensure an open and transparent government.”

After nine years of the government, trust in our democracy and the transparency of government has never been lower. Recent numbers show that at least six in 10 Canadians are not satisfied with the accountability and transparency of the Canadian government's spending practices. While polls are not gospel, I must ask those opposite, is this not the slightest bit concerning?

This theme extends beyond just the realm of this green slush fund. While NDP-Liberals pull out all of the stops to virtue-signal on how great their climate plan has been and how great it has been for Canadians, they have failed to hit a single emissions reduction target. According to the Auditor General, they are unlikely to hit their 2030 targets either.

There is something to be said for sticking to what one says one will do. It is a matter of integrity and, frankly, pride. However, I am routinely surprised by the lack of shame for its many shortfalls demonstrated by the government.

Of course, this all comes as the ever-present carbon tax continues to hurt Canadians at the pumps and at the grocery stores. As I described earlier, it is “do as I say, not as I do”. It creates a clear double standard in which the government can do no wrong, but Liberals continue to attack industries in my home province of Alberta for easy political points with their ever-diminishing voter base.

The government's recently announced emissions cap for the oil and gas sector is a blatant attempt to strangle an industry that is, frankly, critical to Canada's economic prosperity and growth. The irony is that they continue to fail to hit their own emission targets while expecting provinces and industries within said provinces to now follow a new arbitrary production cap. How is that not a double standard?

Recent data from Stats Canada shows that energy-rich Alberta contributed 38.2% to the overall natural resources GDP in 2022. Let it be known from coast to coast that Albertans take incredible pride in how we do energy. We excel in planning and executing reclamation processes to return the land we use back to how it looked and how it was used before development upon the land took place. The notion that Albertans are anti-environment is simply untrue and reeks of anti-Alberta prejudice. The ability to harness Canada's natural resources is truly a Canadian superpower; by extension, this makes Alberta an all-star. The energy sector is a massive contributor to employment in central Alberta, and applying a de facto emissions cap would be devastating to those employed in my riding.

I am a fourth-generation farmer. I work hard to represent fellow farmers here in the House. On top of that, the people of Red Deer—Mountain View have placed their trust in me as their elected representative to advocate for them and be their voice in Ottawa. Not only do I cherish this trust, but I will also fight for their interests as long as I have the honour of representing them in the House of Commons.

On that note, I want to shift my focus back to the government. I will turn my attention specifically to the hon. member opposite who sits as Canada's Minister of Environment. I do this because this individual announced the de facto production cap on our oil and gas sector, and while he has stated reasons of his own, I wish to highlight an alternative explanation, not only for this cap but also for the government's reluctance to disclose documents that would expose the corruption that has taken place.

If we were to open up the books and look at the environment minister's working history, we would see that he was a strategic adviser for more than 10 years at a Canadian fund dedicated to the development of clean technologies. One might say that sounds awfully familiar, given the matter that has seized the House for about a month now. What was SDTC? It was also a Canadian fund dedicated to the development of clean technologies, except that it was run by the federal government. While that is the case, it goes even deeper than that.

For those unfamiliar with the matter, one of the directors of this very fund found their way onto the board of SDTC. On top of that, this green slush fund has had a history of giving money to companies in the portfolio of the fund our environment minister used to work at.

The saying often goes that people in government should always strive to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest. This is a means to ensure that faith and trust in our institutions remain strong. Therefore, it is bizarre that any person armed with a handy little tool called Google is able to find out that there are so many layers to the corruption we are attempting to uncover.

As members of Parliament, we represent our constituents; not only that, but we also represent ourselves. That is true. It is a fact of human nature. As I outlined before, I have no qualms telling people about where I come from, about the honest work I do on our beautiful farm in Red Deer County or about the interest I represent on behalf of those in my riding.

It seems such forthcomingness is not a characteristic shared by some of those who sit opposite from me and my colleagues. That is, of course, what we are discussing here today, and it leaves many questions unanswered. What other interests does the government hold that it continues to conveniently cover up for its own political gain? Once again, it is do as I say, not as I do.

This narrative has become tiring for everyone in Canada. That much is absolutely clear. Conservatives have been steadfast in our efforts to prosecute the government for its many shortcomings and dishonesties to Canadians; Canadians themselves are fed up and have had enough with the NDP-Liberal government. Both say that something needs to change.

When scholars look back at this tumultuous period within the Liberal caucus and the many uncertainties that have come with it, I worry that their takeaways will be less than charitable. Whatever happened to setting a good example for our children and teaching them the importance of accountability for one's actions? Whatever happened to showing one's homework when presenting proposals to chief executives? As a reminder, here in the House, the chief executives over all of us are the Canadian taxpayers who sent us here. Our responsibility is to them, to the people who pay for us to sit here in the House, but some twiddle their thumbs and pretend there is not a massive cover-up taking place here.

A carbon tax election is around the corner, but for now, the government is still hanging on. This is despite the fact that many Canadians across the political spectrum are telling the Prime Minister he is not worth the cost, the crime or the corruption.

I will now move away from indicting the government's actions because I wish to appeal to the better angels here today. As many of my peers in the teaching profession and in the scholarly realm will often say, history is the best teacher. When we look back on history, there is an abundance of literature and cases showing that the truth always comes out in the end.

The truth prevails, no matter how powerful the efforts are to suppress it. The reality is that we see this in recent history, even in the past couple of decades. The truth, whether the government likes it or not, is going to come out sooner or later. As always, if someone has nothing to hide, why bother? On the flip side, if someone does have something to hide, they would be better off coming clean sooner rather than getting burned twofold when the truth comes to light without their hand in it.

History is the best teacher, and as with all governments, sometime in the near future, the current government will become just that: history. When it does, as with all governments that come and go, it will be subject to the 20/20 vision that is hindsight and held to the level of scrutiny that it can grant. This is what we call legacy. Legacy is what we leave for the history books and the impact we leave on people once we have left them. What legacy does the Prime Minister want to be known for? What legacy do his colleagues wish for their government? Does the government wish for its legacy to be that it is better to hide mistakes and wrongdoings if it should suit its purposes?

As parliamentarians, we are not the masters but the servants. As I said before, our masters are the Canadian people, and our purposes should fall second to the needs of the Canadian people. They need a transparent and accountable government. Was that not the promise the Liberals gave those who voted for them in 2015? Is this going to be yet another broken promise by the government?

Now, more than ever, with trust in our institutions at an all-time low, we cannot afford this sort of tomfoolery. We need to ensure that Canadians can trust us to get things done and that our federal government does not fall into obscurity in the eyes of the Canadian public. It is not too late to right the ship in this instance and come clean to the people of Canada. Today, I hope this message resonates with my colleagues across the floor.

Another question I have for the government regarding its potential legacy is this: Do the government members wish to leave behind the lesson that taking on a sacred duty to their country as an elected representative is something that can be shrugged at and abused? A recurring theme in the government has been that of conflict of interest, time and time again.

Parliamentarians are entrusted with the sacred duty to represent the voices of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands. These voices should always supersede those of powerful corporations and investment funds. Common-sense Conservatives have been strongly against the presence of corporate lobbyists in our political process. We will always advocate that the best way for Canadians to influence their parliamentarians is to speak to them directly. The tables have turned. It is the people's time to be heard.

I have one last question: Does the government wish to teach future generations that it is okay to freeze the nation's legislature for more than a month, to shrink from accountability over hundreds of millions of taxpayers' dollars?

I hope every member opposite is able to ask these questions in private, as they look in the mirror after work today. After all, we are at work, and taxpayers have sent us here to advocate for their best interests. How withholding these documents serves Canadian taxpayers is beyond me.

As would the people I represent in Red Deer—Mountain View, I would appreciate a more genuine response than a simple non-answer. It is time for us, as the adults in the room, to take stock of where we are as a democracy and ensure that we are moving forward in a way that best reflects the views and values of the people of Canada. This is a chance for us to show Canadians we can still get things done in this country for the good of all citizens. It was not always like this in Canada, and it will not be like this forever.

The winds of change are setting upon Canada, ready to transform our country once more, as all democracies observe. We are in a transformative time when many things are uncertain. While there still remains much that we are unsure of, such as what the future holds, one thing remains clear: Canadians deserve better.

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Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, let me challenge the member across the way, as he asks members of the Liberal caucus to look in the mirror. I will ask him to look at a story in The Hill Times from October 31 written by Steven Chaplin, a former senior legal counsel in the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel. It is a reflection on the behaviour taking place. It states, “It is time for the House to admit its overreach before the matter inevitably finds its way to the courts which do have the ability to determine and limit the House’s powers, often beyond what the House may like.”

Let there be no doubt that this is a power play by the leader of the Conservative Party, who, I would argue, could be held in contempt because of the methods being used in the chamber, or maybe not him directly but his caucus. At the end of the day, we are being asked to provide unredacted documents directly to the RCMP, which the RCMP, the Auditor General of Canada and others have said is not appropriate. Who is right, the—

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NDP

The Assistant Deputy Speaker NDP Carol Hughes

The hon. member for Red Deer—Mountain View.