House of Commons Hansard #368 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was liberals.

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5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

Madam Speaker, that is a very interesting comment from the member opposite.

This came from the Speaker. We know what happened the last time the Liberals chose not to give information to the Speaker. They took him to court. The question is, by whom are the games being played? We know what happened before when the government did not want to produce papers.

I am sure many people have different views, but the point is that it is the Speaker who asked for this, and that is what the Conservatives will ensure is going to happen.

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5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC

Madam Speaker, my question is very straightforward. Right now, in Parliament, absolutely nothing is happening and everything is at a standstill. In my colleague's opinion, who has something to gain from the current situation? Who is benefiting from it?

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5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

Madam Speaker, as we mentioned before, when dealing with conflicts of interest, there comes a time when one has to make a stand. That is what I see has taken place. The Speaker took a stand and said what had to happen. That is an important aspect of where we are at the moment.

It is difficult to keep track of the various scandals taking place. It is one thing to go back over the list, which, as someone mentioned earlier today, would take up pretty well the main part of a speech, but this is about the scandals in the hopper at this point in time, and there are more, it seems, each and every day.

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5:25 p.m.

NDP

Lisa Marie Barron NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Madam Speaker, I am hearing that Canadians across the country are bewildered and want us to continue the important work they elected us to do in representing them. There are so many things Canadians need us to talk about, but instead we are hearing the same things over and over again. I would love to see this go to committee so we can dig into it and find some solutions.

We hear what the Conservatives are saying over and over again about Liberal insiders. I find that interesting because we know that SDTC's Annette Verschuren, which I have said before, has donated tens of thousands of dollars to both the Conservatives and the Liberals. We also know that she was an adviser to Mulroney while he was in power.

Should the Conservatives not be talking about the Liberal and Conservative insiders instead of just the Liberal insiders?

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5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

Madam Speaker, I think the last time I spoke, there was a similar question. Of course, it is easy to say tens of thousands, but it is not that amount as far as the Conservatives are concerned. As we know, Navdeep Bains worked his way around the proper procedures for determining who would be the chairperson of SDTC, so it goes a lot deeper than that. As for the donations she made, they were for people who were friends of hers, not friends of the government.

At any rate, when I look at the actions of the Liberals in this case, it would be nice if the NDP's leadership could put pressure on the Liberals. We hear members say the situation would be easy once it gets to committee, but many of us have spent time in committee and understand that is not the case.

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5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

Madam Speaker, I think Canadians are astonished. We had a new board chair of SDTC, and the answers the public want to know deal with governance. The hon. member has a successful farm. He was successful in education too, and with education, of course, comes governance. We saw a lack of responsibility and accountability, with 186 conflicts of interest from the board since 2017. That is the issue. SDTC was a pretty good company until about late 2016 to 2017.

What does the minister think about the governance issues or lack thereof?

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5:25 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

I do not know that the member is a minister at this point, but I will ask him to respond.

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5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

Madam Speaker, that is certainly something to aspire to.

Some $58 million went to companies that were not eligible, and this money must come back. There is always a question about whether this came from a board member. That is where the conflict of interest comes from. Still, there is the other side of it about things having nothing to do with SDTC. It is very similar, as we heard earlier today, to the discussion about the minister from Alberta and the issues that his company had with claiming that it was an indigenous company. Great pains were taken to say certain people did not get any money. That is true, but that does not mean they did not apply.

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5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Madam Speaker, the RCMP has said that it does not need or want the documents in question. The Speaker has strongly suggested that the proper course is to go to committee and not hand parliamentary documents over to a third party.

To the hon. member, who must be getting very tired of the storyline, what is wrong with just following the advice of the RCMP and the Speaker?

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5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB

Madam Speaker, as the member from the Liberal Party mentioned, they are concerned. They believe that it would be nice to move on. If the documents get into the hands of an outside group, it could be years before we get to the bottom of what is taking place. When we ask for documents here, it is an opportunity for the truth to come out as soon as possible. That is important, and I believe it is something Canadians are asking for.

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November 7th, 2024 / 5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Madam Speaker, at a time when Canadians are struggling to put food on their tables, when the dream of home ownership in Canada is just that, a dream for many young Canadians, and when our country is plagued by so many other serious challenges brought upon us by the failed policies of this incompetent and reckless NDP-Liberal government, here we are again this afternoon continuing debate on the government's failure to live up to its responsibilities and the Speaker's order to produce important documents pertaining to the Sustainable Development Technology Canada green slush fund scandal. In fact, this is my second time speaking to this important issue.

Today, I am here debating the amendment that would replace the reporting date of Friday, November 22, with the following: “the 30th sitting day following the adoption of this order”. This change makes sense given the uncertainty around when debate on this important issue will finish. No one knows for sure when that will be, but the Conservatives are doing our part in holding this corrupt Liberal government to account until it hands over the ordered and unredacted SDTC documents to the RCMP.

While Friday, November 22, sounds far away, it is in fact just around the corner when we consider that Remembrance Day is on Monday, and next week all members of Parliament will be in their constituencies catching up with their constituents, local stakeholders and their families. By the time we return to this place, it will be November 18, and November 22 is that Friday.

When November 22 was first proposed in the motion, no one could have imagined we would be continuing to debate this issue in the House of Commons. Back then, it sounded like a reasonable and realistic date to set as a deadline. However, the Liberal government has dug in its heels and is refusing to budge. That is how Canadians watching from home know that the Liberals are hiding something, and that something must be very concerning. That is why we are here today to hold this corrupt government to account.

It dismays me greatly that since the first time I debated this subject a few weeks ago, the Liberals have still not done what is right and handed over the ordered and unredacted SDTC documents to the RCMP. Consequently, the House of Commons remains seized by this issue and paralyzed from moving on from it.

For those watching at home, I will note that SDTC was established by the Government of Canada in 2001. As a federally funded foundation, it was responsible for the approval and disbursement of over $100 million annually in taxpayer funds to help Canadian companies develop and deploy sustainable technologies. For many years, SDTC operated responsibly and earned a generally good reputation for its work. However, that all changed in 2019 when former Liberal industry minister Navdeep Bains appointed Annette Verschuren as chair of SDTC. The issue at hand was a matter of conflict of interest. Verschuren was an entrepreneur who was already receiving SDTC funding through one of her companies, and then she was appointed by the NDP-Liberal government to hold responsibilities in overseeing the very same SDTC funds that her company was receiving.

That fact alone should have sounded alarm bells and set off flashing red lights to alert everyone in the government about the obvious conflict of interest at hand. In fact, it was no secret. The minister, the Prime Minister's Office and the Privy Council Office all knew, and they were warned of the risks associated with appointing a conflicted chair. However, those warnings fell on deaf ears and there was indifference, as Verschuren was appointed by the Liberal minister anyway. How can we tell that a government has lost its moral compass? It is when it makes poor decisions like this one without concern for doing the right things and without fear of consequence.

Only two years later, in January 2021, Minister Bains announced that he had decided to step away from politics and not run again in the upcoming federal election. That same year, SDTC entered into a five-year, $1-billion agreement with the Department of Innovation, Science and Economic Development. Fast-forward to the fall of 2024, and it is clear that the Liberals are trying desperately to run away and wash their hands of this mess, one they laid the foundation for through their own actions, and especially after the Auditor General released a scathing report about SDTC in June 2024.

The AG found massive issues at SDTC, which resulted in the current Minister of Industry, the hon. member for Saint-Maurice—Champlain, abolishing the SDTC and immediately transferring its funds over to the National Research Council of Canada. These are truly astonishing developments in just three years for something the Liberal government does not want to talk about anymore.

What did the AG find that was so bad to cause all this carnage? In June 2024, the AG found that SDTC demonstrated “significant lapses in governance and stewardship of public funds”. Nearly 20% of the SDTC projects examined by the AG were in fact ineligible, based on the government's own rules for funding, with a total price tag of $59 million. There were also 90 instances where the SDTC ignored conflict of interest provisions while awarding $76 million to various projects. Indeed, the AG found 63 cases where SDTC agency directors voted in favour of payments to companies in which they declared interests. Further, there were serious matters of governance, including the fact that the board did not have the minimum number of members required by law.

The report concluded: “Not managing conflicts of interest—whether real, perceived, or potential—increases the risk that an individual’s duty to act in the best interests of the foundation is affected, particularly when making decisions to award funding.” It also blamed the government's Minister of Industry, whose ministry did not sufficiently monitor the contribution agreements with SDTC.

Believe it or not, it gets far worse. Since June, the Auditor General found that directors had awarded funding to projects that were ineligible and where conflicts of interest existed. Over $300 million in taxpayer money was paid out in over 180 cases where there was a potential conflict of interest, with Liberal-appointed directors funnelling money to companies they owned.

Time after time, this Liberal government and its Prime Minister have shown total contempt for Canada's ethics laws. In fact, the Prime Minister himself has been the subject of three ethics investigations and was found guilty of breaking ethics laws twice. The Liberal government allows the culture of law-breaking to persist, as six Liberals have been found guilty of breaking ethics laws. Liberals have gone through these ethical scandals before. That is why they are withholding these documents, breaching parliamentary privilege and trying desperately to sweep this mess under the rug and move on to the next thing. However, common-sense Conservatives are not going to let them get away with it.

The Conservatives are holding the corrupt NDP-Liberal government to account. It will be held responsible for its carelessness, recklessness and corruption. This is why, on June 10, 2024, the House of Commons adopted the following motion proposed by common-sense Conservatives on this matter. The motion read:

That the House order the government, Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) and the Auditor General of Canada each to deposit with the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel, within 30 days of the adoption of this order, the following documents, created or dated since January 1, 2017, which are in its or her possession, custody or control.

The motion then details what documents were to be supplied and then directed that “the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel shall provide forthwith any documents received by him, pursuant to this order, to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.”

This common-sense Conservative motion passed with the support of the New Democrats, Green Party and Bloc Québécois. Only the Liberals opposed it. To be clear, nothing in the motion orders the RCMP to conduct an investigation. The House is simply asking that the documents be turned over to the RCMP.

Thirty days came and went, and instead of complying with the adopted motion, federal departments outright refused the House order or provided heavily redacted documents, citing provisions in the Privacy Act or the Access to Information Act. This is not a good look. Nothing in the House order contemplated redactions to documents being made by the government. The House of Commons enjoys the absolute and unfettered power to order the production of documents, which is not limited by statute. These powers are rooted in the Constitution Act of 1867 and the Parliament of Canada Act.

In response to the NDP-Liberal government's failure to produce these documents, the Conservative House leader raised a question of privilege, rightfully arguing that the House privilege had been breached due to the failure to comply with the House order.

On September 26, the Speaker issued a ruling on the question of privilege raised and found the privileges of the House had in fact been breached. Now, nearly a month later, we continue our important debate on this matter today and continue our demands for the Liberal government to provide the RCMP with the unredacted SDTC documents. The Speaker has ruled the government has violated a House order to turn over evidence to the RCMP in its latest $400 million green slush fund scandal.

The NDP-Liberal government's refusal to respect the ruling has paralyzed Parliament, pushing aside all other work to address issues such as the cruel and crippling carbon tax, the cost of living crisis that Canadians face for food and shelter, and the increasing crime, disorder and chaos in our streets and in our communities and cities.

This is happening at a time when the costs of food, fuel and shelter are all up and millions of Canadians are having to line up outside food banks just to survive. Sadly, as Canadians continue to struggle, life for well-connected Liberals and insiders has never been so good.

One of the drivers of this hardship is the cruel NDP-Liberal carbon tax. In fact, this carbon tax will cost the average Ontarian $903 this year. This is completely unacceptable to the constituents in my communities of Niagara Falls, Niagara-on-the-Lake and Fort Erie, who work hard for their money, who save carefully for their futures and who dream of a better tomorrow.

Instead of doing anything about climate change, the NDP-Liberal carbon tax is impoverishing Canadians. Recently, the PBO confirmed Canadians will suffer a net cost, paying more in the carbon tax than they will ever get back in rebates. Unfortunately, the NDP-Liberal government does not care. Instead of giving Canadians the tax relief they deserve, they hiked the carbon tax by 23% last spring as part of their plan to quadruple the carbon tax by 2030. It turns out the carbon tax is not a tool to fight climate change like the Prime Minister argues; it is just another tax grab. Canadians can add it to the long and growing list of Liberal-NDP taxes they already pay including the income tax, sales tax, excise tax, underused housing tax, property tax, capital gains tax and more.

After listing all those taxes, it is easy to see why Canadians are getting poorer. It is because the government is taking more of their hard-earned money away. The SDTC scandal is also happening at a time when the cost of food is up. In fact, food will cost families $700 more this year than it did in 2023. That is because when we tax the farmer who grows the food; the trucker who ships the food; and the store that stocks, stores and sells the food, we end up taxing the family who buys the food.

As Sylvain Charlebois, Canada's “food professor”, who serves as director of Dalhousie University's agri-food analytics lab has said that the costly NDP-Liberal carbon tax “likely adds a significant cost burden to the Canadian food industry.” When it comes to food, Canadians are going hungry. That is evident by the massive surge in demand and need for food banks. Food bank usage has increased every year the NDP-Liberal government has been in office, because its inflationary spending and punishing carbon tax have hiked up the price of groceries, causing Canadians to skip meals, eat less healthy food and rely on food banks to survive.

This was confirmed recently by Feed Ontario, which revealed that a record “one million people visited a food bank in Ontario” in 2024. This is a dramatic increase of 25% from the previous year. In fact, Feed Ontario's CEO told media, “I never thought I would see this day.” Feed Ontario's CEO went on to say, “I've been with the organization for almost 15 years.... I never thought we would reach a number so high....” The CEO could not believe that we reached a point where numbers were so drastically high.

Across Canada, food banks reported earlier this year that they had seen a 50% increase in visits since 2021, with food banks handling a record two million visits in a single month in 2023. Of the people visiting food banks in Ontario, one in three visitors are children. One in six adults visiting food banks are unemployed. The NDP-Liberal government cost of living crisis has become so severe that even working Canadians are having to depend on food banks to get by. These numbers also reflect what is happening across Niagara.

We can try to wrap our heads around some of these statistics from Project Share, which serves vulnerable residents in Niagara Falls. Last year, Project Share saw a 20% increase in people served, compared to to the previous year. There were 4,740 people who accessed its services for the first time. On average, 120 families per day access its essential support services. There were 13,995 people served last year, which equates to one in seven residents of Niagara Falls having accessed its essential support services.

We should be debating these issues, and we could if the government simply abided by the Speaker's ruling and provided the documents the House requested. Why are government members so hesitant to do what is right? Is it that they do not want to speak to the situation facing young Canadians and first-time homebuyers, which is so bad that the Canadian dream of home ownership is dying? Two-thirds of young people believe they will never be able to afford a home.

Canadians see this housing crisis most tragically in our streets, where there are now 1,800 homeless encampments across Ontario and thousands more across the country. Time after time, the NDP-Liberal government has promised to fix the housing crisis, but the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation has been clear that the number of new homes being built is not enough to reduce the existing supply gap and improve affordability for Canadians.

Crime is also getting worse under the watch of the NDP-Liberal government, and perhaps again this is why it refuses to hand over these documents, so we cannot debate these issues that are so important to all constituents.

Since 2015 when the Liberals formed government, the number of auto thefts skyrocketed by 45%, violent crime has increased 50%, human trafficking is up 73% and hate crimes have increased by 251%. Just recently, the Toronto Police Association had to come out publicly and fact-check the Prime Minister.

The reality is the Liberals' soft-on-crime approach is making life easier for violent criminals by repealing mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes with Bill C-5, making it easier to get bail with Bill C-75 and failing to stop the flow of illegal guns across the U.S. border.

These issues I noted are all pressing issues parliamentarians should be debating, but the House of Commons is seized because the government is refusing to comply with the House order to hand over SDTC documents to the RCMP.

Canadians are suffering great hardship after nine years of the NDP-Liberal coalition. The country is headed in the wrong direction, and we are all worse off than we were 10 years ago.

The Speaker has ruled that the government has violated a House order to turn over evidence to the RCMP about its latest Liberal $400-million green slush fund scandal. The Liberal government's refusal to respect the ruling has paralyzed Parliament, which is pushing aside all other debate. It is time for the Liberals to end their corrupt cover-up and provide the ordered documents to the police so Parliament can get back to work and Canadians can have the accountability they so rightly deserve.

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5:45 p.m.

Fredericton New Brunswick

Liberal

Jenica Atwin LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Indigenous Services

Madam Speaker, the member mentioned it is Veterans' Week. I am proudly the member who represents CFB Gagetown and also one of the largest veteran populations across the country. I am certainly eternally grateful for those who serve and have protected our freedoms and democracy in this place.

I know the member respects veterans and those who have served. I wonder if he also respects the men and women who protect us here at home, namely the RCMP. The RCMP commissioner has said, “There is significant risk that the motion could be interpreted as a circumvention of normal investigative processes and Charter protections.” Is the assertion that the commissioner does not know what he is talking about?

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5:50 p.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Madam Speaker, with Veterans' Week coming up, I want to thank all those who have served and those who paid the ultimate sacrifice. Lest we forget.

Instead of talking about the government complying with this order and providing the documents, we should be talking about issues such as homelessness and individuals going to the food bank. It is sad to see the number of veterans going to food banks has increased. That is a shame. The government can simply end this tomorrow. We can get back to the important issues we should be debating, and yet the government refuses to comply with the Speaker's order, which is a shame.

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5:50 p.m.

Bloc

Julie Vignola Bloc Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Madam Speaker, here are a couple of my favourite adages: Two heads are better than one, and opposing for the sake of opposing is not constructive, especially when one is responsible for managing public assets.

I can assure the House that I will never be in government. However, if I were, I would want to know what was not working. I would work with others to improve whatever was going wrong, because that is the responsible and dignified thing to do. We are all elected and we all represent our constituents, not just the ones who voted for us, but also those who voted against us. We must represent them with dignity. That being the case, I find it hard to understand why the government refuses to hand over the documents. This would allow it to ensure, not as a government, but as a manager of funds, that all funds are being used properly.

I would like my colleague to comment on that and on the importance of transparent collaboration between the parties for the common good of the people.

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5:50 p.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Madam Speaker, it is important. When my colleague talks about transparency and the government listening to the advice, first of all, this all could have been avoided. When we go back to the appointment of the chair of the foundation, we find that the Prime Minister's Office, the Privy Council Office and even individuals from the foundation indicated the chair of the board was in a conflict of interest. Still, the government proceeded, which allowed this $400-million fiasco to occur. How about the government takes responsibility? It cannot walk away from its responsibility. It caused this issue.

Can members imagine what we could have with $400 million in our communities? We are building a brand new hospital in my community. That is $400 million right there.

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5:50 p.m.

NDP

Lisa Marie Barron NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Madam Speaker, I also want to do a quick acknowledgement, with Remembrance Day coming up on November 11, of the local veterans and frontline workers who have done so much for our country. In particular, I want to acknowledge the legions in my riding of Nanaimo—Ladysmith, branches 256, 257 and 10, for all the work they do for our communities.

My question is coming from a genuine place. We have all heard the ruling from the Speaker, and I genuinely want to understand because I want to get back to talking about the important things Canadians want us to be talking about, like the cost of living, housing and the toxic substance crisis. I could go on.

Can the member clarify the ruling from the Speaker? My understanding is that he asked for it to go to committee, for us to get to the bottom of it. Can he clarify if he also has read that same ruling and if, perhaps, there is another interpretation of what was said?

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5:50 p.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Madam Speaker, in my speech, I read what the motion indicated. It said:

That the House order the government, Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) and the Auditor General of Canada each to deposit with the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel, within 14 days of the adoption of this order, the following documents, created or dated since January 1, 2017, which are in its or her possession, custody or control....

The motion then detailed that it go to the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel, who “shall provide forthwith any documents received by him, pursuant to this order, to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police”.

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5:55 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I wonder if it would be possible to have the Table provide the member a copy of the Speaker's motion that we are supposed to be—

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5:55 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

That is not a point of order.

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5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

That is not a point of order, and I mentioned it in my—

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5:55 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

I already indicated to the member it is not a point of order. The hon. member will have an opportunity for more questions and comments, if he wishes to answer.

The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.

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5:55 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, I would highly recommend that the member actually read the amendment. Both the questions from my Liberal colleague and the New Democrats were very genuine, and it was interesting how he sidestepped them completely. He is a pretty smart guy. Surely to goodness he recognizes that the leader of the Conservative Party is actually playing a multi-million dollar political game that is purely self-serving to the leader's interests and the interests of the Conservative Party.

The Conservatives cannot answer legitimate questions because they know they are wrong. They try to say it is the government, but shame on them because the fault lies within the Conservative Party. Why not just allow the issue to go to committee? That is what the motion is suggesting. The Conservatives, on the other hand, want to play their multi-million dollar silly game when the RCMP, the Auditor General and the Speaker's direct ruling on the matter say that is what should be taking place. Let us have this debate but let us do it in the procedure and House affairs committee.

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5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Madam Speaker, the Speaker ruled that the privileges of the House had been breached by the government's failure to produce those documents. This could end tomorrow. All the government has to do is produce those documents. We are not asking for the RCMP to make rulings. We are asking for those documents be provided to the RCMP. It would then be up to the RCMP to determine what to do with anything going forward.

We should be talking about other issues, such as what that $400 million could be used for. One in seven residents in my community of Niagara Falls is visiting a food bank. What could that $400 million do to assist members of my community? That is what we should be talking about. The government's refusal to comply with the Speaker's order is what we should not be talking about. The government should be listening to the Speaker's order, and we should be moving on to issues that impact our community.

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5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

Madam Speaker, it is obvious why we are having this debate. We brought this forward in June and, five months later, the government has still not brought the documents out. I will tell members why the government does not want to have the unredacted documents. It does not have an agenda. Its members are happy to sit, day after day, talking about this. They have no political agenda and have simply run out of ideas. When they run out of ideas, they sit and waste time.

We, the opposition, brought this up, as members well know, in June. Five months later, we are still talking about it. The Liberals are happy to go on for another five months because they have no political agenda. They are wiped out for ideas with respect to this country.

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5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Madam Speaker, my colleague is absolutely right. The government is not willing to proceed on other issues. It has no further agenda items. It is a government that has lost its way.

Do members know that SDTC has the ability to go and get that $400 million? Why has it not gone back to get that money back for the taxpayers of Canada? That money could be going to support the people who need it most in our communities. The government refuses to do it, and that is a shame for all of us.