House of Commons Hansard #386 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was conservatives.

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11:55 a.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, according to CBC in April 2012, “Jean-Pierre Fortin, national president of the Customs and Immigration Union, said 1,026 jobs will be eliminated within three years, and that represents a ‘direct attack to our national security and public safety.’”

The issue of cuts under the Conservative regime was, in fact, very serious. On the one hand, Conservatives are critical, yet when they were in government, in particular when the leader of the Conservative Party was sitting around the cabinet table, there were serious cuts to Canada's border control: well over 1,000 jobs and other financial resources.

The member makes reference to sidestepping and how the Conservative Party today does a disservice to Canadians by, in essence, amplifying a false narrative that often we hear coming from the United States. Could he expand on that thought?

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11:55 a.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Madam Speaker, it is a very serious situation we are facing with Donald Trump. We certainly know that President Zelenskyy is doing everything he can to defend Ukraine, while Donald Trump is putting in a Putin troll as his director of national intelligence. The world order is disintegrating around us and we need to know that Canada stands for something.

Canada was a founder of the International Criminal Court, yet we have criminal court indictments against Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu, and what does the member in Stornoway say? He said defending the International Criminal Court, which Canada helped build, is “woke” and “harebrained”.

The Conservatives do not believe in the rule of law. They are not worried about what is happening with Zelenskyy and they will support Trump in undermining Canada, forcing tariffs on us and destroying our economy, all to get at the Prime Minister.

Surely to God they have to rise a little higher out of the gutter if they are going to represent Canadians.

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Noon

Conservative

Doug Shipley Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON

Madam Speaker, the member opposite for Timmins—James Bay talked a lot about the fentanyl situation here in Canada. Recently, a memo drafted by CSIS for the Prime Minister stated, “CSIS identifies more than 350 organized crime groups actively involved in the domestic illegal fentanyl market”.

We are now producing much more fentanyl here in Canada, and we have become a net exporter of fentanyl rather than an importer of this product. Can the member sit back and say this is not a Canada-created problem? We are now exporting more of this drug than we are importing, and we are sending it to other countries. We have an overabundance of it and it is obviously a problem. What has the member got to say about that issue?

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NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Madam Speaker, it is fascinating for a member whose party cut the border intelligence unit in half to then have the gall to say Conservatives are worried about illegal gangs in our country. They did not care at all when his party and the member who lives in Stornoway sat around the cabinet table and got rid of the sniffer dogs on the intelligence units that were stopping the gangs from shipping fentanyl one way or the other. They did not care at all when they cut the teams that were trained for years to go undercover.

Now, undercover is mostly the member in Stornoway on any given night when we are voting in the House on all his dumb motions, and he keeps them going all night long, but he is always undercover. The undercover teams, though, the Conservatives cut them. That was years and years of work to protect us and international allies from these gangs and from fentanyl. The Conservatives did not care then and they do not care now. They are just Trump's little sock puppets.

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Bloc

Louis-Philippe Sauvé Bloc LaSalle—Émard—Verdun, QC

Madam Speaker, I cannot help but feel bad for the member for Timmins—James Bay when I hear him lamenting about how Canada used to be. Canada demonstrated it was independent from the United States in 2003 and 1975.

Now that his country has become a zombie country, now that the Prime Minister is running down to Florida to be humiliated, does he understand that it was not worth sending the army into the streets of Quebec in 1970, that it was not worth repatriating the Constitution in 1982, and that it was not worth cheating in 1995? Does he now understand the value of independence?

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NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Madam Speaker, I remember when we had to send in the army to help old people who were dying in old folks homes in Quebec during COVID, because the province called on Canada to come in there. As the member collects his paycheque from Canada, and eventually his pension, he should at least apologize to the old people who were left to die, under Quebec's competence, in the seniors homes in Quebec during COVID, because that was an absolute disgrace that was allowed to happen. Thank God Canadian soldiers stepped in.

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Noon

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Madam Speaker, if you would indulge me, I would like to thank my hon. colleagues for this year in particular. It was a difficult year for my family as the matriarch of the Fishing Lake Métis Settlement, my late mother, Mary Grace Desjarlais, passed away. She passed away surrounded by loved ones and family, and she went the way that she always wanted to, surrounded by her grandchildren. I want to thank my hon. colleagues, my constituents and of course all members of the House for their immense support during this difficult time for me and my family.

I also want to thank the member for Timmins—James Bay. His stalwartness, kindness and demeanour have often shone on this place an ability for us to rise to a better kind of standard, a kind of standard that asks us to think of each and every one of us as part of a larger and greater path that, in many ways, would, hopefully, result in Canadians being even more united. Crisis after crisis, and in particular during COVID-19, as the report suggests, or in dealing with the tariffs being threatened by President-elect Trump, we must find ways to come together.

These are serious issues that can impact every single one of our constituents, every single one of our families and every single part of our lives. When these kinds of issues threaten, we should go beyond being simply political opponents and rise to becoming allies, as Canadians. However, the opposite is so often taking place, where being political enemies for the ability to score cheap electoral points becomes the primary objective.

When the United States threatens 25% tariffs, my goodness, across the board on all goods, we have the Conservatives speaking to the talking points of Trump and gaslighting Canadians, suggesting in some way, shape or form that Canada controls the imports on the American border, which is ridiculous. Every country is responsible for protecting its sovereign borders, its sovereign boundaries, including the United States.

What have we seen from the United States? I have said this in the House before, but watching President-elect Trump is like watching a scary movie twice. We have had to experience and witness his administration in the past. We know the kinds of tactics this guy uses. This guy is bashing Canada, our workers and our economy. We, as a country, must unite against that kind of bullying tactic. Unfortunately, time and time again we see that the Conservatives often take the points of the conservatives south of us in order to attack Canadian interests here at home. That is of incredible concern.

It should be of incredible concern to all Canadians. When the next crisis happens, who will stand with us? Canadians must know that when a crisis impacts every single one of us, we will unite. I am deeply concerned about the changing tradition and consensus in this place. At one point, we would never have been political enemies; political opponents, yes, but not political enemies. That future is now more relevant to us than ever before as we question the interests of the Conservative Party, which consistently uses American talking points to attack Canada's industry, Canadian border officers and the very values we stand for.

Canada is not the 51st state. I am ashamed to have to say that, especially to remind my Conservative colleagues. It is an attack on sovereignty, on our interests and on our values. It is an attack on the kinds of values that suggest no matter where someone lives, who they love and how much they make, they will be at home here in Canada. Those values are being undermined consistently in this place by Conservatives, who continuously seek to gain partisan advantage at the expense of working Canadians. This is a troubling fact that I hope we can rise above. It is one we need to rise above to directly combat the very real interests of Donald Trump's America.

What we saw during COVID-19 was a deadly combination of a government that was out of touch with Canadians, an international pandemic and the age of Internet and misinformation. These three things together are now coalescing in an organized fashion to attack our very democratic tradition. Western democracies across the globe are under attack. It is imperative that we understand the threat, come together to unite against it and speak to the better values of Canadians.

In this place, we should always imagine the kind of Canada that would benefit each and every one of us. It was consistently said by New Democratic leaders to dream big dreams of our country. We should not dream tiny dreams like becoming the sock puppet of America, but dream of becoming a country that stands for justice, truth, peace and prosperity for all human life and that when those values are threatened, we would come together and combat that threat because we know the risk it runs.

The member for Timmins—James Bay gave us a very good history lesson on this. During World War II we saw what these divisive politics can do, and it cost millions of lives. When we start to turn on our neighbours and on one another, it has deadly consequences. At that time, Canadians did not fall at the crisis. We did not fall to the misinformation by Nazi Germany or to the crumbling economy that war presented; we stood up, joined hands, some picked up a rifle while others picked up a hammer and we went to work and to war. Canadians raised the largest merchant navy in the world. The war employed millions of Canadians here at home and created hundreds of Crown corporations. We invented new things right here in Canada. What a great memory for each and every one of us to touch a stone and remember that we have this legacy within ourselves as Canadians. We must find a way to rise to that occasion that would do those who fell in war proud. They fell for peace, freedom and justice. We must stand for those same values today, especially against the immense threat the Americans present.

When we speak of team Canada, we mean a kind of Canada where each and every one of us, although we may disagree on the approach to ensure our country is well-defended economically, would come together against all odds to protect our values and interests. I am deeply concerned by the immense misinformation by Conservatives to destroy the very reputation of our country, polarize each and every one of us, and attack the very integrity of our institutions. Our independent journalists, who risk their lives overseas, are now risking their lives here at home simply for telling the truth.

Here in this chamber, it is with great honour and privilege that I rise and speak to this on behalf of the good people of Edmonton Griesbach, who have exercised their democratic rights to elect a member to speak to these critical issues facing our nation. They expect each and every one of us who knows the threat of what American tariffs present to unite, even amongst our differences, and protect jobs, livelihoods, incomes and the ways we put bread on the table. That is the conversation we are ultimately having.

Trump has said that his number one objective in his threats against Canadians is to balance the American budget. It has nothing to do with the border or drugs; it has everything to do with the very narrow objective of a billionaire president-elect who wants to pad the bank accounts of other billionaires and make Canadian workers pay for it. Worst of all, the Conservatives are applauding him and gaslighting Canadians by saying it is our fault. It has to be Canadians' fault because who else's could it be? What a shame that our workers do so much every single day just to be cast down with a very derogatory comment like that.

I call on all of my colleagues to unite toward a better tomorrow and that big Canada, to dream big dreams and overcome the things that threaten us. Let us defeat these tariffs and stand for Canadian values and Canadian workers.

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12:10 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, I am rising on a point of order. Conservatives proposed this motion. They are not even in the House. I call quorum.

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12:10 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

There is a quorum call.

And the bells having rung:

We now have quorum.

Questions and comments, the hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:15 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate many of the comments that the member has put on the record. One of the things that I think is so important for us all to recognize is just how the trade between Canada and the U.S. is so essential, not only for Canada but also for the United States. Canada has, I have argued, some of the very best negotiators in the world. We are in a great position to ultimately renegotiate if the need is there. We should be united in terms of taking and promoting Canada's advantages. The official opposition today, under the leadership of the Conservative Party, has taken an opposite approach, as if they are puppets of the Trump administration.

I am wondering if my friend could provide further comment on how the Conservatives playing down Canada's interests is hurtful for all of us in Canada.

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12:15 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Mr. Speaker, if we do not all stand for Canada at a time of a threat, when will we stand together? That is the deep concern I have, that Conservatives would be willing to toss out our industry, willing to cast down and gaslight Canadians, willing to to even suggest that our government is attacking or destabilizing the border. These are wild accusations that are parroted by Conservatives here and mentioned on a social media platform by Trump.

We know that Trump's interests are, narrowly, to balance his budget, and that he wants Canadian workers to pay for it. We say no to that. We do need to see that coming together. We need to see labour, especially, at the table, and that is why I would encourage the member. We need a war room that includes labour representatives, because they know the workers, they know the skills, they know our industry and they know exactly how to get it to market. If it is not the United States, it will be elsewhere.

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12:15 p.m.

Bloc

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

Mr. Speaker, my colleague was quick to take on the international trade file. In fact, although he joined that committee only recently, he is already well versed on the issues.

Does he agree or disagree with me regarding negotiations between Canada and the United States or Mexico, more specifically, under the North American Free Trade Agreement and the Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement? When international agreements are being negotiated, Quebec is often left out in the cold. It is often treated as the expendable province.

Did his committee look into that? As a member of that committee, will he ensure that such situations do not occur again during future negotiations?

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12:15 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Mr. Speaker, my hon. colleague is right. I have spoken to Bloc members about this issue. We are united in the fact that we must protect Quebec industries, most particularly the dairy industry. It is one of the best industries in the world, and one of the healthiest and safest products in the world. When Canadians have products of value and quality, it is incumbent upon this chamber to make certain that those products are protected and exported in the highest value that can possibly be attained for that product.

We are seeing malicious attacks by Conservatives south of the border, within CUSMA, to derail softwood lumber industries in my part of the country and the agricultural sector. We need to see, in the renegotiation of CUSMA and the annual review that is coming up, a strong principle that would ensure that trade disputes are met fairly and equitably for Canadians, not just for the highest bidder.

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12:15 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate, so much, the strong, powerful voice of the member for Edmonton Griesbach. I wanted to just raise with him what is obvious to all of us. The Conservatives wrecked the border when they were in power, devastating the supports, including the CBSA. Sadly, the Liberals have not fixed what the Conservatives wrecked. An NDP government is going to actually show respect for our partners and, of course, for the border.

How would that be different from the wreckage that we have seen from Conservatives and the inaction from Liberals?

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12:15 p.m.

NDP

Blake Desjarlais NDP Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Mr. Speaker, my hon. colleague is right. New Democrats are the only ones willing to defend not only Canada's interests but also Canada's values. That is an important part to a lot of this question. In Canada, we value not just our sovereignty but also, above all else, the safety and security of Canadians. Even if a billionaire threatens us, we will not gaslight Canadians. That is a promise; it is unfortunate that we have to make such a promise in this place, but it is real. We will not sell out the values of Canadians just because a billionaire south of the border says he wants more money and wants to charge Canadian workers for it.

The Conservatives cut 1,100 border service officers and dog sniffers, the units that find drugs. They cancelled the very real and important security measures that are present at our borders, the checks and balances that make certain the imports coming into this country and those coming in are safe. We need to do more, and an NDP government will do it.

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12:20 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, this is a very unusual circumstance today because the Conservatives are sabotaging not just the country or the border, but their very own opposition day motion, as they did yesterday. As we know, the practice is that, in supply, each party gets opposition days. The reality is we had an opposition day yesterday that the Conservatives sabotaged. They obviously did not take the day seriously at all and their motion was not serious at all, as usual. They sabotaged it by stopping debate on their own motion.

Today, they have proposed something that again stops debate on whatever motion they want to bring forward. It points to the lack of seriousness of this modern Conservative Party. Since the member for Carleton took over, this party is less serious than it has ever been, more childish than it has ever been and more disrespectful of the Standing Orders. We have had two consecutive question periods where the Standing Orders were basically ripped up and thrown out the window. As the Speaker knows, Conservatives asked questions that had nothing to do with government administration time after time, with a profound and unbelievable disrespect for Canadian democracy.

They show the same disrespect for Canadian democracy, wanting to be the wrecking crew of Canadian democracy, that they have shown on the border. I will come back to the motion that they presented and then, as usual, Conservatives will flee the scene. They will take off, like the member from Carleton did yesterday when the NDP's important motion on—

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12:20 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

I know the hon. member knows that we are not to say whether somebody was here, is here or is going to be here.

The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby.

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12:20 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, the words stand. The reality is that a motion was presented and we just had a quorum call as there were no Conservatives in the House because they were not even prepared to—

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12:20 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

Order. I know I am being tested, but the hon. member knows full well that he is not supposed to say that.

The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby.

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12:20 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, I will move on.

The wreckage of Canadian democracy is quite obvious to anybody watching. By the fact that the Conservatives are sabotaging their own opposition day, what they are saying to Canadians is that they do not take their opposition day seriously. Why should they? They are saying, “We are just going to do whatever the heck we want to do with this day”, which is supposed to be a day when they bring forward, potentially, some solutions that go beyond three-word slogans. That is the limitation the member for Carleton has; three-word slogans are the only thing he seems able to do. A three-word slogan does not resolve more complex issues.

Let us get back to the issue of the border, because it is something the Conservatives should take seriously but have not; their record proves that. We will go back to the dismal, dark years of the most corrupt government in Canadian history, the Harper regime, which was the most disrespectful of Canadian democracy and of Canadians. I have mentioned before in the House the fact that Conservatives slashed veterans' benefits, forcing veterans out onto the street. The Conservatives told seniors that they could not retire anymore, saying, “We are going to add years to your working life.”

I remember standing in the House after the incredibly catastrophic 2012 budget that the Harper regime put forward, reading and getting information from emails, from texts and from people's posts on social media about what that meant for people who had given their entire working life to this country. The Harper regime snatched pensions away in a moment, without any reflection at all. The Conservatives were terrible to Canadians, and they were thrown out of office in 2015 because we all remembered how awful the Harper regime and the Harper Conservatives were.

However, the Harper Conservatives were not awful to one group of people: the billionaires. They loved licking their boots. The billionaires got a number of things from the Harper Conservatives. First were massive liquidity supports to Canada's big banks, so the CEOs of Canada's big banks were sitting pretty. Where did they take the money from? The Harper Conservatives took it from CMHC, helping to create the housing crisis we have today. The housing crisis is thanks to the Harper Conservatives; of that there is no doubt.

The Conservatives also put in place the infamous Harper tax haven treaties. Our PBO, the Parliamentary Budget Officer, who is the impartial, non-partisan arbiter of what makes sense financially and what does not, indicates that the Harper tax haven treaties cost us $30 billion each and every year. The biggest shame of the Liberal government is that it did not end the practice the Conservatives put into place, because there is no doubt that it is very germane to the discussion we are having today.

The Harper regime broke everything: health care, the border and pensions. It even broke veterans' support, showing profound disrespect for the people who laid their life on the line. However, the Harper regime gave a ton of money to the rich. Canada's few dozen billionaires are sitting pretty thanks to the Harper Conservatives, because that is the only thing they did that benefited anybody. The Harper regime benefited only Canada's billionaires.

While the Harper Conservatives were cutting, slicing and dicing all the services Canadians depend on, they came up with the brilliant scheme that, to protect our border, they would slash the Canada Border Services Agency. At CBSA, 1,100 positions were eliminated, and the flow of illegal guns started at that moment thanks to the Harper Conservatives. Thanks to the Conservative Party and Conservative MPs, a flow of illegal guns came across the border. Again, the Liberals should have fixed that immediately when they came to power, but they chose not to, so that shame is something the Liberals carry in part, because they did not fix what the Harper Conservatives broke.

It gets worse, because it is not just what the Conservatives did when in power that imperils the border and the insurance of an undefended border where there is border security in place and where we can ensure that illegal guns and illegal drugs do not come across the border. What the Harper Conservatives did was put all of that in peril. However, then Conservatives decided they would do even better as official opposition. As members know, it is the most inept official opposition we have had in Canada's history. The Conservative party sabotaged its own opposition day. It is a party that increasingly is incompetent and that does not even understand the rule book.

We would think that a member of Parliament, who gets a good salary and a good pension from the people of Canada, would at least take the effort to read the rule book and at least respect the rules and procedures that govern us: the Standing Orders. However, as we have seen over the last few days, the book has not been read by a single Conservative MP, as they disregard it completely. We would think with all of those things in place, Conservative MPs would do that work, and we would think they would come to work with some understanding of what they actually should be doing as members of Parliament.

A great example I can give is that a year ago this week, Conservative MPs came up with the brilliant idea that they would systematically cut services, not as government, but as official opposition. They proposed to cut massively in services. If the votes had passed, all the services in question would have been cut. It is really important and germane, when we talk about the border, to talk about what Conservatives as the official opposition proposed to cut, on December 7, 2023, and December 8, 2023.

We are not talking about the Harper regime. Conservatives stand up and say, “Oh, that was a long time ago. We have changed. We are better now. We are not as bad as we were.” We then look at what they actually moved in the House, what each and every Conservative voted for a year ago, not ten years ago.

Let us start with the border. The Conservatives proposed to cut, to eliminate, the Windsor-Detroit Bridge Authority. The bridge, of course, is the key transfer point between Canada and the United States. This is where much of Canada's trade goes. The Conservatives had already supported the convoy of hate that was blocking the bridge and cost thousands of Canadians their jobs. They supported the convoy of hate here in Ottawa that deprived senior citizens of groceries and people with disabilities of their medication, and that closed 600 businesses in Ottawa.

The convoy of hate, of course, Conservatives all supported. They thought it was just a great thing for people with disabilities to be denied basic fundamental rights, like the right to medication and the right to food, in the same way that they denied services to veterans in slashing all the veterans services. The convoy of hate did real damage.

Conservatives decided to do even more damage by slashing, eliminating, the Windsor-Detroit Bridge Authority. With respect to things like fentanyl, a year ago this week, Conservatives proposed three votes that would slash RCMP funding, three votes to slash on capital expenditures, on operational expenditures and on grants. It is unbelievable. Every single Conservative MP voted to slash the RCMP. Today the Conservatives say they are concerned about fentanyl; however, a year ago, they wanted to cut all the agencies that actually provide that support.

Let us go on. There were 120 votes, including cutting, slashing and eliminating in the Department of National Defence. There is a huge slash there in terms of supplementary benefits. The Conservatives wanted to slash health care. They wanted to slash and eliminate food safety in this country. Who does that? Who, as a member of Parliament, shows up in the House of Commons and says, “I propose to eliminate food safety in Canada”? Yes, we can imagine that. I can see it.

Members around the House were aghast a year ago when that is what the Conservatives proposed. A year later, the memory is still fresh. Not a single Conservative stood up and said, “Hey, look, we were wrong to eliminate food safety. Actually, it makes sense that when we eat something in Canada, it should be safe.” They have not apologized since then. They have had a year to think about it, but no, they have not apologized. They wanted to slash health care and affordable housing.

Yes, my colleague, the member for Winnipeg Centre, remembers. She says it is crazy. It is absolutely crazy.

Conservatives, who have never read the rule book and have never understood what it is like to be an MP, obviously have no understanding of the dramatic cuts they are proposing, not as government. Thank God they are not government, and thank God we are going to do everything on the NDP side to make sure they never form government.

As the official opposition, the Conservatives could not wait to cut, slash and eliminate services. They were just drooling, thinking of all the services that they could eliminate, like food safety and air safety. We can just imagine how Conservatives were chomping at the bit, saying, “Let's give more money to billionaires and let's cut, slash and eliminate everything that benefits everybody else.”

The Conservatives wanted to slash and eliminate the Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs. Indigenous communities are still struggling to get clean water and to get adequate housing. Well, the Conservatives had a solution: just completely eliminate all funding for indigenous communities.

Curiously, and the Speaker will remember this, the Conservatives said that they were concerned about crime. What they wanted to do was eliminate all funding to correctional services. What they basically wanted to do was open the doors of Canada's prisons because, of course, if the funding is eliminated, the prisons cannot operate. Every single Conservative MP, just a year ago, on December 7, 2023, and December 8, 2023, proposed to eliminate correctional services, courts administration services, capital expenditures and operating expenditures.

Basically, I guess the prisons would be self-managed, or they would just open the doors. The Conservatives never really explained how they were going to manage, but if the vote had passed, presented by the member for Carleton, the nation's prisons no longer would have had any correctional officers. It is unbelievable to me and, I think, to every member of the House that Conservatives would do that.

The Conservatives also wanted to eliminate the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. They wanted to cut the Communications Security Establishment. They wanted, and members will remember the vote on it, to cut the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority. I guess the Conservatives thought that air transport security would just kind of go on its own as sort of a self-managed system where I guess people would declare if they have any weapons or bombs before they get on the plane. I do not know what Conservatives were thinking about that, but they proposed it. They had the seriousness of intent to propose it, and they expected us all to vote to cut.

I think the real kicker, and I could go through the 120 votes, is that the Conservatives basically wanted to slash every single service except support for billionaires. It is not on the list. Conservatives did not want to cut support handouts for billionaires. They did not want to cut the infamous Harper tax haven treaties and the $30 billion we lose every year thanks to Conservatives, who never apologized for this.

Vote number three is relevant to how the Conservatives acted when they were in power. It was the worst government in Canadian history, the most corrupt government in history. There was scandal after scandal. Mr. Speaker, you will recall, because it was a Harper Conservative majority, that they shut down every single committee. We were not allowed to get information. Canadians were not given information about the ETS scandal, the G8 scandal and the Phoenix pay scandal, nor about the missing anti-terrorism funding. There were billions of dollars that the Harper Conservatives basically hid in their scandal-ridden, corrupt government.

The Conservatives did all that when they were in power. They slashed the CBSA. Then a year ago, on December 7, 2023, was vote three: slashing the Canada Border Services Agency, voila. It is not just that they slashed the CBSA and wrecked the border; it is also that they tried to do it again a year ago.

The Conservatives will not stand up and say that they apologize for doing that, that it was dumb and a really stupid thing to not read the rule book, that they promise to at least do their homework before they show up in the House and that they promise not to slash the CBSA again. They did it when they were in power. A year ago, they wanted to do it again; a year later, they say they are concerned about the border. They have zero credibility in this. They will never have an ounce of credibility, because they wanted to slash the CBSA again a year ago.

I want to mention one more thing. The opioid crisis is serious. It is true that thousands of Canadians have died. However, the highest rates in this country, tragically, are in Alberta and Saskatchewan. These are two conservative-governed provinces in which the governments have simply not put into place any sort of adequate protections to save lives. In British Columbia, at least, the death rate has plateaued. In Alberta and Saskatchewan, it is skyrocketing. If Conservatives are sincere, they should apologize for how they have let the people in Alberta and Saskatchewan down, with a death rate that continues to skyrocket.

We remember those victims and those families today.

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12:40 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

Before going to questions and comments, I want to make a quick comment on the use of props. We just need to refer to page 617 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice on the use of props in the House of Commons.

I would also remind members that, when we chuck those props onto the desk, it has an impact on the microphone. There was quite a thump when the hon. member did that. Therefore, I warn him not to do it again, please, for our interpreters.

Questions and comments, the hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.

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12:40 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the reminder of how the Conservatives voted against the many different priorities of Canadians last year. It is really quite unfortunate. One of the ways we lift the veil of the Conservatives' hidden agenda is, in fact, by raising issues, as the member has just done.

My question relates to what seems to be the thirst of the Conservative leader to try to demonstrate that the House of Commons is dysfunctional. At the end of the day, whether it is the never-ending filibustering we are witnessing or the fact that the Conservatives introduced a concurrence motion during their own opposition day with a subject matter that is very similar, it is beyond me. It makes no sense, other than if they want to try to be sneaky on something.

Being in the chamber seems to be more about playing a game for the Conservative Party than about wanting to work for Canadians. Could the member provide his thoughts on that?

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12:40 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, it is not that the Conservatives proposed to vote against each of these expenditure lines; they actually did vote against them. They voted to cut those budgets in 120 areas, including the important area of CBSA. They should never be let off the hook for this.

Conservatives think Canadians are gullible. Certainly, the disapproval rates for the member for Carleton are also going up very steadily, because the more they know of him, the more they know that he has nothing to offer beyond three-word slogans and the less they like him. Therefore, we will see, over the course of the next few months, those negative results continue to climb and, as we have already seen, the support for the Conservative Party to soften. Its members do not walk the talk. They propose all of these massive cuts. They have nothing to propose that is positive except massive handouts to billionaires; quite frankly, as a party, they have failed Canadians.

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

December 10th, 2024 / 12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Clifford Small Conservative Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, NL

Mr. Speaker, it is unbelievable to sit here in this place and listen to the House leader of a supposed opposition party give a speech lambasting the official opposition party as if he were a member of the government. Of course, he is a member of the government; the NDP is still a part of the costly coalition. How much gorilla tape did it take to put that agreement back together?

That is one of my questions for him; another question I have is one that I get from folks when I travel in Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, all over Newfoundland and Labrador, and even to Ottawa in the airport. When I talk to people, they ask when we are going to have an election. I tell them that they are going to have to ask the NDP, whose members continue to prop up the government. They voted against our motion, which used their leader's own words to condemn the government. It blows my mind. The Canadian people are wondering what is going on with the New Democrats. What happened to them? Even hard-working trade union members are feeling let down by the NDP-Liberal coalition.

Why will it not support Canadians and call for a carbon tax election?

Public AccountsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:40 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, that is pretty rich. Conservatives have spent their last two question periods illegally in violation of the Standing Orders, not questioning the government but questioning the NDP. That is a laughable pretense, showing how childish the Conservative Party is under the member for Carleton. However, my colleague did ask a legitimate question: What is up with the NDP?

There is dental care, including for 3,000 people in his riding. There is pharmacare, which will benefit 10,000 people in his riding. There is anti-scab legislation, which we have tried to acquire for decades and which is now in place. It is the law of the land in this country now. For the first time, there are affordable housing investments, including by indigenous, for indigenous investments that we have not seen in decades. What is up with the NDP? We work on behalf of Canadians.

Conservatives should learn from that, be inspired by that and do something to help their constituents.