House of Commons Hansard #389 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was finance.

Topics

TaxationOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

NDP

Leila Dance NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Mr. Speaker, the Liberals' short-term GST holiday is creating too much confusion for small businesses across this country. This botched plan is adding more stress on local store owners at the busiest time of year as they scramble to reprice their inventory only to swap back in February.

Thankfully, New Democrats have a plan to make things simple. Let us make the GST cut on life's essentials permanent, so Canadians can have more money and businesses know what to expect.

Will the Liberal government make life easier for everyone?

TaxationOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas Ontario

Liberal

Filomena Tassi LiberalMinister responsible for the Federal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario

Mr. Speaker, I have good news: Our government is delivering Canadians a tax break on GST starting tomorrow, December 14, and this is really going to benefit retailers and consumers.

Let us listen to what the Retail Council of Canada said. This break “will create major tax savings for Canadians, along with economic stimulus for our industry”.

Restaurants Canada called this a big win for the restaurant industry and predicted that our tax break will boost sales by 5%, bringing restaurants $1 billion of additional revenue.

This tax break will bring more people in the door of these small businesses. We are grateful to be providing this break for Canadians.

Canada Post CorporationOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Independent

Kevin Vuong Independent Spadina—Fort York, ON

Mr. Speaker, today the Canada Post strike is a month old and there is no end in sight. This essential service to small businesses is absent during a critical sales period needed for their survival.

Two obstinate groups hold Canada hostage while the Liberals, desperate to cling to power, are afraid to lose NDP support by ending the strike. Both should know that there are no workers to unionize or taxpayers to tax without employers, and the government's failure to act is harming Canada's top employers and our economy.

Will the government do its job, put Canada first, stop hiding behind the CIRB and end this strike?

Canada Post CorporationOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Gatineau Québec

Liberal

Steven MacKinnon LiberalMinister of Labour and Seniors

Mr. Speaker, the job of the Minister of Labour is to respect the Canada Labour Code. That is exactly what we have done.

Today, I acted decisively to use one of the powers granted to the Minister of Labour by Parliament, under the Canada Labour Code, to provide a reasonable solution to workers and a creative way out of this very fundamental impasse that we see at the bargaining table.

We are going to return Canada Post services to Canadians and to those who have been suffering over this conflict and, hopefully, arrive at a negotiated collective agreement by the spring.

Civil Aviation SafetyRoutine Proceedings

12:05 p.m.

Niagara Centre Ontario

Liberal

Vance Badawey LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 32(2) and consistent with the policy on the tabling of treaties in Parliament, I have the honour to table, in both official languages, a treaty entitled “Agreement between Canada and the European Union amending Annex B of the Agreement on Civil Aviation Safety between Canada and the European Community” done at Washington on June 12, 2024.

Government Response to PetitionsRoutine Proceedings

12:05 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8)(a), I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the government's response to 19 petitions. These returns will be tabled in an electronic format.

Interparliamentary DelegationsRoutine Proceedings

December 13th, 2024 / 12:05 p.m.

Liberal

Hedy Fry Liberal Vancouver Centre, BC

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), I have the honour to present to the House, in both official languages, the report of the Canadian Delegation to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe Parliamentary Assembly, respecting its participation at the 22nd autumn meeting in Dublin, Ireland, from October 2 to 4, 2024.

Transport, Infrastructure and CommunitiesCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Schiefke Liberal Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the 21st report of the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, entitled “Towards Accessible Air Transportation in Canada”.

If I have a bit of time, I would like to thank the members of the committee for extraordinary work and the analysts, who also did extraordinary work. I would like to highlight, also, our clerk, Carine, who will be clerking her last meeting today for transport, and thank her for her fine work over the last couple of years.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee requests that the government table a comprehensive response to this report.

FinanceCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Fonseca Liberal Mississauga East—Cooksville, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the 21st report of the Standing Committee on Finance entitled “Pre-Budget Consultations in Advance of the 2025 Budget”.

I would like to thank our outstanding clerk, Alexandre Roger; analysts Michaël Lambert-Racine, Brett Capwell, Joëlle Malo and Mehrab Kiarsi; committee administrative assistant Lynda Gaudreault; Mélanie Therrien from the publications directorate; the whole team of interpreters, technology and staff of the committee; and, of course, all the members of the fabulous finance committee for their dedicated work on this study and report.

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Hedy Fry Liberal Vancouver Centre, BC

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the 16th report of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, entitled “Future of CBC/Radio-Canada: Challenges and Opportunities”.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee requests that the government table a comprehensive response to this report.

I would like to congratulate the committee on all sides for the most remarkable teamwork, having spent extra time in order to meet the deadline that the House set for the committee to table this report. I want to thank the clerk, the analysts and everyone else for just getting this done in record time so that we could follow the House order.

Canadian HeritageCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

Mr. Speaker, I rise to present a dissenting report, in both official languages, on behalf of the Conservative members of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, on the House-ordered study undertaken by the committee on the recent job cuts announced at the CBC. The CBC cut hundreds of jobs while awarding lavish bonuses. This disgraceful abuse of taxpayer dollars when Canadians are struggling for financial survival has contributed to the growing movement to defund the CBC. Conservatives therefore recommend that the following actions be taken: Reject the bonuses, fire the Prime Minister and defund the CBC.

It is my honour to table the dissenting opinion on behalf of the members of the Conservative Party.

Addressing the Continuing Victimization of Homicide Victims' Families ActRoutine Proceedings

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

moved for leave to introduce Bill C-424, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Corrections and Conditional Release Act and the Prisons and Reformatories Act.

Mr. Speaker, I am proud today to reintroduce McCann's law. In 2010, Lyle and Marie McCann from St. Albert were brutally murdered, and their bodies have never been recovered. Their murderer has yet to reveal the location of their remains and this compounds the trauma that the McCann family endures to this day. Lyle and Marie McCann deserve to have a proper funeral and their family deserves this closure.

McCann's law would provide judges, parole boards and correctional officers the tools to hold killers accountable for refusing to reveal the location of their victims' remains. It would extend parole ineligibility and ensure that revealing the location of victims' remains is a key consideration for parole boards. It is clear that there could be no rehabilitation for killers until they acknowledge the severity of their crime and the impact that hiding their victims' remains has on families. It is time to stand up for the rights of victims' families who continue to suffer the trauma of not knowing where their loved ones' remains are. It is time to put the rights of victims and their families above the rights of murderers.

(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and printed)

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Mr. Speaker, I move that the 26th report of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development, presented on Friday, May 10, be concurred in.

I am going to be splitting my time with my colleague and friend, the member for North Okanagan—Shuswap.

Before I get into the substance of my remarks, and as we move to the end of this session, I want to extend Christmas greetings to my colleagues, to members across the way and all the staff of the chamber, to the Deputy Speaker and his staff, and especially to all of the residents of Chatham-Kent—Leamington, whom I have the honour and privilege to represent in this chamber.

When I bring my constituents' voices here, I often speak of some of the major attributes of my riding, the rich agricultural and agri-food capabilities of my home riding. I often speak of the manufacturing sector and the vibrancy there, but today, I want to bring a fish story. Why would I talk about fish from Chatham-Kent—Leamington?

I live one and a half kilometres from the shores of Lake Erie. Lake Erie, one of the five Great Lakes, is actually the shallowest Great Lake. It is the warmest Great Lake and the most productive from a fishing perspective. Indeed, I have several commercial fishing harbours in my riding. Lake Erie is home to walleye, or pickerel, depending on what side of the creek or fence one is speaking from; white and yellow perch, yellow perch being my favourite; whitefish; and numerous other species that bring value and food to our communities, locally, nationally and internationally. This is a fish story. Those are the beautiful fish I just named, but my fish story is about a very ugly fish. Biologically it is a fish, but it looks more like an eel. I am going to be speaking today about the sea lamprey, an eel-like fish parasite.

My story begins on November 30, 1829. Why does it begin then? That was the opening of the first rendition of the Welland Canal. In Ontario, we host one of the seven wonders of the world, the great Niagara Falls, which served as a barrier for entry of this north Atlantic-living fish parasite, the sea lamprey, for eons and decades. However, with the opening of the canal, and the great prosperity that it brought, came challenges.

The canal allowed the sea lamprey to begin its way into the Great Lakes system. There is documentation as early as 1897 of discussions across the border with our American friends about this problem of a fish that is actually an eel about so long, and ugly. It has a sucker-like mouth. If anyone ever has the opportunity to have the Great Lakes Fishery Commission folks stick one to your hand, as they come here at least once a year, take the opportunity. It is an ugly parasite and it began decimating our fishing stocks in the Great Lakes, in particular in Lake Erie. It attaches itself to the fish, making the fish unmarketable.

So began the attempts to control it. Largely, this was done parochially by the eight states that border Ontario. To a smaller degree, Quebec also has shoreline, but not on the most productive lake, Lake Erie.

I should mention one other fact. While it was documented in 1897, the problem began to really escalate with the reopening of the much larger Welland Canal in 1932.

Attempts to address it were largely unsuccessful and the commercial fishing sector was decimated until the treaty of 1954, the Convention on Great Lakes Fisheries, which resulted in agreement and the creation of the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission in 1956. It consists of eight commissioners, four Americans and four Canadians, and it worked very well. It began to address sea lamprey control and was housed under what was at the time external affairs in Canada, which provided the funds from our Treasury. Similarly in the U.S., the State Department transferred the funds to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. In Canada, it was transferred over, post-1979, to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

In hindsight, that is when an error was made. The machinery of government function was transferred in the administration of this commission from the department of external affairs, as it was known then, to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans. That was a mistake because it created a structural conflict of interest.

The Department of Fisheries and Oceans is the agent that carries on the sea lamprey work here in Canada. Back in 1956, there was an agreement struck between the Americans and Canadians that 69% of the cost of sea lamprey control would be borne by the Americans, as that was their share of the Great Lakes, and 31% by Canada. For decades, that worked. Research and other activities were cost-shared at fifty-fifty. For a long time, that worked and was managed binationally.

However, over time, when the funds flowed from our Treasury through to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, were transferred on to the Great Lakes Fishery Commission and then, under contract, were transferred back, the DFO decided that perhaps instead of sending all the funds over, it would just keep what it thought it needed and send on what was not intended to come back by way of contract. That led to the great temptations of withholding funds, of keeping too much and removing the decision-making process from where it ought to be at the binational commission, and it was housed in the ministry itself. This led to friction at the table.

The U.S. felt so strongly about the value of the commission that even though Canada was not paying its share for so long, the U.S. actually funded our share. Over time, the arrears built up to over $77 million. Pressure increased on the government to finally pay Canada's share. In the 2022 budget, the Minister of Finance allotted a budget line item of $44.9 million over five years to fully fund Canada's share, but even that was not enough to solve the issue. Why? Prior to the 2023 negotiations, the DFO informed the commission that it was not going to be forwarding all the funds, as it was so ordered. It retained funds again, causing the U.S. commissioners to walk away from the budget-setting process and walk away from the table. That had not happened before.

Now we have an ugly fish starting to cause an international incident, to the degree that U.S. congressmen have written letters directly to the Prime Minister's Office. This was a matter of discussion when the U.S. President was here in May 2023. This ugly fish was a topic that had to be taken to the highest levels because Canada was not funding its proper amount. The U.S. commissioners had had enough and boycotted. Can anyone imagine this happening?

Let me read an excerpt of the letter from the congressmen dated June 6, 2023:

We are writing to draw your attention to a matter of great concern regarding the implementation of the Convention on Great Lakes Fisheries of 1954....

As members of the bipartisan Great Lakes Task Force, we were pleased to hear about the attention given to the Great Lakes during President Biden’s recent visit to Ottawa. However, we are concerned by the breakdown in the functioning of the Great Lakes Fishery Commission (or Commission), which is responsible for coordinating cross-border fishery management and controlling invasive sea lamprey....

They go on to identify the structural interest. The commission itself secured a legal opinion by Fasken over the studies the fisheries committee did. It has asked for the Department of Fisheries and Oceans' counter legal opinion. None was provided. The request has been sitting on the Prime Minister's desk since April 2022. It is my understanding that the machinery of government is finally being transferred over.

What is the lesson for us? The lesson here is that governance is important. Accountability is important, as we are seized with in this chamber on a daily basis now.

I will close with another biological metaphor. The problem is that the tail has wagged the dog. It is in the chamber and through committees and governments that we are to enable the legislation and direct our bureaucracies. That is not what has been happening and I most certainly do not want to see this happen again.

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:25 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, there are literally hundreds of different reports before the House of Commons. One could argue that if we were to call each and every one of those reports, the government, no matter what political stripe, would never get the opportunity to deal with government business, private members' bills and so forth.

The Conservatives continue this multi-million dollar filibuster at great cost to Canadians that goes far beyond their tax dollars. My question to the member is related to the Conservative Party's continued abuse, preventing any sort of discussion on bills on the floor of the House of Commons because they want to show that the chamber is dysfunctional.

Does the member feel in any way whatsoever that he is contributing to the self-serving agenda of the leader of the Conservative Party?

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Mr. Speaker, the substance of the issue is at the very heart of what we have spent two months doing here. We are talking about accountability. There was not accountability within the Department of Fisheries and Oceans in respecting the will of the chamber and transferring the funds from the Treasury to the international commission that was created by treaty. Canada was not living up to its obligations there, and our bureaucracy was not living up to obligations.

We are talking about the government not standing up to the orders of the chamber. It is the very same issue. The answer is no. We are preventing a great deal of problematic legislation from coming forward and we are absolutely willing to debate the issues of the day when the government respects the orders of the chamber.

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:25 p.m.

NDP

Lisa Marie Barron NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Mr. Speaker, first and foremost, I want to thank the member for bringing forth this important topic. I know this is a topic that was front of mind in the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans. I believe the member, alongside myself and other members in the House, received the Water Warrior award from the Great Lakes Fishery Commission for the work we have been doing around invasive species.

Something that came up quite frequently in committee was the importance of the transfer of responsibility for the Great Lakes Fishery Commission to Global Affairs Canada so that money can be put into the important work of those on the front line, making sure this invasive species is being taken care of.

Have we seen the action that has been clearly stated by the fisheries and oceans committee taken to resolve this issue once and for all?

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Mr. Speaker, indeed, we have both received that award. While not a sitting member of that committee, I have certainly subbed in because this issue is so very important to me.

Have we solved this issue? We have had indications that the government is going to transfer the machinery of government. What we have not seen yet is evidence that the monies are going to flow directly from the Treasury to the Great Lakes Fishery Commission and then, after its decision-making, flow respectively to the DFO.

Let me put on the record two other things. First of all, as we worked on this at committee, there was largely multipartisan support for the transfer of the machinery of government. It was recognized at committee that there was a structural conflict of interest. Second, the solution was basically agreed upon.

I have lost my train of thought for the moment. Anyway, I am not convinced yet that we are at the end of this road. There are indications that the government is going to respect that, but we have not seen that evidence.

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for my colleague.

After listening to his speech, I would like to hear him talk about fairness. First, I would like to hear what he has to say about fairness for fishers in Quebec, those in the Magdalen Islands, the Gaspé, the North Shore and the Lower St. Lawrence. I would also like to hear what he has to say about fairness for first nations. How can we ensure that there is more fairness when it comes to granting access to fish?

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Mr. Speaker, the issue of why it should retain so much control was actually raised by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, because it claimed it had a lot of influence on exactly the question that my hon. colleague from the Bloc raised. The reality is that the setting of fish quotas and access is a provincial jurisdiction and not done by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Mr. Speaker, I thank my hon. colleague from Chatham-Kent—Leamington for his interest in the file and for showing how important the issue is on both sides of the border.

On May 10, the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development tabled a report in the House titled “Governance of the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission.” This report followed a report from the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans, FOPO, titled “Allocation of Resources to the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission”, which was tabled on November 29, 2023, a year ago.

In under six months, two standing committees of the House of Commons tabled reports on the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission. Canadians watching at home may be wondering what was happening at the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission that was so pressing that two standing committees prioritized resources and time to examine the governance and allocation of resources to the commission. The reason two standing committees studied the GLFC is that the Liberal government refused to correct a conflict of interest resulting from the machinery of government structure that still exists over the commission to this day.

It goes without saying that for the current government, conflict of interest is business as usual. This is especially true for the Prime Minister, who has repeatedly violated ethics rules and regulations, so it is not surprising that the Prime Minister himself came to be the problem when he refused to fix the conflict of interest involving the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission.

A briefing document seeking a decision from the Prime Minister to fix DFO's conflict of interest with the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission through a machinery of government change was sent to the Prime Minister for a decision on April 12, 2022. Nearly two and a half years elapsed before it was finally announced, on September 10, that the PM had finally issued an order for the realignment of the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission, from under DFO to Global Affairs Canada.

At that time, the government claimed that the Prime Minister's order for which we waited two and a half years would finally resolve the conflict of interest. It turns out that it was all smoke and mirrors; it was a deceptive farce. The Prime Minister's order worsened the conflict of interest; it moved GLFC away from DFO to under Global Affairs, but the order also ensures that DFO continues to control the budget allocations earmarked for GLFC's invasive sea lamprey program.

DFO's years of denying the conflict of interest, and the Prime Minister's two and a half years of dithering and delaying a decision, were bad enough. Actions of the DFO and the Prime Minister jeopardized GLFC's fight against aquatic invasive species that threaten biodiversity, ecologies and economies on both sides of the Great Lakes. Actions of the DFO and the Prime Minister also strained and jeopardized what was once a stable partnership of the Canada-U.S. co-operation.

When the fisheries committee studied the matter, representatives of the U.S. side were very unhappy with the Canadian government. Now that details of the Prime Minister's order announced September 10 are coming to light, I understand that our American partners have even been pushed to a whole new level of frustration with Canada.

The September 10 announcement put the commission's essential work and the Canada-U.S. bilateral co-operation back on the rails, seemingly. However, details emerged recently that have again derailed the restoration, stability and co-operation, which is why two standing committees tabled reports in the House of Commons, one in 2023 and the other in 2024.

We as committee members saw the fire burning in the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission, and did our job by raising the alarm with the Government of Canada. Members of both committees came together and worked across partisan lines, because we saw that what was at stake in the fiasco is perpetuated by the Prime Minister. Conservation of the Great Lakes is at stake. Biodiversity is at stake. The Canada-U.S. relationship is at stake.

I would be remiss if I did not inform the House that the co-chair of the U.S. Great Lakes task force is none other than the United States Senator for Ohio J.D. Vance. Senator Vance is slated to be sworn in as the vice-president of the United States next month, on January 20, 2025.

The Prime Minister, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans and the Minister of Foreign Affairs could have solved the problem years ago. They could have prevented yet another irritant in the Canada-U.S. relationship by simply living up to Canada's commitments in the 1954 convention on Great Lakes fisheries. Instead, the Prime Minister, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans and the Minister of Foreign Affairs have chosen to ignore the problem, and now the Prime Minister has made it worse; he has kicked the hornet's nest in the backyard of the incoming vice-president of the United States.

The Prime Minister has failed the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission, failed our U.S. partners, failed conservation and failed biodiversity, and he has failed Canadians. Who is going to pay for the Prime Minister's failures? It is going to be the same people who have been forced to pay for every other failure he has inflicted on us: Canadians, who will once again pay the price for the failures of the Prime Minister.

I sincerely hope that my colleagues from the NDP are paying attention. One member from the NDP sat on the committee as we studied the issue, and I know that there are NDP caucus members who understand the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission issue. They support its being resolved, because they see what is at stake. However, we need our colleagues in the NDP to convince their leader to recognize the damage the Prime Minister is inflicting on Canadians every day. We need our colleagues in the NDP to persuade their leader to stop propping up the Prime Minister, who is hurting Canadians.

We have all heard statements made by the incoming U.S. president, and we all understand what is at stake. However, the Prime Minister insists on poking the Americans in the eye for no reason other than he is incompetent and holds onto his selfish ego, above the people who pay for his follies and failures: the people of Canada. We need to restore common sense to Canada's affairs, including foreign affairs, and the Liberal government has shown that it is not up to the job.

Therefore let us let Canadians finally toss the Prime Minister out on his ear by voting in a common-sense Conservative government that will live up to Canada's commitments in the convention on the Great Lakes fisheries.

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:40 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I am looking forward to being able to address this particular concurrence motion. Having said that, I am very disappointed, as I have pointed out, that the Conservative Party has made the decision to spend literally millions of Canadian tax dollars all in the name of a filibuster to prevent Canadians from being able to receive legislation, whether government legislation or private members' legislation, and to see a full economic statement, among many other things. It is all because of a self-serving leader who sees his job as trying to demonstrate that the Parliament of Canada is dysfunctional. The only thing that is dysfunctional is the Conservative Party of Canada.

My question is: Why is the member agreeing to participate in the role that the leader of the Conservative Party has put upon himself and to continue the endless filibuster?

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Mr. Speaker, the quick answer is this: Just produce the documents. The more extensive answer is that it is not this side of the House that is in disarray; it is the government. We see it. It is happening day after day. The stories are breaking about how the Prime Minister is going to put his so-called finance minister under the bus, and then run her over and bring in an outsider to run the country's finances because the Liberals have not got anyone capable within their own caucus to do it.

I think it is more than the country's finances that are at stake here; it is also the country's foreign relationships. The Great Lakes Fisheries Commission issue is but one example of issues that we will need to solve.

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:40 p.m.

Bloc

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Speaker, earlier, when I asked a question about fairness concerning access to fish, I was told that such matters fall under provincial jurisdiction. Obviously, we know that. However, I would like to hear the member's thoughts on that in light of the answer that I got from his colleague.

Do the Conservatives think that fish care about areas of jurisdiction?

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Mr. Speaker, the interpretation was coming through very quietly, so I was not absolutely certain of what the member said.

We as Conservatives, and, I think, the Bloc member on the committee, agree that it is a problem that needs to be solved. It got hung up in the Prime Minister's Office. What came through looking like a solution has only made it worse. It is time to rid the House of the Liberal government and get things done properly.

Foreign Affairs and International DevelopmentCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Kingston, ON

Mr. Speaker, the hon. parliamentary secretary offered his opinion as to what the only problem in the House is. I want to ask my hon. colleague whether he would agree with me that the problem in the House is that the Prime Minister has emasculated the entire caucus and does not allow anybody to speak except for the one member and the member for Kingston and the Islands, who take up all the time despite having, as any human being would, a limited amount of knowledge.

The situation has resulted, effectively, in the people who know the least saying the most in the House. That is a profound dysfunction within the House currently.