House of Commons Hansard #385 of the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was indigenous.

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Access to Parliamentary Precinct Members debate a question of privilege regarding a protest at a parliamentary building. Conservatives allege NDP MPs were involved in obstructing access. NDP members deny organizing the protest, describing it as a peaceful sit-in by Jewish Canadians protesting genocide in Gaza, and criticize the Conservative characterization as offensive and misleading, calling the privilege question frivolous. 3100 words, 25 minutes in 2 segments: 1 2.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs Members debate a Conservative motion on the government's failure to provide documents about Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC). Conservatives allege cronyism and corruption in SDTC funding. Liberals defend their record and criticize Conservative policies. The NDP criticizes both parties for the impasse, stating it prevents debate on issues like the cost of living. 6900 words, 45 minutes.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New Homes Members debate the housing crisis and a Conservative motion to eliminate the federal sales tax (GST) on new homes sold under $1 million. Conservatives argue this increases affordability; Liberals defend programs like the housing accelerator fund, criticizing the Conservative plan. Bloc members raise provincial jurisdiction concerns, while NDP members advocate for non-market housing and structural change. 14100 words, 2 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize the government for doubling the national debt, exceeding the $40-billion deficit guardrail, and increasing taxes like the carbon tax. They demand an end to inflationary spending and taxes. They repeatedly question what the Liberals promised the NDP for their continued support and call for a carbon tax election. They also raise concerns about violent crime and bail reform.
The Liberals highlight their economic record and upcoming Fall Economic Statement. They emphasize measures to support Canadians, including a GST holiday, Canada Child Benefit, dental care, and affordable housing. They also point to investments in AI and border security, while criticizing the Conservatives for opposing these initiatives and muzzling MPs.
The Bloc questions the government's approach to secularism in Quebec and its impact on integration. They criticize CBSA fiascos like the CARM app, calling for an audit, and urge closing the 14-day loophole exploited by illegal border crossers.
The NDP criticize the government for excluding vulnerable groups like seniors from a $250 cheque. They raise concerns about the housing crisis, its impact on survivors, and favouring private investors over affordability, as well as the growing need for food banks.
The Greens call for restoring Canada Council for the Arts funding and ensuring communities get their fair share.

Oral Questions Members debate points of order concerning House decorum, disruptive behaviour, and the Speaker's rulings on the relevance of Question Period questions, with multiple parties raising concerns. 1300 words, 10 minutes.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs Members debate housing affordability, focusing on the third report of the Indigenous and Northern Affairs Committee on Indigenous housing. Conservatives criticize Liberal policies as failing, proposing to build the homes by eliminating federal sales tax on new homes under $1 million and tying municipal funding to housing targets. Liberals defend their investments, including the Housing Accelerator Fund, and criticize the Conservative record. NDP members highlight the crisis's impact on Indigenous peoples, linking it to gender-based violence and the Indian Act, advocating for Indigenous-led solutions. Bloc Québécois supports initiatives like Yänonhchia' and calls for federal funding transfer to provinces. 21500 words, 3 hours.

Adjournment Debate - Housing Mike Morrice argues for an HST exemption for non-profit home builders like Habitat for Humanity. Peter Fragiskatos cites low-interest loans and grants as alternative supports, and defends removing GST on apartment construction to increase housing supply. Morrice questions why the government "forgot" about non-profits when it removed GST from for-profit builders. 1400 words, 10 minutes.

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Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:05 p.m.

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Mr. Speaker, I am going to give an example, just because I do not have a lot of time.

South Indian Lake, prior to Manitoba Hydro's coming in, had 70% employment in the whitefish industry, but because of the damage that was done as a result of Manitoba Hydro, its fishing industry was destroyed. Now there is 10% employment, mostly in administrative positions, in South Indian Lake. That has rippling effects; it forces people to leave their community to search for work and for housing.

Even for folks who are looking to survive and thrive, to enjoy and live a traditional way of life, because of what has happened through resource extraction, like in Beaver Lake Cree Nation, the very land and waters are too polluted and food sources are impacted. The people who very often go to urban centres, trying to find a better life, get an education, get a home and a better life for their kids, face non-stop racism and discrimination. That is the reality.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:05 p.m.

An hon. member

Oh, oh!

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:05 p.m.

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Mr. Speaker, I heard a Conservative come in here and ask whether he had missed much. I wish he had taken the time to listen. That is what I am talking about when I talk about humanity, because there is a whole lot of stinking privilege around here. Maybe if the member took a moment to listen, he would be a little more kind, a little more gentle, a little bit more compassionate and a little more caring, but he does not want to listen.

That is how people end up on the streets. It is one example of a broader systemic issue of systemic racism.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Mr. Speaker, I had the honour to serve on the human resources committee with the member, and she has given a very eloquent speech. I think it is important for all of us to take note of her focus on people and some of the tragic situations that can happen in a heartbeat. We all have constituents who are in precarious situations, so I applaud the member on her tone tonight.

I have a quick question. Since the government made changes and divided one bureaucracy for indigenous-Crown affairs and services into two separate organizations, just from the member's opinion, has there been an improvement? If there has been, where? If there has not been, where as well?

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

December 9th, 2024 / 6:05 p.m.

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Mr. Speaker, I will tell members when things stopped improving; it was when we put in place the Indian Act. It was bad from the start and it is still bad, because that is what we call legislated racism: the Indian Act. The fact is that even I, as a woman under the Indian Act right now, do not have the same rights as other women, never mind as men. As well, we still have not amended the Indian Act, and we talk about amending it incrementally.

It impacts the safety of women. In fact, it was only less than 20 years ago that the Divorce Act was amended so women who were getting divorced on reserve had property rights. I am divorced, happily. However, if I had been living on a reserve at the time I divorced, I would have zero property rights. That is called legislated racism, which has been perpetuated in the House.

We can call it Indigenous Services Canada or a Crown-indigenous relationship. We can call it Kermit the Frog. We need to get rid of the Indian Act and replace it with human rights in this country.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:05 p.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Mr. Speaker, I would first like to thank the member for Winnipeg Centre for her remarks and for sharing her experiences every time she rises to speak in the House. I think we should all pay attention to the hon. member's remarks and her lived experience. We all have our lived experience in life, some different from others, but it is always important to be respectful to individuals

I will be splitting my time with my hon. colleague and friend, the member for London North Centre, from the beautiful city of London, Ontario, which I have had the pleasure to visit and where we had one of our caucuses two years ago.

Tonight, we are speaking about the report, “The Effects of the Housing Shortage on Indigenous Peoples in Canada”. Obviously, we know how important housing is and having a roof over one's head here in this country that we live in. Frankly, all over the world, we are grappling with housing issues, but more so for indigenous communities here at home. We need to make sure that we are doing everything we can to assist all folks here in Canada and to build this nation-to-nation relationship.

We wish to thank the Auditor General for her work and welcome the important recommendations in the report. Of course, as a government, we accept and will implement every recommendation that has been made by the Auditor General. As we all know, decades of underinvestment, discrimination and racism has led to a tremendous lack of safe, affordable housing and housing supports for indigenous peoples. We, as a government, have been taking action and will continue to take action to support indigenous peoples no matter where they live.

Since 2016, we have increased funding for on-reserve housing by 1,100%. We supported the construction, renovation and retrofit of over 34,000 homes in first nations communities. We are also working with first nations partners to co-develop a 10-year housing infrastructure strategy. If my memory serves me correctly, I think it was in one of the last two budgets that we committed, I believe, $4 billion to indigenous housing and the northern strategy on housing, which is very important.

All levels of government have a role to play to solve this crisis and create tangible, lasting, indigenous-led solutions to address these housing gaps. It is so important that we do so. One of the things that I think differentiates parties and their philosophical views in terms of how we approach and collaborate with different levels of government is that, on our side of the House, we wish to work and will continue to work with municipalities. In the area I live in, there is the City of Vaughan, the Region of York, the Province of Ontario and the federal government. We will continue to respect the jurisdictions within that space.

As members know, cities in Canada, under the Constitution, are called “creatures of the province”. We can work directly with them at the federal level, but we should always respect them and collaborate, as we have with the housing accelerator fund. In the city of the Vaughan, for example, we made an investment of $59 million in the housing accelerator fund. One of the tranches of that housing accelerator fund in the city of Vaughan has been put to use in an infrastructure investment that will allow the acceleration, I believe, of 3,300 homes in the city of Vaughan to be built quicker and on schedule.

As I am speaking about the city I live in, and as one of the members of Parliament there, I respect greatly all of the City of Vaughan's employees, from the planning department to bylaw, to parks, to animal control. Everyone who works at the City of Vaughan, all of the municipal employees there, do a fantastic job. In no way are council members or the planning department gatekeepers. They work hard. They issue permits, and it is up to the builders to build the houses afterwards. However, they issue their permits, and that is something I am very proud of. I want to give a shout-out to them, because not all political leaders respect our municipal politicians, at whatever level of government they may be at, and that is a shame.

Again, with respect to the City of Vaughan council, mayor and all the employees of the City of Vaughan, I have their backs. I know the hard work they do. I wish to say thank you and I hope the other MPs who represent the City of Vaughan would admonish the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada for taking direct shots at our mayors, at the local councillors and at the folks who work in the planning departments with urban planning degrees.

In both indigenous and non-indigenous communities in this beautiful country, before people can build a house, they need to have sewer, they need to have pipes and they need to have the infrastructure put in place. That requires planning. It does not just happen overnight. It requires collaboration.

We have been there for cities across this country. When it comes to continuing to invest in indigenous peoples, we will take no lessons, absolutely none, from the Conservative Party of Canada and its leader, who we know in the past has made disparaging remarks. That is on the record and a fact. When the Leader of the Opposition was responsible for housing, his $300-million boondoggle program only managed to get 99 homes built in first nations communities. During marathon votes, Conservatives voted against funding for housing projects for first nations, Inuit and Métis.

We know one of the Conservatives' promises is to reduce the GST on new builds. This is approximately $4.5 billion to $5 billion of a promise of expenditure. They promised to increase pensions for seniors from 65 to 74. That is another $4-billion promise. As such, on both sides, there would be a $9-billion spend. Whether it is reducing taxes on one or increasing spending on the other, there is a $9-billion promise that has not been accounted for.

In order to do that, we would have to eliminate a couple of different programs, like the national early learning and child care program or the Canadian dental care plan, which now has three million Canadians covered, including nearly 25,000 in the riding I represent. We cannot cut CBSA officers again, like the Conservatives did in the prior government, and then say our borders are secure having made these devastating cuts, which we have had to rebuild. The Conservative plan is to make cuts and these cuts would have real-life impacts on indigenous communities, and we cannot go back to the years of shortchanging indigenous communities.

We will continue as a government to support projects that support first nations' leading the path forward. In my last two minutes, I will give a few examples of indigenous-led housing projects. The Daylu Dena Council constructed a new six-plex for the elderly and people with reduced mobility to continue living in their home community. Council members designed the building with the community's northern climate in mind and used green standards to ensure energy efficiency.

The Mistawasis Nêhiyawak in Saskatchewan, to reduce overcrowding, constructed three new duplexes in the community and renovated 10 existing homes to increase their lifespan and address health and safety concerns caused by overcrowding.

The Tobique First Nation in New Brunswick and the Government of Canada have worked to strengthen the governance structure of Tobique's housing program to help develop a healthier and sustainable indigenous community. The program included the construction of a triplex housing unit, additions to four units and a capacity development project.

On shelter supports, since 2021 we have provided ongoing support for 38 emergency shelters and 50 transition homes for first nations, Inuit, Métis and 2SLGBTQQIA+ people in urban, rural and northern communities.

In my last minute, because I know in a few days we will break for the Christmas holidays, I want to wish all residents a merry Christmas and all members of the House, independent of which side of the aisle and which party they represent, a merry Christmas and to all their families all the best, a safe and peaceful holiday season, and all the best for the New Year. I say that sincerely.

I would like to tell my daughters that I love them very much, and I will see them later this week. To my wife, I thank her for always supporting me in this endeavour, which I know is taxing on all of our families.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:20 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

I want to thank the hon. member for those good wishes.

With questions and comments, the hon. member for Hamilton Centre has the floor.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:20 p.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, we have been talking about housing in general today, but, specifically, there was an emphasis on for indigenous, by indigenous, in this report. Of course, we talked a lot about the urban indigenous experience.

We know that there is a disproportionate number of first nations, Métis and Inuit who have to rent. In fact, in 2021, the Liberal campaign promised to support people who rent their homes. Instead of doing that, the Liberals have allowed housing investors, such as real estate income trusts, to completely capture the market. There has been corporate capture of the housing market, and, I would argue, regulatory capture of the different levels of government.

What does the member have to say to those families, including first nations, Métis and Inuit, who are being renovicted from their homes every single day so that landlords and real estate income trusts can make a profit on their investments?

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Mr. Speaker, I want to go back to something the hon. member for Winnipeg Centre said in her comments, which was, in life, it does not cost anything to be kind. I just want to thank her for saying that because I, too, go by that adage. It does not cost anything to be kind to another person.

To the member for Hamilton Centre, the financialization of housing, whether it is here in Canada or anywhere in the world, is absolutely and utterly wrong. Many of the folks who know me in this place know that I am a big believer in capitalism with guardrails, capitalism with proper governance structure.

When it comes to the financialization of housing, REITs do have a place to play in society, whether it is industrial REITs or commercial REITs and so forth. Landlords do have a role to play in society, of course. At the same time, we are talking about individuals, individuals who need a rooves over their heads and families trying to get ahead in life. If it is through algorithms or the financialization of the housing market, we need to take appropriate measures to stop that and to reverse it.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member talked about supporting capitalism with guardrails. I just really wish this member would support a government that would keep fiscal guardrails.

Moving more to a local level, the mayor, Steven Del Duca, former Liberal leader of Ontario, said that development charges are unfair on new homebuyers, something that I agree with. In fact, the City of Penticton, where I was a councillor, recently increased its development cost charges, something I disagree with. In the next order of business, it actually applied for the housing accelerator, which the government has put forward, on a promise that it would look to lower development cost charges. The hypocrisy that we see from some municipal leaders is huge.

Does the hon. member agree that development cost charges need to be reduced? Does he believe that his housing accelerator is causing some of the problems, where they are seeing some councils increase them, only to say that they are going to backtrack them later?

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have a lot of respect for the hon. member on the other side, and the hon. member knows that. I would say that, when it comes to development charges, the situation in Ontario, from my understanding, is significantly different from the situation in British Columbia.

The situation in Ontario is that the cities obviously have limited means of raising revenue. They need to put in infrastructure to build new subdivisions and so forth. Whether it is DCs on commercial buildings, which are, frankly, very high in York region, or DCs on residential, which are, again, high, we have differing opinions from different mayors. I know that the mayor of Vaughan, who I have known for many years and am quite good friends with, and who I have much respect for, has decided to go down one pathway in looking at their DCs.

The mayor in Markham has decided to go down a different path with the DCs. If we speak to other folks in Ontario municipalities, the former mayor from Huntsville, who is in the House and is an honourable gentleman, would also know that those DCs pay for the infrastructure.

We need to be frank. If we did not have the development charges in Ontario, it would fall on the property tax base, and we would have huge increases on property taxes. When the official opposition leader criticizes the municipalities or criticizes the HAF, what he is implicitly saying is that the Conservative Party of Canada—

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:25 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

We are out of time. I really need to say to the hon. members to try to keep the questions and comments as short as possible so that everyone can get to participate in this debate.

Resuming debate, the hon. Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Housing, Infrastructure and Communities.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:25 p.m.

London North Centre Ontario

Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Housing

Mr. Speaker, it is always an honour to rise in the House of Commons and speak about the issues of the day, especially ones pertaining to housing, which is arguably the most important issue facing the country at this moment.

Before I begin, in the Greek Orthodox faith, today is the day on which Saint Anne, or Agia Anna, is recognized and honoured. My mother is named after her, so today is her name day. We love her very much, and I have never had the chance to wish her a happy name day.

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[English]

This is from myself, my wife, Katy, and our daughter, Ava.

The Conservatives have raised housing today in two different ways. First, they raised it on the overall housing crisis facing the country. Second, they raised the matter of housing in indigenous communities and in urban areas.

I begin with the second addition. The Conservatives moved a concurrence motion on the report of the Standing Committee on Indigenous and Northern Affairs, and they are perfectly fine to do that; they have the right to do that. However, I take issue with their record and their sincerity on the matter, to be frank. I say that with all due respect. I see Conservative members regularly raising such matters but not looking back to the previous government. That is not an irrelevant point; nothing happened during those years.

When the current government took office in 2015, we put in place a number of measures, especially investments, to address the plight and uplift the position of indigenous peoples. There is much more work to do in this regard, of course, but we have seen that 34,000 units of housing in first nations communities have either been newly built or repaired. My hon colleague, the MP for Vaughan—Woodbridge, just explained this; he is still in the chamber. That is not nothing; that is an important result and one that, as I said, we need to continue to add to. There is much more work to do in this regard, but it is a very important starting point.

We can add to that, of course, the housing-enabling infrastructure. In budget 2024 alone, a few months back, we saw close to $1 billion put forward specifically for indigenous communities to ensure that vital connections, whether roads, bridges or water systems, are connected to housing. Sometimes I would like to remind my Conservative colleagues of this before they make claims that would have the effect of cancelling infrastructure programs, but I digress: It is vital to have infrastructure because we cannot have housing or communities without it. When the Conservatives raise these points on housing in indigenous communities, it is important to remind them that they would, in fact, cancel the very infrastructure needed to make those housing commitments and those communities possible.

What do we also see? We see an urban, rural and northern indigenous housing strategy, the first of its kind in Canadian history. The NDP is right to continue to raise this point; I know it is critical to them, and I think it is critical to every member of Parliament in the House who believes in this kind of a vision. It would allow the federal government to work with organizations based in different parts of the country in urban, rural and northern areas and put in place more housing for indigenous peoples. It is an ongoing commitment, one we take very seriously and one that, it has to be said, has not been lived up to. It will not be lived up to until indigenous people in every part of this country are housed. Until we have addressed that, the challenge remains.

I will also speak to the matter of the main motion that was introduced today by the Conservatives on housing in general. I am the first to admit that we do not have a housing challenge in front of us; we have a housing crisis. We have to call it what it is. However, I also need to emphasize that the Conservative record on this is dismal. It is a point about credibility. I am not insensitive to the point that the Conservatives have raised about the Harper years. That goes back. However, it speaks to credibility. It is relevant to raise this because, when the current opposition leader was housing minister during those years, we saw 800,000 units of housing lost and only six affordable housing units built. It is not really serious.

If the Conservatives had a record on housing to speak of that was credible or if they had a record on housing we could look to that had real results, then I would be much more sympathetic. I hope everyone will forgive me if I do not have much sympathy for the Conservative position on this because they did not care about it then, and I would say they do not care about it now. Why do they not care about it now? The motion talks about, among other things, homelessness, which is certainly a huge issue in our communities. It is an issue in my community of London and in communities across the country.

The Conservatives, by raising this, fail to recognize one other key point, which is that they have had the opportunity to raise this matter and present real options, real solutions, a real path forward to address homelessness, but they have never done it. Instead, the Conservative members of Parliament frequent encampments, for example, make videos in front of encampments and then post them on social media for political purposes. If they were serious about a vision on housing and homelessness, then they would certainly present a tangible idea.

Homelessness exists. It is present. We need solutions to get people housed, to get them out of tents and into homes. This government put $250 million forward in the most recent budget. We have asked interested provinces to match that, and almost all have; Ontario and Saskatchewan are still outliers. That funding will allow for local communities to, as I say, get people out of tents, get them sheltered and, ultimately, get them into housing. That should be the vision. The Conservatives have never put something forward like this at all. They are very quick to make the videos I just talked about, but do nothing serious when it comes to homelessness.

The other matter that is raised in the motion relates to rent. Rent prices are far too high because vacancy rates are too low. We cannot have vacancy rates at or around zero, as they are in many communities, and not expect to have a consequent rise in the cost of rent. A healthy vacancy rate, as most economists and other housing experts will say, is between 3% and 5%. The question is how we get there. There are many ways to get there, but we have to incent builders. Builders have to be a part of this.

This is where I part company with the NDP, in fact. Builders can be a partner in the response to the housing crisis. That is why we lifted GST on the construction costs of apartments for the middle class and lower-income Canadians. We see a record amount of building now when it comes to the issuing of permits for apartment construction. There are cranes across different communities. In my own community, there are cranes in the sky everywhere we go and in other communities. It is because of this incentive that has been provided to that sector in the context of high interest rates, high construction costs and high labour costs. We needed to do this.

Finally, broader systemic change is needed to incent more building in this country. Unless we have more building, there will still be high prices, whether it is for renters or for prospective homeowners. What has the government done? We have put forward the housing accelerator fund, which is a very important program. Why? It leads to the systemic changes that we all know are standing in the way of more affordable options being built. Zoning, for example, stands as the single biggest impediment in this country and others, in fact, to getting more homes built.

In exchange for municipalities making those commitments to allow for more building, zoning changes, in other words, the federal government is willing to partner with municipalities to have funding for housing, infrastructure, community centres and other basic needs, but they need to make the zoning changes. In fact, we have now partnered with close to 180 communities, large and small, to ensure that they are doing just that, making those vital changes, so that in neighbourhoods, for example, there are not only single-family homes, which are a great option if one can afford it, but duplexes, triplexes, fourplexes, mid-rise apartments, row houses, the example of the missing middle that housing economists have talked about. This is how these changes are made, and it is happening.

In communities across Canada, councils are putting in place these vital changes to zoning that are going to create the systemic change needed to allow for more housing affordability. However, what do we see? The Conservatives have opposed it every step of the way.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:35 p.m.

Milton Ontario

Liberal

Adam van Koeverden LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Environment and Climate Change and to the Minister of Sport and Physical Activity

Mr. Speaker, I would like to highlight that just on Friday, I was able to make an announcement in Acton in the riding of Halton Hills, which is very close to Milton, with the mayor, Ann Lawlor, and the regional chair, Gary Carr. The announcement was about a project that used three different federal programs: the enabling accessibility fund, some CMHC funding and a reaching home grant. It is more than $2 million in federal funding, adding up to about a $6-million project, which is going to contribute to that community in big ways with 12 fully supportive units, thanks to an organization called Support House.

I would like to highlight Paul Gregory, the executive director of Support House, who did a fantastic job, particularly on the land acknowledgement. He transitioned from the land acknowledgement directly into an acknowledgement that indigenous people are overly represented in encampments and that colonialism has had an impact on first nations, Métis and Inuit folks.

Could the member speak to the importance of using all of these great federal programs to create supportive housing in his riding?

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, first of all, let me commend the advocacy of the member. He is very modest. He does not talk about his own role in helping to secure funding for his community in Milton and in that region more generally.

What he points to is a very important idea, and that is that the federal government has a role to play in allowing housing to happen, which is another way of saying that the federal government has a vital role in ensuring that people's basic needs are met. When we talk about housing, we are ultimately talking about people's fundamental basic needs, their fundamental rights being respected and lived up to. How do we do that? We do not do it on our own. We do it through partnership. We do it through working with other levels of government and not-for-profit organizations, and we will continue to do that work.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:35 p.m.

Conservative

Marc Dalton Conservative Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Mr. Speaker, the Liberals are experts at making big announcements, but seeing results is another story. My riding of Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge had an announcement of a $1-billion battery plant. The Liberal-NDPs announced it, and now they are pulling back. It is the same story with the cricket bug plant, where it was announced that millions of dollars would be added to it, which has also been pulled back. Will the Liberals not recognize it is fine to have fanfare, but it is another thing to get the actual results?

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, first of all, I want to commend the member. I have shared this with him before, but I never tire of saying it. This is a Conservative member who supports carbon pricing. When he was a member of the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia, he supported that. I hope his example transfers over to other Conservative MPs.

However, he talks about the Liberal record on housing and says we are not doing anything. In fact, I would look to over 20 Conservative members of Parliament who are active in pushing for the housing accelerator fund in their communities, which is the fund I talked about in my speech. They want it in their community. The only thing standing in the way is the leader of the Conservatives who does not want Liberal programs to be accessed for political reasons. Conservatives are standing in the way of homes being built in this country.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:35 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Speaker, I could not agree with my friend more on the idea that the federal government should actually be taking care of people's needs. The reality is successive Liberal and Conservative governments have not done that. When the Paul Martin Liberal government ended the national housing program, it created misery right across the country. Liberals promised every election they would do something, and so did Conservatives. Neither party did until the NDP gave the Liberals a backbone and an ultimatum and said that they had to reinvest in housing. It was the same thing with dental care and pharmacare. It was the same thing with all of these important programs that help people meet their basic needs. My question is very simple: Why do Liberals never do it on their own? They only do it when the NDP forces them to.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:40 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I would love three hours to respond to that. I have great respect for my hon. colleague. We have worked together on the finance committee, but he knows very well the housing strategy of the Paul Martin government was not put in place because the NDP forced an election. I will not go too far on that. As for results on the key points he points to, when it comes to getting homes built, the national housing strategy is leading to the construction of 400,000 homes in this country, or to the repair. That is not nothing. We have much more to do, and we will.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:40 p.m.

Conservative

Jamil Jivani Conservative Durham, ON

Mr. Speaker, the Liberal government is decimating Canada's middle class. I would like to share the story of a resident in Durham region to help illustrate exactly how Liberal policies are hurting our communities.

I met a man who has experienced what one might call invisible homelessness. Many people know him but did not know that he did not have a place to live. He was living with his mother, and their incomes together allowed them to be able to afford rent. When his mother had to be put in a long-term care facility, his income alone was no longer able to keep a roof over his head. He wound up moving into his car and sleeping in the parking lot of the ONroute in Newcastle, Ontario, in Durham region.

When I met him, he explained to me that he had done everything society had asked him to do. He went to school, got a job, worked hard and paid his taxes, yet when the time came when his family faced a crisis and an emergency, Liberal policies were not there for him. Liberal policies have let him and his family down.

The problem in our country right now, or one problem of many, is that more and more Canadians are in precarious situations, where one bit of bad luck, one person getting sick, or one issue hitting a family, sideswiping people unexpectedly, can put them in a situation of great desperation. Housing is a key fundamental aspect of this, of course.

A recent survey from Habitat for Humanity showed that 82% of Canadians worry that the housing crisis is impacting our overall health and well-being, and 78% believe that the inability to own a home is contributing to the wealth gap in Canada. The numbers get even worse when we look at younger generations of Canadians, who have family members, friends and neighbours going through precarious situations. Then they see a government continuing to do photo op after photo op, advertising policies and programs that are supposedly able to fix the issues, but the government is instead entirely tone-deaf and unresponsive.

The numbers, again, speak for themselves. Let us look at what has been announced by the Liberal government and its buddies in the NDP. Let us look at Toronto, with $471 million announced for a housing photo op fund, and home building starts down 20%. In Vancouver, the NDP-Liberal photo op fund is $115 million, and the result is that home building starts are down 19%. In Kingston, the NDP-Liberal photo op fund is $27.6 million, but home building starts are down 67%. The NDP-Liberal photo op fund in Guelph is $21.4 million, with home building starts down 65%.

The government in this country has abdicated any responsibility for middle-class families and instead wants to tell people over and over again that it is doing this and that, and that it is trying to solve the problems. It is spending more tax dollars, yet the result is more people struggling, more people worried they may never afford a home, and more people raising children who believe that home ownership is now only for those who are the wealthiest, that it is now a luxury. This is opposed to a time, not very long ago, when home ownership was a defined part of the Canadian dream.

I am trying my best to channel the frustrations and concerns of many of my constituents across Durham region who believe, fundamentally, that they are not the priority of the Liberal government. More numbers come out that affirm that Canadians are pessimistic about the government's ability to solve any of the serious problems in our country, to look out for the best interests of middle-class families and to address the very real crisis of our country's housing shortage.

Indigenous and Northern AffairsCommittees of the HouseRoutine Proceedings

6:45 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

It is my duty to interrupt the proceedings on the motion at this time. Accordingly, the debate on the motion will be rescheduled for another sitting.

The House resumed consideration of the motion.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:45 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(16), it is my duty to put forthwith every question necessary to dispose of the business of supply.

The question is as follows.

May I dispense?

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:45 p.m.

Some hon. members

No.

Opposition Motion—Federal Sales Tax on New HomesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

6:45 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Chris d'Entremont

[Chair read text of motion to House]

If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.