House of Commons Hansard #54 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was billion.

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Food and Drugs Act Second reading of Bill C-224. The bill aims to restore the traditional definition of natural health products, reversing Bill C-47 changes that regulated them like therapeutic drugs. Conservatives argue this increased costs, as Health Canada already had sufficient powers for safety. Liberals express concern C-224 would make it harder to trust NHP safety, advocating more oversight. The Bloc highlights Health Canada's failure to enforce existing regulations before C-47's changes. 8200 words, 1 hour.

Budget Documents Distributed to Members Members debate a question of privilege regarding alleged incomplete budget documents distributed during the lock-up and in the House, with the Liberal MP stating the official tabled budget was complete and lock-up documents are a courtesy. 600 words.

Financial Statement of Minister of Finance Members debate the government's Budget 2025, with Liberals framing it as a "generational budget" investing in housing, infrastructure, and public safety. Conservatives criticize the "staggering $78-billion deficit" and rising national debt, arguing it fails to address affordability and relies on "creative accounting." The Bloc Québécois expresses disappointment over health care transfers and support for industries. Concerns are raised about the budget's impact on future generations and economic growth. 39100 words, 4 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize the Liberal government's reckless spending and ballooning deficit, citing warnings from the PBO and Fitch Ratings. They highlight the soaring cost of living, especially grocery prices and baby formula, attributing it to Liberal taxes like the carbon tax. They also condemn the government's failure to address the extortion crisis in Canada.
The Liberals defend Budget 2025 as a plan for generational investments to grow the economy. They highlight dropping inflation and rising wages, claiming Canada has the best fiscal position in the G7. They emphasize investments in infrastructure, affordable housing, national defence (including soldier pay raises), childcare, and a national school food program. They also address public safety and climate commitments.
The Bloc criticizes the government's failed trade strategy with the US and rising tariffs. They demand action for seniors and health transfers, and accuse Liberals of hiding the real deficit numbers and attempting to replace the Parliamentary Budget Officer.
The Greens question the budget's omission of Paris commitments and seek assurances on climate adaptation, nature strategy, and Indigenous reconciliation.
The NDP highlights the housing crisis affecting Quebec, demanding substantial investments in co-operative, social, and community housing.

Criminal Code First reading of Bill C-257. The bill amends the Criminal Code to create a new offence for the wilful promotion of terrorism or terrorist groups, aiming to close a legal gap while protecting Charter rights with specific defences. 200 words.

Parliamentary Budget Officer Conservative MP Kelly McCauley raises a question of privilege, stating the Parliamentary Budget Officer (PBO) has been denied access to information on budget measures, including the "comprehensive expenditure review." He argues this obstructs Parliament's ability to hold the government accountable and constitutes contempt, asking the Speaker to find a prima facie case. 2900 words, 20 minutes.

Adjournment Debates

Auto sector job losses Andrew Lawton criticizes the government's budget and its failure to protect auto sector jobs in his riding, blaming the government's economic mismanagement. Karim Bardeesy defends the budget's investments, highlighting a new gigafactory in St. Thomas, and accuses the opposition of lacking climate change action plans.
Tariffs on Canadian crops Jeremy Patzer raises concerns about China and India's tariffs on Canadian canola and pulse crops, calculating significant losses for farmers. Sean Casey cites government support through AgriStability and marketing programs. Patzer questions provincial agreement on AgriStability and demands tariff repeal. Casey emphasizes commitment to farmers and ongoing negotiations with China.
Government spending and deficits Mike Lake warns that persistent deficits under the Liberal government risk cuts to social programs. Ryan Turnbull defends the government's investment strategy, arguing it will grow the economy and provide revenue to reduce the deficit. Lake insists that this "investment" is just spending, setting Canada on a dangerous path.
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Falun GongPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

3:15 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Mr. Speaker, I am proud to present a petition today on behalf of over 260 Canadians who are petitioning the Government of Canada to raise the alarm bells on the continued activity of the Communist Party in China as they go after Falun Gong practitioners, including the grotesque and illegal organ harvesting and arbitrary detention of Falun Gong practitioners in China.

As we know, Falun Gong practitioners continue to be surveilled and harassed here in Canada, including the Shen Yun dance squad, which is in North America. Its members perform classical Chinese dance, a beautiful ballet. They have been targeted with bomb threats and intimidation by operatives of the People's Republic of China.

As we know, G7 leaders have denounced transnational repression and have denounced the ongoing activity of the Chinese regime in foreign interference.

The petitioners are calling on the Government of Canada to call on China to end the Falun Gong persecution and execution, as well as the illegal organ harvesting of Falun Gong practitioners in China, and to hold those people to account through increased sanctions and travel bans, so we can ensure that Falun Gong can practise safely in Canada and around the world.

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Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, if the government's responses to Questions Nos. 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 377, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 384, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389, 390, 391, 392, 393, 394 and 395 could be made orders for returns, these returns would be tabled in an electronic format.

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The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

Is that agreed?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

[For text of questions and responses, see Written Questions website]

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I ask that all remaining questions be allowed to stand.

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The Speaker Francis Scarpaleggia

Is that agreed?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

The House resumed consideration of the motion that this House approve in general the budgetary policy of the government.

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3:20 p.m.

Liberal

Arielle Kayabaga Liberal London West, ON

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to ask the hon. member for Halifax what she has been hearing. We just had a riding week, and she must have spent a lot of time with folks in her riding. They must have had multiple conversations about budget 2025 and the things that are really important for Halifax.

Could the member share with the House some of the great conversations she has been having with members in her community?

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3:20 p.m.

Liberal

Shannon Miedema Liberal Halifax, NS

Mr. Speaker, I am really excited about this budget, and people in my community are also very excited. It means great things for Halifax.

As I outlined in my speech, we are a port city. We are well positioned to expand our trade to Europe and elsewhere. We have an amazing offshore wind resource. We are going full tilt on improving the health care system. I am really excited about the build communities strong fund. At the same time that we are building these large nation-building projects, we also have money for the local level, for communities at home, on the ground, to help support across all types of considerations and all types of sectors.

I come from the environment and climate space. I have had some really great conversations about what is in the budget for that too, such as industrial carbon pricing, methane regulations, the youth climate corps and so much more.

I really hope that we can get this budget approved and get to work on building Canada strong.

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Speaker, to start, I will be sharing my time with my colleague, the member for Kitchener South—Hespeler.

I am pleased to rise, once again, to speak to the budget. It is nice to actually see the budget finally here after a 19-month delay. That is almost unprecedented, but of course we saw the Liberals refuse to actually table a budget one year during COVID, so I guess they are just keeping to their habits. Has the 19-month wait been worth it? The answer is clearly no.

First of all, I have to note just how crass and cynical the government is to actually name the budget after the Liberal campaign platform “Canada Strong”. I think the government wants to be non-partisan. It should maybe find its own slogan.

In my view, the government always manages to set low expectations, and it always manages to achieve them. On September 17, the Prime Minister, in the House, stated, “We are going to have a declining level of debt.” Those were his exact words.

What did the budget deliver? On the top line is a deficit of $78.3 billion for this year, which is $40 billion more than delivered last year. Public accounts just came out showing a deficit last year of $36.3 billion. What is remarkable is that it is actually lower than what was forecast under the Trudeau government. Under the current government, not so much. The famed banker is delivering worse results than the drama teacher. Let that sink in.

There is $322 billion of new debt on the short time horizon of this budget, out to 2030, with $160 billion more than projected in the fall economic statement under the previous government. This is the same government that the former finance minister quit due to the costly spending and the need, as she said, to keep the powder dry. She quit over a lower deficit and debt numbers to keep the powder dry, but this government came through and steamrolled over that with $168 billion on top.

We have to ask, how much worse does it have to be to end up with deficit numbers that are 200% worse than those of the famed Trudeau government? It was famous, of course, for its profligate spending patterns. That happened despite an increase in tax revenue of over 97% over the time span of the current government.

Tax revenues are doubling, yet somehow the government is still managing to spend every penny of that and almost a third of $1 trillion more. There will be $329 billion of interest on this Liberal debt over the next five years. That is almost a third of $1 trillion gone to interest. That is 10% more that we are going to spend on interest than on health care transfers to the province, despite record lineups and record wait-lists for care at hospitals. People cannot find a doctor, but under the government, we are spending 10% more on interest than we are on health care transfers. That is 100% more than we are actually spending on the child benefit.

The government is placing a higher priority on spending and on paying interest to Bay Street bankers than on providing money to families, 100% more. It is more than we are going to spend on new subs, the over-budget frigate program, which is about $80 billion over budget, and F-35s. We are still going to spend more on interest than all those needed items on defence.

To put it further into perspective, the GST is forecasted in 2029 to be $62.7 billion, which is from what is collected each time someone goes out to buy a bag of chips, as I like to do because I am addicted to chips, or go to a restaurant, buy beer or buy a new car. There will be $62.7 billion to be collected in GST, but the interest in 2029-30, at the end of this budget, is projected to be $76.1 billion. The GST would have to increase by 20% just to pay the interest, not to pay for any health care, border security, RCMP or defence. That is just to cover the interest on the Liberal debt. In 2029-30, that will mean that 13%, or almost $1 out of every $7, of what is collected by the government, as taxpayers will be paying not only the GST but also income tax and corporate tax, will be for just the interest.

I think about how, if we were running a business like that, before we even opened the doors, 13% of the income would just be wiped out before we would provide any services. That is the Liberal record, and that is what this budget is calling for.

What would Canadians get for all this spending? What would they get for $76 billion of interest payments? What would they get with a third of $1 trillion more in spending? They would get an average growth over the next five years of 1.26% GDP growth. It would be a third of $1 trillion in added debt just for 1.26% growth. The OECD predicts Canada will have the lowest per person growth for its economy from 2020 to 2030 and then from 2030 to 2060, so basically out to 2060.

I mention the 2020 to 2030 part as well because 2020 is about the time the current Prime Minister started advising the Liberal government as a financial adviser. It would be billions and billions of added debt sinking the next generation with interest payments and debt for 1.26% growth and the slowest growth of economy per capita in the OECD.

What else has all this spending gotten us? We have the highest consumer debt per person in the G7. It is 80% higher per person than in the U.S. There are two million Canadians every month at a food bank. That is a result of the Liberal government. With all this spending, it has achieved two million people a month at food banks. We have a rise in urban violent crime in 19 out of 20 of our largest cities, the most unaffordable housing-to-income index in the G7 and a bloated bureaucracy that failed to achieve 47% of its goals last year.

Hidden on the same day the budget came out were the departmental results, where the Treasury Board puts out what the government projected for its plans and goals and what it achieved. The government failed on 47% of its goals. There are tens of thousands more employees in the bureaucracy, and over $70 billion spent, and it failed on 47% of its goals.

We have youth unemployment of 14.1%, and I want to quote from the budget. This is from the Liberals' own budget: “The unemployment rate is projected to remain elevated over the forecast horizon”. The forecast horizon in the budget goes out five years. The government is saying that, despite all its rhetoric, unemployment is going to remain elevated for the next five years. We have record spending and record debt, and in return we get little growth, little help for unemployment and little help for housing.

What would help would be to approve a pipeline. It is a 400-page budget, and the word “pipeline” is mentioned once, hidden in a bit about carbon capture. The best way this country can improve revenues, improve wealth and improve our productivity is to approve a pipeline.

The omnibus budget has about 75 legislative items it needs to change. There is nothing in there about repealing Bill C-48, the Canadian tanker ban off the B.C. coast. We allow American tankers, but not Alberta oil. There is no repeal of Bill C-69. There is no repeal of the production cap. There is no growth. Instead, we get another bureaucracy for major projects.

To finish, I just want to quote from Trevor Tombe, the famous economist. He says that this budget has a big gap between rhetoric and reality. He says, “Canada would benefit from a credible and sustainable fiscal strategy. Unfortunately, this platform takes us further from that goal.”

This budget would be bad for Canada, and that is why I will not be supporting it.

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3:30 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Madam Speaker, we will soon be called upon to vote on a budget in which the government has decided to redefine what constitutes an investment. It turns out that the government's definition of investment does not exist anywhere else. The budget says so itself. It does not exist in Singapore and it does not exist in the United Kingdom.

According to the Parliamentary Budget Officer, we are not talking about $45 billion in investments, but rather $2.2 billion. He has indicated that that definition is likely wrong and has suggested that a committee of experts should look into the matter.

I would like to know what role truth should play when a budget is tabled. What role should transparency play? Is the government not engaging in a campaign of misinformation directed at Canadians and Quebeckers?

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Madam Speaker, my friend brings up a very valid point. This is what the economist Trevor Tombe was referring to, the difference between reality and truth. There is a large gap between the truth of what the budget is and the rhetoric the Liberals are presenting.

The budget constantly talks about how they are changing how they record their expenses to do so as England does. However, when we actually look at it, the United Kingdom has a very narrow definition of capital. The government has expanded the definition of capital so much that $90 billion of its supposed capital is actually operating. It is purely an attempt to hide from Canadians the true facts that the government can only spend and spend to produce substandard results, results that have led to two million Canadians a month going to the food bank, to the highest housing prices and to the highest deficit we have seen outside the COVID period.

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3:30 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, if we contrast many things we hear from the Conservatives, we have a choice; Canadians have a choice. I hope it will happen sometime in the next couple of years.

Having said this, on the one hand, we have a Prime Minister and a Liberal caucus that see the value of investing in Canadians and our infrastructure, and we have seen tangible, positive results. On the other, the Conservatives want to see nothing but cuts and a government that stands by and does nothing to support the economy.

I wonder if the member would agree that there are times when we need to build our nation and that this is one of those times.

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Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Madam Speaker, two million Canadians every single month is not a positive, tangible result. Record unemployment for youth is not a positive, tangible result. We have not seen any positive, tangible results from the government for 10 years, and we do not see them in the budget either. What we see is a generational debt being passed on to our kids and our grandkids. The government's own growth projection is 1.26%. The OECD said that we are going to have the worst growth going out to 2060. Failure is not a tangible, positive result.

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Bloc

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Madam Speaker, the member for Winnipeg North and his colleagues from the governing party go around telling everyone that it is important to invest in infrastructure. They talk about hospital infrastructure.

However, the budget lays out $5 billion over three years to build hospitals in all the provinces. That comes out to about $1.7 billion a year. For Quebec, this means $300 million a year over three years. The Maisonneuve-Rosemont hospital alone is likely to cost between $5 billion and $6 billion.

Although it is saying that it is investing in hospital infrastructure, is the government not simply telling Quebeckers that it does not care about patients, those who are sick or the health care system itself, and that, ultimately, their concerns come far behind the oil interests of the western provinces?

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3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Madam Speaker, I think the government's budget is saying exactly what my colleague is commenting on. It is placing a priority on paying out interest to Bay Street bankers and not helping main street Canadians. The $76 billion a year in interest payments could provide a new hospital every single year in the top 100 largest cities in the country. The government's focus is completely wrong. It should be on Canadians and health care and less on paying off bankers.

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Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Madam Speaker, this is a real doozy of a budget. It is such a doozy that perhaps this will be my last speech in this Parliament, so let us make it count.

I want to start with some confessions. I believe we need to spend less and invest more. I believe we need to build Canada strong. I believe we need to make generational investments in Canada's future. Unfortunately, this budget does none of those things. Each of those slogans is taken straight from the Prime Minister's mouth or the Liberal Party platform.

We are six months in. The budget is six months late. Even with that homework extension, the budget fails to produce on each one of the Liberals' own platform promises, and the House must give their work a failing grade.

Let us walk through them.

The central promise was to spend less and invest more. In an April 19 Instagram video, the Prime Minister explained what he meant by that. He likened it to purchasing a house: The purchase price is a capital investment, and heat and electrical are operating expenses.

Let us take the first half of his promise on his own terms. Is he spending less on operating expenses? No. By the Liberals' own extremely loose definition of investment, the operating expenses are going up under budget 2025.

I would ask those following at home to please turn with me to Table A1.5 on page 233 of the budget.

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3:35 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

I ask the hon. member to please be very careful when changing pages as it is a noise that disturbs the interpreters when close to the microphone.

I thank the member.

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Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

The day-to-day operating balance was minus $4.1 billion under the Liberals' definition for 2024, and it will be $33 billion under their definition for 2025. Is this what spending less on operating expenses looks like to the Prime Minister, increasing the operating deficit by 700%? Have the Liberals gone mad? Do their promises mean nothing?

How are we supposed to have a democracy when someone can run an election on balancing the operating budget and then increase the operating deficit by 700% in their first year? This is a terrible trick on voters. If I was not already signed up for blue team and a well-dressed Goldman Sachs banker ran for prime minister with red team promising to spend less and invest more, I might have believed him. I might have voted for him. That is how much I agree that we should spend less and invest more. Millions of thoughtful and prudent Canadians did believe him and did vote for him. Today the rug has been pulled out from under them. The budget is a sham; the Liberals are spending more.

Before they start shouting about tariffs across the way, those at home can please turn to page 66 of the budget document, Table 1, in which the government estimates that $7 billion of the deficit is due to tariffs, or what they call “Economic and fiscal developments since FES 2024”. Therefore, the operating deficit increases by $33 billion, but only $7 billion of that is in any way a consequence of tariffs. The rest is self-inflicted.

Let us talk about the second half of the Liberals' promise, which is to invest more. The issues are twofold: how much investment there is and whether the investments are good or bad. I thank God for the Parliamentary Budget Officer. Table 1 of the PBO report on the budget shows an increase in capital investment based on the PBO definition of $7 billion for 2025. The deficit has doubled from $40 billion to $80 billion, which is a $40-billion increase, and only a fraction of this, or $7 billion, is new investment under this definition. Obviously, this is not generational or transformative, just in terms of the size of the investments, but are they good or are they bad investments?

I am a physician, and I do my own investing for my retirement. How to define an investment as good or bad is very easy. A good investment provides a good rate of return, and a bad investment provides a negative rate of return. To use the Prime Minister's Instagram example, if someone buys a $1-million house, that is indeed an investment. If that house loses 20% of its value, that person is $200,000 poorer, and that is a very bad investment.

Every single year the Liberals have been in power, they have told us that they are taking our money through taxes to invest it for us, because we do not know how to invest as well as they do. They did it in 2015. Their platform promised “historic new investments in infrastructure”. In 2019, their platform promised, “We will run modest deficits for three years so that we can invest in growth for the middle class”. Their 2021 platform promised to “Immediately invest $6 billion...to support the elimination of health system waitlists.”

What sorts of returns did we get on this investment? Did any of that happen? I do not see the historic infrastructure they built from 2015. I do not see that the middle class has experienced growth. In fact, I see that it has been decimated by the Liberals' inflationary deficits. Lastly, as a practising physician, I can promise we are far from eliminating health system wait-lists as they promised; wait-lists are worse now than they have ever been.

Furthermore, the national debt has gone from $600 billion to $1.2 trillion over the last 10 years. None of this quite seems as though the Liberals' investments are paying off. It rather seems as though Canadians know how to invest, but the government keeps taking their money and then investing it on white elephant programs that provide no rate of return.

What is the top-line conclusion of this? It is that we are now spending $60 billion on debt financing. This is more than we spend on health care transfers or on national security. It does not seem to me that in the aggregate or in any specific case, when the Liberals say they are going to take people's money to invest it on their behalf, they do any sort of a great job at it ever. It never seems as though their investments provide anything like an acceptable rate of return. In fact, Bernie Madoff gave his clients a better rate of return.

However, let us take a specific case and drill deeper: housing investment. I find myself asking how many members in the House have ever, with their own hands, built a house from start to finish.

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An hon. member

I have.

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Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Madam Speaker, there are not many, and this does not surprise me. In general, politicians do not know how to build anything, because they do not build things. Builders build things, and home builders build houses. In Canada, home builders have always built homes. The reason they are not building homes now is that they are not allowed to.

My friend Cal is a small-time renovator who lives in Kitchener. He bought a dilapidated house in London, Ontario, and wants to renovate it into a triplex so that three families can move in. He has waited months and months for the city to approve it.

I have an Albanian friend, Ben, who is a mid-sized housing developer in Kitchener. He bought a plot of land and wants to build 36 townhomes. The city fought him and said he can only build 16. He had to get lawyers and fight in the Ontario Land Tribunal for two years to finally be allowed to build homes during a housing crisis.

My friend Mike owns a gym in Kitchener. He moved locations, and to get his operations running up at capacity, he needed to put in a new washroom for a change room. It took months and months to get that permit for a toilet.

In each case, it is terribly demoralizing and financially injurious to have bureaucrats tell people what they can and cannot do with their own property when they are trying to build houses and provide services for our communities. In every case, and this is the issue from coast to coast to coast, bureaucrats stand in the way and say it takes nine months to approve a toilet.

Rather than standing up against this violation of property rights and letting builders build, the federal government is going to spend $15 billion for a new federal bureaucracy to add on to the municipal bureaucracies. This will not work; it is a bad investment. Even if people thought the Liberals had perhaps turned over a new leaf after 10 years of bad investment, I am sorry to disabuse them of this notion. Pouring money into bureaucracy will not fix the housing crisis; it is the cause of the housing crisis. We need to build Canada strong, but the budget builds Canadian bureaucracy strong.

I want to make a last point about the Liberals' last promise: generational investment. The budget is not providing generational investment; it is providing generational debt. They are increasing spending by a lot and investment by a little. The sum total is $2,000 of new debt for every man, woman and child in our nation just this year.

I have a three-year-old daughter and a one-year-old son. How could I kiss them goodbye this morning and tell them that I am going to Ottawa to vote for a budget that puts them in thousands of dollars of debt before they even hit kindergarten? I honestly ask whether the Liberal MPs have small children. Have they told them that they are raiding their college fund, foreclosing on their future, to place bets on government bureaucracies that never pay off? I cannot imagine they have. In fact, I suspect that they were rather taken in by the Prime Minister's promises as well. I suspect that they did want to build Canada strong, spend less money and invest more and that many of them are feeling terribly disappointed now. To them, I extend my warmest personal invitation to come sit next to me on this side of the House. I ask them to please stand up now if they would like to take the offer.

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Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, it is interesting that the member wants to bring up housing. I did build a house, right from the basement all the way to the top, including the roof shingles. I would be happy to provide the address.

At the end of the day, let us take a look at the leader of the Conservative Party. He was the minister responsible for housing. Members will never guess how many homes he built when he was responsible for non-profit housing. We can count them using only two hands, minus four fingers. At the end of the day, the Conservatives were an absolute, total disaster on housing.

Having said that, I think misinformation is a serious issue. The Conservatives talk about the deficit. Let us talk about Japan, France, the UK or the United States. All of these countries' deficit-to-GDP ratios are much higher than Canada's.

I have news for the member: Canada is not burning. Canada is the best country in the world to call home. If the Conservatives would get off their pot and stop condemning Canada and saying how bad it is, they could contribute to building Canada strong, which he says he believes in. I believe in Canada strong.

Will he support a budget that believes in Canada strong?

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3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Madam Speaker, as for the second point, it is easy to tell mistruths with statistics. Canada's federal debt is low compared to pure countries as a percentage of GDP, but in terms of Canada's total public debt, because the federal government off-loads so many services to the provinces, such as education, housing in some important respects and health care, the provinces have taken on terrible debts. The federal government has to backstop that debt, which is what puts us at risk of having a difficult time financing our debt. It is important to choose the correct statistics when we are talking about a specific problem.

As for my leader's record as a housing minister, this is a very tired attack. I cannot believe the member did not hear the answer in the speech I gave. Builders build homes; housing ministers do not build homes. That is why we have had housing minister after housing minister from the Liberal side promise to solve the housing crisis.