Mr. Speaker, this is what we have been hearing from Liberal members of Parliament. They are saying our debt-to-GDP ratio is not as bad as the ratios in other countries. If we add in the subnational debt, it is. It does not look nearly as good as they like to say it is.
I am going to go back to my points about productivity. Debt is not necessarily bad. It is not necessarily bad for a business if it is used to grow, but what if it cannot service the debt? At what expense is the debt being serviced? Is it at the expense of health care? That is a reality in this country. It is a problem that needs to be tackled.