Madam Chair, it is really about innovation and it is about our sawmills moving ahead. For example, one mill is building modular homes and is trying to work with laminate products. It is investing its own money in it, but when it sees there are 45% tariffs down south and how difficult it is, it has a hard time surviving. How does it continue to invest money when it is losing money?
I brought up the example of a business that is actually using a line of credit to make payroll; that is not sustainable. We need to go back to that predictability. We need to know where we are going with softwood lumber across Canada, and we are not there.