House of Commons Hansard #158 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was online.

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Alleged Premature Disclosure of Bill C-40—Speaker's Ruling Members consider the opposition’s allegation that Bill C-40 was disclosed to journalists before introduction; the Speaker finds insufficient evidence of a leak and rules there is no prima facie question of privilege. 1100 words.

Safe Social Media Act Second reading of Bill C-34. The bill would require social media platforms and AI chatbot services to reduce online harms, protect children through safer design and age-related safeguards, remove certain harmful content quickly, and disclose safety plans. It would establish a commission to oversee compliance and impose penalties. Members broadly support improving online safety but raise questions about privacy, free expression, enforcement, regulatory powers and consultation with provinces and Quebec. The House refers the bill to committee for study. 45600 words, 6 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Bill C-41—Proposal to Apply Standing Order 69.1 Kevin Lamoureux argues that Bill C-41 concerns only medical assistance in dying, not unrelated topics, and therefore is not an omnibus bill subject to separate votes under Standing Order 69.1. 400 words.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives accuse the government of staging a futile EU summit, while demanding action on trade barriers and a threatened carbon tariff. They blame deficit spending for inflation and rising costs, criticize failures in anti-money-laundering oversight and bail policy, and raise concerns about immigration security screening, support for Canadian industry, and transparency around the Prime Minister’s wife’s appointment.
The Liberals emphasize diversifying trade through stronger European ties, energy cooperation, and expanding non-U.S. exports. They defend affordability supports and social programs, promote crime prevention and Indigenous policing, and highlight investment in industry, infrastructure, and ocean conservation. They also point to housing construction, high-speed rail, and efforts to cut red tape.
The Bloc warn that ending federal carbon pricing risks European tariffs on Quebec metals, while weakened pesticide rules could threaten agri-food exports. They also defend Quebec’s authority over its international relations and criticize Ottawa for disregarding Quebec’s prerogatives.
The NDP condemn Bill C-39’s environmental and Indigenous impacts amid wildfire-smoke deaths, and criticize the government for rising living costs and interest-rate hikes.

National Strategy for Soil Health Act Second reading of Bill S-230. The bill would require a national strategy to protect, conserve and improve soil health, including measures for research, information-sharing, consultation and parliamentary reporting. Supporters say it can coordinate expertise and strengthen food security and farm resilience; critics raise concerns about federal jurisdiction and argue that cuts to agricultural research undermine the bill’s goals. 8700 words, 1 hour.

Adjournment Debates

Firearms confiscation compensation Alex Ruff cites shipping problems in the firearms compensation program and asks whether owners will still be paid if administrative failures cause them to miss the deadline. Jacques Ramsay says affected owners will be accommodated and receive fair compensation. Ruff disputes the government’s description of banned firearms and asks Ramsay to define “military-style assault rifle”; Ramsay says experts identify them and points to broader gun-control measures.
Rural health care access Helena Konanz says resignations by Penticton’s neurologists and recurring emergency-room closures leave seniors in her rural riding without local care. She urges the federal government to adopt a “blue seal” program to fast-track unaccredited doctors. Kevin Lamoureux says credential recognition and residency placements are provincial responsibilities, while citing federal health funding and seniors’ dental coverage.
Spaceport contract oversight Greg McLean accuses the government of wasting defence funds on a $200-million contract with Maritime Launch Services, alleging excessive lease payments, inadequate oversight and benefits to company insiders. Mike Kelloway defends the agreement as a way to build sovereign launch capacity, citing Canadian spending requirements, project milestones and support from local and provincial partners.
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12:05 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière—Hébertville—Pays-des-Bleuets, QC

Mr. Speaker, unfortunately, the federal government appears to have made no attempt thus far to engage in discussions with the provinces and Quebec. That is regrettable.

As we have seen recently, the federal government's decisions suggest that it is much more interested in working with some of the other provinces than with Quebec. It wants to have a lot to do with to Alberta, but, as evidenced by its handling of the Canada-Europe summit, it wants less to do with Quebec. Time will tell if I am right or wrong, but that is my impression based on what has taken place over the past few days.

After all, it takes two to tango, but if one partner is silenced, that makes things difficult.

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October 29th, 2026 / 12:05 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate my colleague's contribution to this debate. He and I are committed sovereignists. We will always feel constrained within Canada. We believe that only independence will allow Quebeckers to express themselves fully and to develop public policies that truly reflect their values and priorities.

Now, we can see that, before drafting Bill C‑34, the government completely ignored the work that had already been done in Quebec, particularly by the special committee tasked with studying the impact of screens and social media on youth health and development, as well as the possible solutions already being discussed within Quebec in an area of exclusive provincial jurisdiction, namely youth protection and social policy.

Does my colleague not feel a little sorry for our federalist friends today, as they try to convince us that there will always be a place and a listening ear for Quebec within Canada?

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12:05 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière—Hébertville—Pays-des-Bleuets, QC

Mr. Speaker, I always feel sorry for my federalist colleagues when they fall for the line that Ottawa knows best what is good for them. I also feel sorry for my colleagues who fail to see that, economically speaking, Quebec is the one most affected by the tariffs, while Ottawa continues to invest billions of dollars in the oil industry, which is not affected by the tariffs and whose revenues go directly to the United States.

Still, I am optimistic because anyone can see the light someday. I am confident that members like my colleague, the member for Québec Centre, will see the light one day and build the country of Quebec with us.

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12:05 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak to Bill C-34, the safe social media act. I will be talking about young people, concerned parents and women who are victims of violence online.

Social media is part of our lives. It helps us stay connected and keep up with the news. For young people, it is also where friendships are formed and where they try to find their place. I am not saying social media is bad. It has many positive aspects. We also know there are risks, and these risks can sometimes have very serious consequences. A young person can be humiliated in front of their entire school. An intimate photo can be shared without their consent. A child can gain access to content that encourages them to harm themselves.

The consequences do not just disappear when we turn off our phones. They follow us to school and home, and sometimes they even keep us awake at night. In Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, and everywhere else in the country, families want their children to be safe. That is only natural. That is why we must take action.

A lot of demands are placed on parents today. They have to set limits, understand constantly changing applications and talk about new dangers. Of course, parents play a vital role. No one is saying otherwise. However, we have to be realistic: Parents cannot look at every video and comment. They cannot predict what a platform is going to offer their child the next day.

Businesses know how their platforms work. They pick the tools provided and the content recommended. They have to accept their share of responsibility too. Leaving families and victims to fend for themselves is not normal.

I would now like to move on to something near and dear to my heart: the protection of women, children and girls. Take a simple example. A young woman shares an intimate photo with someone she trusts. Later on, that photo is sent on to others without her consent. This is a violation of her privacy, even if it follows an argument or separation. Consent matters. Giving someone a photo never amounts to agreeing that it be shown to everyone else.

Today, there is another problem to contend with. Artificial intelligence makes it possible to create a fake intimate image. A person's face can be used to create a photo that was never actually taken. This is called deepfaking. Even if the image is fake, the shame, fear and consequences can be very real.

Imagine a teenage girl returning to class the next day, or a woman seeing this image circulating at work. No one should have to go through that. Bill C-34 provides for a swift response to certain types of very serious content. This includes intimate images shared without consent, including sexualized deepfakes. It also includes content related to the sexual exploitation of children.

For both of these categories, the bill stipulates that the content must be made inaccessible in Canada within 24 hours of being detected or reported. It also provides a process for appealing the decision. The reason it is so important to be so swift is that an image can cause enormous damage in just a few hours, and the victim should not have to take it upon themselves to remove every copy of that image.

We also need to better protect children before problems arise. Today, many young people spend time on platforms that were designed to keep their attention. One video leads to another, then another and another. Even adults sometimes have a hard time stopping, so imagine what this must be like for a child. The bill would require the services in question to look at the risks their platform presents and do what is needed to mitigate those risks.

I am thinking of cyber-bullying, attempts at sexual exploitation and content that encourages young people to harm themselves. Children's safety must be taken into account when the platform is designed. It must not depend solely on a child's ability to find the right button to ask for help.

The bill proposes a rule for some social media platforms. Young people under the age of 16 would not be allowed to have an account. However, I want to clarify. This does not mean that the bill bans all digital tools for all young people. A service can get an exception if they demonstrate that they meet the child protection requirements. This is worth considering. Young people need to talk to their friends. Their personal information needs to be protected and their age needs to be verified. Those are important issues. We need to carefully examine them in committee.

To put it simply, if a company wants young users on its platform, it must be able to demonstrate that it is protecting them.

We also need to talk about artificial intelligence. Chatbots respond around the clock. They can make people feel like someone is listening, but a digital tool will never replace a loved one, nor can it replace a professional when a person is in distress. Bill C‑34 introduces measures to reduce the risks associated with these services. For example, when a user expresses suicidal thoughts or says they want to harm themselves, the service would be required to direct them to appropriate help. This is an important safeguard, especially for young people and vulnerable individuals.

Drafting good regulations is one thing; ensuring compliance is another. The bill would create an independent digital safety commission of Canada tasked with overseeing compliance with the regulations. Platforms would be required to explain the risks and the measures taken to reduce those risks. Financial penalties may apply in cases of non-compliance. When a company's decisions affect the safety of millions of people, it must be held accountable.

I would also like to say a few words about freedom of expression and privacy. These rights are essential. Protecting young people and victims does not mean silencing those who hold different opinions. The bill targets specific categories of harmful content. Private messaging does not fall within its scope. We must remain vigilant about the way in which users' ages will be verified. The committee's study will provide an opportunity to hear from parents, young people, experts, and organizations that defend the rights of Canadians. We have to get this right.

No law can prevent all problems on the Internet. Parents and schools will always have a role to play. That said, we can do better. We can ask platforms to prevent risks and respond quickly when someone experiences online abuse. I am thinking of the families in Boisbriand, Saint-Eustache, Rosemère, and Deux-Montagnes. They want the same thing as all Canadian families: for their children to grow up and learn in safety. I am also thinking of the women and girls who simply want to live, work and express themselves without fear of being humiliated and intimidated online. For their sake, we must move forward. That is why I support Bill C-34 and am in favour of referring it to committee, where we will have the opportunity to review it, ask the right questions and improve it if necessary.

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12:15 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette—Manawan, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate my colleague for her speech on this important bill. When the committee considered this matter, it adopted the following recommendation

That the Government of Canada, in addressing the effects of influencers and social media on children and adolescents—and while recognizing the jurisdiction and primacy of the provinces in matters relating to social services and youth protection—adopt an asymmetrical and flexible approach.

Does my colleague feel that the government has adopted a sufficiently asymmetrical and flexible approach with this bill in order to recognize provincial jurisdiction and precedence in social policy and youth protection? Has it sufficiently consulted Quebec and the provinces on this matter, particularly with regard to youth protection and the various social issues?

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12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Speaker, we must respect provincial and federal areas of jurisdiction. We must also ensure that we work together. We must ensure that all MPs from Quebec, who represent Quebec, respect one another and ensure that they represent their constituents effectively. Governments at all levels, whether provincial or federal, must work in partnership to make meaningful progress. Bill C-34 specifically helps to ensure that the young people using these platforms are safe.

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12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Guillaume Deschênes-Thériault Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague, whom I hold in high regard, for her speech. As legislators, we have a responsibility to adapt to the issues of the day. As we know, kids today do not face the same threats as kids from previous generations. Virtual spaces and social media are ubiquitous, and AI use is on the rise.

What are my colleague's thoughts on our responsibility as parliamentarians to acknowledge these technological changes? How can we ensure that the legislative framework keeps pace with these changes?

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12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Speaker, laws often lag behind a changing society . Twenty years ago, we did not have to deal with social media, but now we need to create new laws to regulate it.

We need to make sure that our young people are able to surf the Internet safely and that any non-consensual images are taken down. We have to make sure of that. These things did not exist 20 or 30 years ago. The bill will help us to regulate this phenomenon. I am deeply troubled to know that deepfakes and images that young people did not consent to share are being posted on social media. This causes enormous harm to these young people and these women.

The bill will be sent to committee. We will hear from experts and we will move forward.

I am sure that we will find a solution that everyone can agree on.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON

Mr. Speaker, we agree that children are being harmed, and parents, I know, are desperate for a solution. Tech giants have operated without accountability for far too long, and it is important that we hold big tech accountable. Would this bill do that?

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12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Speaker, we must ensure that we respond appropriately through legislation.

Bill C-34 will address certain issues, such as ensuring that social media platforms implement programs to protect young people. That said, Bill C-22 is also important because it serves as the foundation for all of this. That bill is currently before the Senate and it must be passed.

The same is true for Bill C-34, which will ensure that we continue to regulate big tech.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON

Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to rise today to speak to Bill C-34, the safe social media act, on behalf of the constituents of Richmond Hill South.

Children need real protection online and parents need confidence that the services their children use are designed with their safety in mind. Children are being harmed, families are looking for answers and technology companies have too often left parents to manage risks that those companies are sometimes better positioned to address.

Holding social media platforms accountable should be a shared commitment across the House, but would Bill C-34 deliver that accountability? If it is passed, how will we know whether it is working? Would success mean fewer children experiencing exploitation, harassment and harmful interactions, or would it mean that platforms have filed the required plans and completed the necessary paperwork? Those are different outcomes, and Parliament should be clear about which one matters.

As lawmakers, we should examine its proposals seriously. At the same time, supporting the objective does not relieve us of the responsibility to scrutinize the approach.

The bill shares important features with and seems to draw inspiration from the European Union's model of platform regulation, including risk management obligations, transparency requirements and an oversight regulator. That comparison is particularly timely because the Canada-European Union summit begins today in Montreal, with digital co-operation among the subjects on its published agenda.

What does the government intend that co-operation to include? Will it involve research, enforcement, co-operation and sharing evidence, or could it involve commitments to align Canadian legislation with European rules made overseas? Will we be ceding our authority in this Canadian Parliament to the European Parliament? Will the Canadian government retain our own regulatory authority in respect of Canadians, or will co-operation yield jurisdiction to European regulators?

The EU's proposed kids act provides an interesting comparison. It proposes independent accounts from age 15 and up, with supervised restricted accounts for 13- and 14-year-olds and a ban on access for children under the age of 13. Bill C-34 proposes an under the age of 16 account restriction for specified services. The Europeans have chosen to go with a different age threshold and a phased approach. The EU's proposed kids act is also far more broad in scope, covering app stores, operating systems and gaming platforms, which are not contemplated in Bill C-34.

Canadians should know whether their government is contemplating any commitment to follow the European proposal and how it intends to preserve the Canadian Parliament's ability to make decisions suited to Canadian circumstances. Will Parliament see the terms of any proposed alignment, and will Canadian families have a meaningful opportunity to explain how those choices would affect them?

That brings me to the implementation. The bill would require protective design features, but important details would be established through regulations by unelected government officials rather than legislation made by elected lawmakers. What would that mean for recommendation feeds and that repeatedly direct children toward disturbing material? What would it mean for autoplay, persistent notifications or design choices that encourage young people to remain online long after they intended to leave? How much of the practical protection would Canadians understand when Parliament votes, and how much would become clear only after regulations by this new digital safety commission are developed at a future date?

There can be reasons to leave technical details to regulations, particularly when technology changes quickly, but elected representatives should still understand the specifics of the framework they are being asked to approve. What measurable outcomes would the government publish and what would trigger a change in approach if the evidence shows that children remain exposed to the same harms and that the unelected regulators and this new digital safety commission are failing to meet the stated legislative objectives?

We should examine the proposed account restriction with the same seriousness. If teenagers lose access to familiar platforms, where would they go? Could some move to smaller services with weaker safeguards, less moderation and fewer opportunities for parents to understand what is happening? That is a risk to investigate rather than an outcome we should assume, but surely an implementation plan must consider what would happen after an account is blocked.

Australia's early experience illustrates why evaluation matters. Its online safety regulator reported that 70% of children under 16 who had accounts before the restriction were able to retain them or create new ones at the three-month mark, while also reporting that harm complaint did not decline at all.

What lessons has the government drawn from that experience? What would Canada do differently where enforcement has proved difficult? How would platforms deal with false ages, borrowed accounts or attempts to evade location checks, including through VPNs? Would those efforts produce effective protection or repeated demands for more information from everyone using the service?

Parents know their children in ways that politicians and regulators cannot and will not, so how would this framework give families practical tools while ensuring that companies retain responsibility for the risks they may have helped expose children to?

The scope of the legislation also deserves careful examination. The bill provides for user thresholds established through regulations but it also allows particular, smaller social media services to be designated where significant risks exist. It contains a mechanism for bringing additional categories of online services into the framework. The question, therefore, is how effectively those powers would be used when children's behaviour changes. Would elected members in the Parliament get a say? Would this inadvertently create uncertainty for industry? How quickly could government respond if young people migrated to a smaller service that fell below the general threshold but presented comparable dangers? We should also ask how interactive gaming environments would be assessed, as opposed to just conventional social media feeds.

When a service combines gaming, public interaction, private communication and user-generated content, which features of the service would determine its treatment and how would parents know which protections apply?

Those implementation questions become even more important when we consider privacy. Age assurance and verification call into question whether it would require every Canadian to upload a driver's licence or photo identification and what sorts of technologies would be used in the process of verification and storage. The legislation would, however, contemplate age verification or estimation, which raises practical questions about what information would be collected, who would handle it and how compliance would be checked.

The bill includes safeguards restricting the use of that information, requiring its protection and providing for its destruction once the age check is complete, but how exactly to ensure that? Those requirements matter but parents will reasonably ask how they would be enforced across contractors, verification vendors, backup systems and the data retention laws of other jurisdictions. What evidence would establish that information has been deleted? How would failures be detected and what remedy would a family have if sensitive information was exposed before the regulator discovered that something had gone wrong?

No government can honestly promise that a data breach will never occur, which makes it essential to minimize collection and demonstrate why any information being requested is necessary.

The governance of the new commission deserves an equally careful examination, particularly because rule-making, investigation, enforcement and decision-making functions place substantial authority within the same institution. The bill would assign substantial powers to cabinet and the commission rather than to Parliament. The new commissioner would serve as a sort of superregulator that will wield serious power by acting as a rule-maker, investigator, enforcer, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner all at the same time.

When Parliament delegates consequential choices about the boundaries of an online safety regime, Canadians should be able to understand who makes those choices, what evidence supports them and how an error can be challenged. Would the opportunities to make representations, the reporting requirements and the available avenues of review be sufficient to provide meaningful accountability, especially for an individual or smaller business without extensive legal resources? How would Parliament assess whether the commission was exercising its authority proportionately and what information would allow members to distinguish effective protection from administrative activity?

Freedom of expression must remain part of that assessment. Bill C-34 leaves the definition of regulated social media services to future regulations by unelected government officials. It defines some categories of harmful content but those definitions still require further interpretation and platforms still make decisions about individual posts in circumstances where context can be difficult for automated systems to understand. How would it distinguish the discussion of self-harm intended to help a young person from material encouraging it or distinguish reporting on hateful conduct from endorsing that conduct? How would the threshold of harmful content be determined and how would it be applied?

The maximum administrative monetary penalty is the greater of $10 million and 3% of global revenue. Could the penalty create an incentive to encourage excessive restriction of lawful, educational, artistic or political expression? How would the government measure and correct that possibility? Would it inadvertently stifle freedom of expression and the creation of new services?

Related legislation elsewhere has faced constitutional challenges just south of the border, including state-level laws on social media age verification and bans, with various provisions from at least half a dozen jurisdictions being suspended or subject to judicial scrutiny. The question is how the Canadian charter would apply to Bill CC-34. What has the government learned from those disputes in other jurisdictions? How has that analysis informed provisions intended to provide durable protection rather than years of uncertainty and litigation? These questions come from taking the objective seriously.

Families deserve protection that works. Companies deserve clear obligations that can be held to. Canadians deserve confidence that privacy and lawful expression will receive meaningful protection throughout implementation. We should study Bill C-34 carefully and insist not on a mere compliance regime where success is measured by how much paperwork it produces but a framework where success is measured by safer children and accountable companies. That is the responsibility before the House.

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12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Marilyn Gladu Liberal Sarnia—Lambton—Bkejwanong, ON

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member had a lot of questions in his speech about details that should come forward. I wonder if he has any specific amendments he would like to see brought to committee.

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON

Mr. Speaker, these are questions that Parliament should be asking and that parents are demanding answers to. Parents expect their children to be protected. They expect technology companies to be held accountable.

What Canadians do not want to see is a new online regime that creates more paperwork and more compliance, and where success is measured through mere compliance with those requirements, as we see in the case of Australia, where the effects have not been wildly positive. As a matter of fact, harm complaints are at the same levels as before the legislation was enacted.

These are serious questions that should be asked, questions that the government should be able to answer.

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12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette—Manawan, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate my colleague on his speech.

I would like to hear his views on whether Bill C-34 is flexible enough to allow the provinces to apply their own rules, based on their own interests. I would draw a parallel with the drinking age. We know that Quebec forms a nation, but there are differences even between the provinces, as in the example I gave, where laws and age restrictions can vary from one province to the next.

Could the same apply to the issue we are talking about here, namely access to social media? Does Bill C‑34 provide enough flexibility?

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON

Mr. Speaker, the question the member brings up is about the issue of jurisdiction. That is a question that should be asked as well.

Jurisdiction is an issue that perhaps applies to laws that are made even outside of Canada. There may be laws from other countries that these social media platforms have to adhere to about data retention. For example, if there is a Canadian law that says that these companies have to retain the private information of individuals and that this Canadian law may require it to be destroyed, rightly so, after the purpose has been met, it might actually contravene another law of a different country.

These are questions that are worth asking and that the government needs to answer.

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Steven Bonk Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Mr. Speaker, whenever my colleague gives a speech in this House, it is very dense and full of facts.

With his legal background, I would like to ask him about something that is very important. He mentioned two things: one was implementation and one was definitions. We cannot get into the implementation until we have strict definitions. He said that the defining features of this legislation would be in regulations that are to come from unelected bureaucrats. Could he maybe expand on that and on the dangers of that?

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12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON

Mr. Speaker, this is one of the alarming features of the government. It tends to trust unelected bureaucrats, and its members tend to defend those decisions. They tend to forget that they are elected by the people. They are elected by Canadians to work for Canadians, to listen to Canadians, to express the concerns of Canadians and, in this case, to listen to parents and protect the interests of children. Parliament is right to be able to ask those questions rather than ceding our decision-making authority to unelected regulators that these Liberals love to defend.

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12:35 p.m.

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Liberal

Ruby Sahota LiberalSecretary of State (Combatting Crime)

Mr. Speaker, the member said that success should not be measured by mere compliance. Well, if these companies comply with this bill, I believe we can say that is success because they would have a duty to act responsibly, a duty to protect children and a duty to make certain contact inaccessible.

Would the member agree that that would be success?

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12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON

Mr. Speaker, that Liberal member clearly has not heard the entire speech, because what I said was “mere compliance should not be the measure of success.” It is the outcomes that we need to measure. We can see that in the Australian context where they have a lot of compliance but not a lot of results.

That seems to be a theme that the Liberal government likes to follow. It wants to announce and announce, comply and comply, and create these legislative frameworks with no results to show for them.

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12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Guillaume Deschênes-Thériault Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Mr. Speaker, today we are debating a very important bill aimed at protecting our children. I have no children of my own, but I am an uncle and a godfather. I know these children will grow up in a world that is quite different from the one I grew up in, even though I am not that old. The digital world has become omnipresent in our lives and in the lives of young people. Obviously, social media is everywhere, and artificial intelligence is on the rise. This opens up a number of possibilities. These new technologies can be very useful to young people, but they also come with risks, new threats and new dangers that previous generations may not have had to deal with in the same way.

As a legislator, I think it is important to pay attention to these changes and adapt our legislative framework to keep kids safe. For example, when parents send their kids to school, to activities run by community organizations or to other institutions, they expect their kids to be safe in those environments. The same should be true in the virtual spaces that are becoming increasingly ubiquitous in modern life. As a result, big tech and social media platforms should have certain obligations to keep kids safe online. Parents certainly have a role to play, but they cannot monitor their kids 24 hours a day. I believe that, as parliamentarians, we must give parents the tools they need and help them keep their kids safe online.

That is exactly what we are doing with Bill C-34. We are implementing an appropriate framework to protect children from being exposed to harmful content while using chatbots and social media. This bill is in keeping with the spirit of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, because one of the articles of that convention talks about measures that should be taken to protect children from material or information that could be injurious to their well-being. As members know, children can be exposed to a lot of such content online.

With Bill C‑34, we are proposing a better regulatory framework governing how children under the age of 16 use social media. This is an important issue because, when we look at the data, it is clear that young people are experiencing mental health problems. A number of indicators are quite worrisome, all things considered. The excessive and addictive use of social media can have an impact on mental health. This has been documented. Research also shows that the adverse effects social media can have on mental health are even more pronounced among preteens and teens. We also know that there is harmful content out there that young people can be exposed to. We have a responsibility to protect young people from that kind of content.

Our approach with Bill C-34 is to ban people under the age of 16 from having accounts on platforms that have not proven that their services are safe. An important distinction needs to be made here. This is not an outright ban. We are not banning all social media for people under 16. We are preventing them from creating accounts on platforms that do not submit a safety plan. Bill C‑34 sets out a specific procedure. Platforms that want to allow young people under 16 to create an account will have to apply to the new digital safety commission for an exemption and prove that their products are safe for children. They will have to show how they protect children from harmful content, like content that could incite violence or bullying, content that involves sexual exploitation or intimate images shared without consent, or content that could encourage young people to harm themselves or others. That kind of content should not be available to our youth online. Unfortunately, as they are currently designed, the algorithms sometimes expose young people to content like that much too early in life, and it can affect their mental health.

If the digital platforms want young people to have accounts, they will have to implement safety measures and revise their algorithms. I am no technology expert, but there are ways to prevent young people from being exposed to this type of content. The platforms will have to prove their measures work. If not, they will have to implement age verification. Several age verification tools are available. There are models in Australia and the United Kingdom. We did not identify a specific model in the bill because we know that technology evolves.

The model that is ultimately adopted will need to be approved by the new digital safety commission, which will bring together experts in the field. There must be a degree of flexibility in determining the most effective methods of verifying people's age online while also respecting their privacy.

This is an important point. Where age verification is required, there will also be obligations regarding privacy protection and the prompt deletion of supporting documents. In this way, the platforms can effectively verify age while also ensuring that this data is not retained, thereby protecting privacy.

We know that artificial intelligence is revolutionizing the world as we know it. It is therefore important to address the issue of our young people's safety when they use various AI-powered tools, particularly chatbots. The aim of Bill C-34 is to require certain safeguards to be built into these tools from the design stage onward. We are taking proactive measures through prevention.

When algorithms are used, how does the system work? How can we set guidelines to ensure that these services are safe for young people to use? These services must embed age-appropriate safeguards into the design and operation of their products. We have an obligation to act responsibly and to mitigate the risk of harmful behaviour that could be incited by these chatbots.

Here is a concrete example. Unfortunately, young people may experience mental health challenges. If somebody uses a chatbot to ask about self-harm or say they are contemplating suicide, certain mechanisms should be set in motion. There would be requirements in this respect. If a young person asks a chatbot a question about these types of issues, they would automatically be referred to the appropriate resources. There would also be measures in place if somebody talks about harming others.

In what context should the company that owns the chatbot refer a matter to the RCMP?

There will be clearer guidelines and procedures to ensure that these tools are safer to use. The chatbots will have to be transparent. Companies will also have to submit a safety plan to the commission. Simply making an effort will not be good enough. They will have to explain how they plan to implement these safety measures.

The bill also requires a faster process for removing harmful content. We know how harmful it can be for someone to have their intimate images shared without their consent. This also includes deepfakes. In the age of AI, it is possible to create images that appear very real, featuring someone's face, but that are in fact fake images depicting situations that are sometimes intimate.

The sharing of this kind of image is extremely harmful. Incidentally, we legislated on this issue by passing Bill C-16. Bill C‑34 goes one step further. It imposes a duty on the platforms to quickly suppress this kind of content. If non-consensual intimate content is posted on online platforms or social media, the companies will have a duty to ensure that it is quickly taken down. If they do not, the digital safety commission will have the authority to levy fines. We need to take action and take this issue very seriously, because it has a real impact on the victims.

Lastly, Bill C‑34 will also create the new digital safety commission of Canada. This commission will bring together experts in the field and report annually to Parliament. Its report will be submitted to the minister and tabled in Parliament to ensure accountability.

This commission and these experts will examine the digital safety plans prepared and published by social media platforms and chatbot services to verify whether they meet the required standards. Do they sufficiently meet the standards to allow people under the age of 16 to use them?

This commission will also help ensure transparency by requiring platforms to submit their safety plans to it. The commission will also be responsible for imposing fines. I think imposing fines is important because we need to ensure a certain level of accountability. If platforms fail to meet their obligations, there need to be real consequences. In the event of non-compliance, there could be a fine of up to 3% of global revenue, so these amounts could be very significant. This is essential.

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Conservative

Steven Bonk Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Mr. Speaker, the Liberals brought forward this bill, and there are a lot of things resting on it, but the most important is definitions. I mentioned this to my colleague who gave a speech previously: How can we measure outcomes and how can we measure progress if we do not even have strict definitions with respect to what the bill is intended to do?

Can the member enlighten us about exactly what definitions the government is going for when it comes to social media platforms?

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Liberal

Guillaume Deschênes-Thériault Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Mr. Speaker, the bill sets out very clearly defined categories of harmful content. These include incitement to violence, non-consensual sharing of intimate images, incitement to bullying, and other forms. It is important to note that an independent digital safety commission will be established. Experts will serve on this commission. They will be able to examine what constitutes harmful content and explore ways to protect young people from exposure to such content. In terms of accountability, the commission will be required to submit an annual report to the minister, which will then be submitted to Parliament.

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Bloc

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my colleague and neighbour from Chaleur Bay for his substantive contribution to this debate.

My question for him is quite specific. In Quebec, the issue of young people's screen time has been studied extensively. A commission was set up. It held 30 meetings and spent 32 hours studying the matter, with 7,000 people responding to questionnaires and 2,500 Quebeckers providing feedback. One of the key outcomes of that work was recommendation 42, which states that social media accounts should be banned for youth under the age of 14. In Bill C-34, the ban is for youth 16 and under.

Why did the Liberals not bother to read the work that had already been done in Quebec and include those findings in their bill?

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12:45 p.m.

Liberal

Guillaume Deschênes-Thériault Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Mr. Speaker, consultations were conducted across the country. In developing this bill, the government drew on scientific articles and studies. Consultations were held in Quebec, the Maritime provinces, western Canada and Ontario. A considerable amount of groundwork has gone into the preparation of this legislation. There will also be work carried out in committee, where we will be able to hear other perspectives.

I have heard several questions from the Bloc Québécois regarding jurisdiction. However, when it comes to these platforms, we are talking about regulating web giants and access to international digital platforms in Canada. This is a public safety matter. I believe that protecting young people on social media is just as important whether the young person lives in Charlo, on my side of Chaleur Bay, or in Bonaventure, on my colleague's side.

As the federal government, I believe we have a responsibility to act and to provide a national framework that helps ensure our young people are safe online, while, of course, listening carefully to what the provinces have to say.

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Liberal

Marianne Dandurand Liberal Compton—Stanstead, QC

Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Madawaska—Restigouche gave a very eloquent speech about about Bill C-34.

I want to elaborate on what he said and talk about cellular connectivity, because my colleague and I face the same challenge with regard to cellular connectivity in the regions. That is an issue that we are working on together.

I would like him to talk about the importance of cellular connectivity in the regions, which will enable everyone to connect to social media.