House of Commons Hansard #163 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was s-5.

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Connected Care for Canadians Act Second reading of Bill S-5. The bill requires health information technology vendors to adopt common standards and prohibits data blocking, aiming to let patients and authorized providers securely share medical records, improve care coordination and support research. Members broadly endorse interoperability but raise questions about privacy, cybersecurity, implementation costs, vendor oversight, innovation and provincial jurisdiction, particularly Quebec’s. Conservatives support the goal while calling for scrutiny of implementation and accountability; the Bloc opposes the bill without stronger protections for provincial authority. 36300 words, 4 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize the government’s taxes and spending, warning of food affordability problems and rising debt. They challenge immigration levels and accounting, and repeatedly question the Prime Minister over a Telesat contract and potential conflicts of interest. They also raise concerns about government transparency, public safety and bail reform.
The Liberals promote Budget 2026 as a plan for affordability and investment, fiscal strength, housing and support for families. They defend immigration reforms, highlight clean-energy projects and Canadian sovereignty, and back major-project development, jobs and business productivity. They also defend the Prime Minister’s ethics and deny his involvement in Telesat decisions.
The Bloc opposes Bill C-39 over Indigenous rights, environmental protections and limits on striking. It also condemns oil companies’ record profits and government support for the fossil fuel industry, including a proposed pipeline and oil-and-gas tax deductions. (/debates/2026/11/5/mario-simard-10/)
The NDP call for affordability measures, including non-market housing, affordable groceries and better health care, and warn that AI data centres could raise electricity costs for families.

Financial Statement of Minister of Finance Members debate Budget 2026, which the Liberal government presents as a plan for economic growth, affordability, housing, sovereignty and cultural investment. Conservatives criticize its deficits, borrowing and accounting framework, while the Bloc raises concerns about Quebec’s health transfers, asylum costs and jurisdiction. The NDP questions spending priorities, and the Green Party and Bloc criticize climate measures. 13200 words, 2 hours.

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10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Madam Speaker, I think this is becoming a bit of a running gag. After literally every speech I give in this House, the member for Winnipeg North stands and says, “but Stephen Harper”. I suspect that he checks under his bed for Stephen Harper before he goes to sleep at night.

In general, I criticized the federal government trying to do things that cannot be done. This is a vast country. If this problem were solvable, it would be solvable close to home at a low level. If a single province cannot get this done within its borders, I do not understand how any federal government, Stephen Harper's or otherwise, would be able to achieve that.

Is it still a good idea to do something that is well-intentioned but doomed to failure? Part of the answer to that is how much money the Liberals plan to spend on their well-intentioned, doomed project.

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10:55 a.m.

Bloc

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

Madam Speaker, looking over the bill, we can see that it will be implemented by order in council.. Looking at the provision governing such orders, we find the following in clause 7:

The Governor in Council may, by order, make any provision of this Act or the regulations applicable in any province or territory if the Governor in Council is satisfied,

Already, we see that discretionary power comes into play.

after applying the criteria and the process provided for in the regulations,

We pass the laws, but regulations never come back before legislators.

that the province or territory does not have requirements that are substantially similar to or exceed those established under this Act.

A moment ago, the minister said the bill would not apply in the provinces or territories that already have legislation. However, through regulations and orders in council, the bill also allows her to satisfy herself that federal action is nonetheless required.

The territories' and the provinces' jurisdiction over health, however, is constitutionally established. Does my colleague not see that as a potentially dangerous discretionary power?

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10:55 a.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Madam Speaker, I think it is dangerous. There are two major dangers that I see. One is to free enterprise. If we have some giant regulator, unaccountable to the House, making decisions about what constitutes interoperability, how is that going to affect my friend? He is a professor of medicine. He is, frankly, a genius. He is trying to develop this ultrasound AI-powered technology. It would be easy for the regulator to put restrictions on him that would make it almost impossible for him to enter the market unless he lives up to the standard that the fat cats like Cerner and Meditech get the regulator to adopt. There is a real risk of protectionism and the choking out of health care innovation.

I have read the Canadian Constitution front to back a few times. It talks about hospitals being under provincial jurisdiction. We have the Public Health Agency, we have Health Canada, and we have the Canada Health Act. It seems that in many ways in this country, health care currently comes under federal jurisdiction, and the words “health care” do not appear in Canada's written constitution, at least.

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10:55 a.m.

Conservative

Jeremy Patzer Conservative Swift Current—Grasslands—Kindersley, SK

Madam Speaker, it is important to hear from somebody like my colleague, who has the medical professional background that he does. He has very eloquently expressed a lot of the problems that currently exist. It is very reasonable for Canadians to expect that their data and their information would be available to them wherever they may be, and I think this is a problem that needs to be addressed. It has been a problem in Saskatchewan. It has been a problem in Ontario, as he has highlighted very well.

I passed a bill on the copyright side for interoperability, so I appreciate his talking about the need for data interoperability. I am just wondering, on that very specific point, if he has a little more to add to the remarks he made earlier.

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November 5th, 2026 / 10:55 a.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Madam Speaker, something the member was driving at that I think is really important is the lens I would want this sort of bill to take. In medicine in general, we have struggled over the last several decades to be more patient-centred and less institutionally centred in our approach. I would love it if this health information technology bill put health information technology more in the hands of patients, if it adopted the patient-centred approach. Instead of a bill telling Epic and Cerner that they have to fulfill Canada Health Infoway's requirements on interoperability, I would love to see a bill that asks Cerner and Epic to put the health information in the hands of the patient to whom the information pertains, and then that patient could choose to hand it over to Epic or to Meditech if and when they see fit.

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11 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Yves Duclos Liberal Québec Centre, QC

Madam Speaker, I was also very pleased and very interested by the speech we just heard from someone who obviously knows and cares very much about how health care systems work and should operate. I am curious to hear his point of view on the connection between research, science and health, health data and health clinical work. Does he believe that providing better access to data to researchers, scientists and health experts could lead to better development of technologies and better use of those technologies?

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11 a.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Madam Speaker, yes.

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11 a.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, I have a fairly straightforward question. I hope we get the same sort of an answer.

The member talked originally about the principle of the legislation being something he appreciated. Then, when he answered my question, at the tail end he planted the seed of doubt as to whether the Conservatives would want to see the legislation go to committee. Can the member indicate whether the Conservative Party will be voting in favour of the legislation to go to committee?

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11 a.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Madam Speaker, my understanding is that the Liberal government has a majority in the House. The legislation will pass if the Liberal Party wants to pass it. I am honestly befuddled as to why the parliamentary secretary to the government House leader is so interested in whether we support the legislation. I am not in a position to speak for the Conservative Party today. For myself, I can say I have not made up my mind.

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11 a.m.

Conservative

Tamara Kronis Conservative Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Madam Speaker, I am wondering what additional data the hon. member is looking for, in terms of what the government needs to provide in order to give not just Conservatives but Canadians comfort that the legislation would be implemented well and would provide for good, truly interoperable portable systems.

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11 a.m.

Conservative

Matt Strauss Conservative Kitchener South—Hespeler, ON

Madam Speaker, it comes down to trust. It is my understanding, based on the Senate testimony, that the intent is for Canada Health Infoway to lead this effort. I do not trust Canada Health Infoway.

It is a really, really difficult technical problem. I understand some things about health care. I understand not a lot of things about information technology. There are very few people, I think, who actually could make regulations that make sense. Unfortunately, I feel that many of them are currently in the employ of Cerner, Meditech and Epic. If more meat could be put on the bones regarding who would actually be doing the regulations, thinking about the regulations, and how much money it would cost to get those people to do it, then perhaps I would have some more trust in this approach overall.

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11 a.m.

Bloc

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Madam Speaker, the people who turned on their televisions last night saw us debating. If they tuned in this morning, they would see that we are still here. I say that for those who think we do not do a lot of work. Extended hours, when we finish in the early hours of the morning, means that we need to use our notes to ensure that we stay on topic.

With respect to Bill S‑5, I must remind the House of Quebec's responsibility in delivering health care services. To me, that is clear. For the past few weeks, I have been the Bloc Québécois health critic. I have never seen so much pressure from the Conservative Party, senators, the government party and lobbyists to centralize health care powers in Ottawa. Every time, I am told that it would make things so much easier.

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11 a.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière—Hébertville—Pays-des-Bleuets, QC

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

My colleague is a generous woman. I am sure she would be willing to share her time with me.

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11 a.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Alexandra Mendès) Alexandra Mendes

I believe the hon. member for Laurentides—Labelle is seeking unanimous consent to split her time.

Is it agreed?

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11 a.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

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11 a.m.

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11 a.m.

Bloc

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Madam Speaker, setting aside any knee-jerk reaction I might have as a Quebec sovereignist to Ottawa's centralizing tendencies, there remains the broader issue of administering care and, above all, administering health care. I fully recognize that the sharing of information is critically important in health care. We need to be able to prevent epidemics, understand population movements and anticipate the long-term effects. I fully understand the importance of having an accurate picture of the public health situation. Take HIV/AIDS, for instance. In a study currently being conducted by our committee, officials from the Public Health Agency of Canada told us yesterday that they were having difficulty compiling data on the current situation in Canada.

That is why I encourage the provinces to work together and, with Ottawa's support, establish an effective framework for information sharing and exchange.

Quebec, whether as a province or as a country, has every interest in having access to reliable public health data at the North American level. That said, we should not ask Ottawa to dictate to the provinces how health care should be managed. Let us leave that to the provinces, public health agencies and health departments to determine together whether a common road map is the best way to collaborate.

The ideal would be for them to pool resources and expertise, because responsibilities are shared and solutions are developed collaboratively. That is the beauty of sharing.

Bill S‑5 could simply be based on a truly asymmetrical relationship and an uneven partnership, one that is more natural and in keeping with our federation.

In this case, it is the means I am questioning, not the end. Federal legislation that forces us to take on a subordinate role tells Quebeckers that the federal government wants to be the master in their house, whereas we want to be masters in our own house.

On this budget day, I would like to remind the House that “Maîtres chez nous” is more than a slogan. It represents the hopeful spirit of the Quiet Revolution, our collective drive as Quebeckers to assert ownership of the tools to build a modern, forward-thinking state that is committed to social progress.

The Trudeau government essentially stole our ideas. One might say that it drew inspiration from ideas such as child care and pharmacare. What we are seeing from the current government is something altogether different. It is appropriating symbols of national aspiration and collective emancipation. That is profoundly insulting.

When Quebec chose to take its destiny into its own hands, it did not wait for the federal government. It just did it. We have been proving that for decades. We built our own institutions, established our own frameworks and charted our own course. Now that the work is done, the federal government wants to tell us what to do. It should do the opposite and ask the provinces how this worthy objective can best be achieved. Instead, the same old reflexes persist. Unless the government is prepared, and this is important, to amend its bill to include a preamble stating that Quebec remains the primary architect of its health policies, we cannot support such a bill.

It is worth noting that Quebec already has its own digital health information system, known as the Health Booklet. This system allows all Quebec patients to access their list of medications, medical imaging and lab test results, and the services they have received since May 2026. Quebec has begun rolling out digital health records in the Mauricie region, the Centre-du-Québec region, and the northern part of the Island of Montreal. This project will enable the Quebec health care system to gradually phase out outdated technologies such as—I am embarrassed to say—the fax machine, and contribute to the digital transition of Quebec hospitals.

Going forward, patients will be able to access their medical information, appointment history and medical records through Mon dossier santé.

If the federal government really wants to support health care, I have an idea: Release the money. Unfortunately, the federal government cannot manage our emergency rooms, our CLSCs, our labour relations, the delivery of care or the priorities of our health care system, so we have a request. Every single year, we ask for more money in the form of health transfers. We firmly believe that 6% a year, for a total of $14 billion over five years, is not too much to ask, given all the tax dollars collected by Ottawa.

Yes, it is no secret that Quebec's health care system faces challenges, but it is up to the Quebec government to make its own decisions in the best interests of Quebeckers, in consultation with stakeholders on the ground who understand the real needs. My riding of Laurentides—Labelle has three hospitals, the Mont-Laurier hospital, the Rivière-Rouge hospital and the Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts hospital. They have enormous funding needs. In all three cases, private foundations are stepping in to make up for the funding shortfalls. Why? It is because, unfortunately, the federal government is not doing its part.

When it comes to equipment, it is quite remarkable that the community had to mobilize all its efforts just to secure access to an MRI machine, and even a CT scanner, only a few years ago. Rather than allocating funds for patient care, the federal government is just managing programs and telling others what to do. The federal government does not run a single clinic. Everyone has their own area of expertise.

When I talk to people, I ask them whether they would prefer option A or option B. Option A involves adding another layer of administration to Quebec's health care system. Option B involves Ottawa sending Quebec money so that we can provide care. Option B wins every time, both among health care professionals and among the public. People know that they pay more in taxes than what is transferred back to Quebec, so it is simple. Unless amendments are made, the Bloc Québécois will be voting against Bill S-5.

I will conclude as I began it. The government needs to let Quebec and the provinces manage their own health care systems and make their own decisions. Yes, let us work in partnership, but not by making Quebec and the provinces subordinate. Let us not go further down the road of an imposed federalism. We have had enough encroachments on provincial jurisdiction. As I always tell my colleagues, whenever provincial jurisdictions are at stake, I will be relentless, and my answer will always be no.

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11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Yves Duclos Liberal Québec Centre, QC

Madam Speaker, I thank our colleague for her excellent speech.

I would note two useful points. First, she said that the bill's objective is noble. Second, she said that the Canadian government has to show leadership in health care across the country, including in Quebec.

I would like to ask her whether she has had an opportunity in recent months to speak with researchers or experts in her riding who work on health data about the importance of having access to these data, and about the extent to which technological barriers put in place by large companies—barriers that often transcend the borders of a single province—can make accessing these critical data difficult, knowing full well that data can save lives.

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11:10 a.m.

Bloc

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Madam Speaker, my colleague is right to a large extent. Indeed, without data, how can we act? Scientists say that they want to do more, but that we have decades of data to compile before we can make changes.

That said, it matters who has the control. Consider, for example, a father who tells all his kids that he is going to manage everything and keep all the information to himself. We prefer self-determination. We believe that each of the children, the provinces and territories, should be trusted and provided with whatever they need to obtain that data. Then, these data can be pooled together to save lives.

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11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly DeRidder Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Madam Speaker, I appreciate my colleague's speech on this important issue today. I was particularly interested in the part about health care transfers. It is not a big ask for the provinces in order to provide the health care that Canadians deserve. It does fall under provincial jurisdiction, but they are asking the federal government for health transfers.

I would like to know the member's opinion on the fact that we are spending more taxpayer dollars on servicing our debt than we are on health care transfers in this country.

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11:15 a.m.

Bloc

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Madam Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to say one thing. We often hear about the desire to build Canada strong, about development and about the need to work together.

I find it hard to understand why, when all the provincial and territorial premiers spoke out so loudly, forcefully and unanimously to say that they needed health transfers, it all came to nothing. It would have been such a great opportunity to show that the government does indeed want to build Canada strong.

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11:15 a.m.

Bloc

Luc Thériault Bloc Montcalm, QC

Madam Speaker, when the pan-Canadian interoperability roadmap was announced, it was noted that:

Quebec has not signed any agreement with the federal government and is not bound by the conditions related to the document entitled “Working together to improve health care for Canadians”. Quebec remains fully committed to exercise its own responsibilities within its exclusive jurisdiction over health care and has not adhered to the pan-Canadian strategies concerning human resources, data and virtual care and mental health and intends to retain its full autonomy with regard to planning, organization and management of its health system. Quebec remains open, however, to share information and best practices with other governments in these areas.

The minister said earlier that she has the power to decide whether or not to impose the order in council. What I understood from my colleague's speech is that, unless the government explicitly states in the preamble to its bill that Quebec remains in charge of its health policies, she will not support the bill.

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11:15 a.m.

Bloc

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Madam Speaker, my colleague has such a way with words. He must have slept longer than I did yesterday, even though we were together.

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11:15 a.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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11:15 a.m.

Bloc

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Madam Speaker, we were together in the House. We did not sleep together.

I want to make this crystal clear: If the necessary firewalls are in place, if our responsibility for delivering services is clearly protected and if data is shared, we will obviously say yes.

Otherwise, there is too much margin for manoeuvre, and the autonomy of Quebec's health care sector could be negatively affected by these orders.