House of Commons Hansard #102 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was taxes.

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Facilitating Agricultural Regulatory Modernization Act First reading of Bill C-273. The bill proposes allowing Canadian farmers to access agricultural products approved by allied nations within 90 days, aiming to reduce bureaucratic delays and regulatory red tape to lower costs and increase food production. 300 words.

Petitions

Opposition Motion—Fuel Taxes Members debate a Conservative motion proposing the total removal of federal fuel taxes to address the national cost of living crisis. The Conservatives demand immediate relief for farmers and truckers by eliminating excise, GST, and carbon levies. In response, the Government announces a temporary suspension of excise taxes. Meanwhile, the Bloc Québécois questions the motion's environmental impact, and the NDP argues that corporate profits should fund relief without cutting infrastructure or health services. 50500 words, 6 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives dismiss the government's fuel tax relief as a half measure, demanding the elimination of all taxes on gas. They urge the government to defend private property rights following the Cowichan ruling and secret Musqueam agreements. They also raise ethics concerns over the Alto rail project and Iran’s UN committee membership.
The Bloc advocates for French-language regional news by calling for increased media funding and contributions from web giants. They also demand the government eliminate the EI "spring gap" and provide additional weeks of benefits for seasonal workers.
The NDP urges the government to enforce the Canada Health Act against expanding two-tiered diagnostics and care.
The Greens criticize cuts to scientific research in environment and agriculture, specifically for insect taxonomy.

Youth Criminal Justice Act Second reading of Bill C-231. The bill seeks to amend the Youth Criminal Justice Act by prioritizing addiction treatment for youth over traditional punitive measures. Representatives from all parties express support for the initiative, emphasizing the need for rehabilitation over incarceration. While supporting the overarching goal, some members propose targeted amendments to better integrate structured, evidence-based intervention and help youth break the vicious cycle of addiction. 5900 words, 45 minutes.

Conservation Donations Members debate Motion No. 15, proposing tax parity for land and monetary conservation donations. Liberals argue this voluntary approach leverages private investment for biodiversity goals. Conservatives oppose the motion, arguing it advances a "30 by 30" agenda that restricts economic activity and public land access. The Bloc Québécois supports the measure as a necessary tool to address the biodiversity crisis. 8300 words, 1 hour.

Adjournment Debates

Access to disability benefits Gord Johns argues the current disability tax credit process duplicates provincial efforts, wastes physician time, and creates barriers for applicants. He advocates for Bill C-211 to streamline access. Maggie Chi defends the current federal system, asserting it ensures consistent, equal support for Canadians across all provinces.
PrescribeIT program expenditure Matt Strauss criticizes the government for spending $250 million on the failed PrescribeIT project, demanding transparency through the release of the contract. Maggie Chi defends the government's decision to end the program, emphasizing their ongoing commitment to digitizing health care through new legislation and collaboration with provinces and territories.
Phoenix pay system replacement William Stevenson criticizes the government for the ongoing failures of the Phoenix pay system and expresses concern that the proposed replacement, Dayforce, will repeat past errors. Maggie Chi defends the government by citing improvements in pay accuracy and emphasizes that the gradual transition is designed to ensure reliability.
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Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—Glengarry, ON

Mr. Speaker, we fought for years on the side of Canadian farmers to axe the carbon tax, which the Liberals refused to do for years. It was only after relentless Conservative pressure and the Prime Minister's realizing his political situation that he decided to do so, only because Conservatives had advocated for that.

Here is the thing with Liberals. They say that they have a clean fuel standard of seven cents a litre. It is going up to 17¢ a litre. That includes on the price of diesel, which is used a lot on Canadian farms. They say they all benefit from paying 17¢ a litre more in the coming years, with zero rebates and zero direct benefit to them. We have seen this game before: “Do not worry. Pay this extra tax, but there is no extra cost to the cost of farming or of doing business.” It is just miraculous. Now they know, and they claim that the consumer carbon tax did do that.

It is about time they did the same thing for their fuel standard. It is putting farmers out of pocket big time.

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3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Mr. Speaker, I understand that my Conservative colleagues are concerned about inflation, the rising cost of living and the rising cost of fuel. We know that it is cyclical. We know that when there is a geopolitical crisis, the cost of fuel goes up.

However, there is a long-term solution that I never hear my Conservative colleagues talk about. The solution is the electrification of transportation. If we want to be less dependent on fuel and fluctuating prices, the best solution we have is to accelerate the electrification of transportation, particularly in Quebec, where hydroelectricity is abundant and very affordable.

Does my colleague not think that as the government cuts the gas tax, it should focus more on the electrification of transportation?

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—Glengarry, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am always open to new technologies and new ways of doing things. That is how the world evolves and how things have evolved for generations.

Here is the problem with the approach of the Bloc Québécois and the Liberals, for which I will give an example. My colleague the member for Regina—Wascana asked a question in question period earlier this week about the electrification of the bus fleet in Regina. The federal government subsidized hundreds of millions of dollars for electric buses in Canada that do not work in the winter. They work for only three hours before they need a charge again. That was an absolute waste of taxpayers' money at a time when the technology is not there.

I am all in favour of embracing technology and giving municipalities and businesses the option for them to choose what is best for them. That is number one. Number two is that when those technologies are not thoroughly thought through, it costs Canadian taxpayers even more.

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Kurt Holman Conservative London—Fanshawe, ON

Mr. Speaker, I know that the Liberal government says it is going to exempt the taxes all the way to September, but the Conservative plan offers the full exemption of taxes all the way to the end of 2026.

With this opportunity, I want my colleague to expand on how this would help the people of his riding and all Canadians.

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4 p.m.

Conservative

Eric Duncan Conservative Stormont—Dundas—Glengarry, ON

Mr. Speaker, this is an opportunity to remind Canadians that our Conservative plan would provide gas tax relief on all federal gas taxes: the excise tax, the clean fuel standard and the GST, a total of 25¢ a litre of the price of gas for the entire remainder of 2026, not just until Labour Day as the Liberals are offering on just the one part at 10¢ a litre. That would provide a family of four with $1,200 in savings.

The line I heard very often when I was growing up and becoming interested in politics, and what makes me a Conservative, is one I loved hearing years ago: Money is better spent by someone who earns it than by somebody who collects it. The money belongs in the pockets of Canadians to help them with real, meaningful relief from prices at the pumps.

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4 p.m.

Conservative

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my colleague from Ontario for sharing his time with me. I sincerely appreciate it, and I know that the constituents of Brandon—Souris will as well. It is always an honour to rise on behalf of the constituents in Brandon—Souris, the wheat city in western Manitoba.

The important motion before us today is simple, but if implemented fully and properly, it would serve as a very effective way to combat an issue that affects so many Canadians. Gas prices in Manitoba are some of the highest we have seen in years. It is all I heard about at the doors and at community halls these past few weeks through Easter.

In a country as large as Canada, driving is often a necessity and not a choice, especially in the rural regions I represent. It is no secret that for years Canadians have struggled with an affordability crisis caused by the Liberal government. Unfortunately, after 11 years of Liberals, we see that their costly deficits and out-of-control spending continue to grow. Liberals are happy to spend the hard-earned paycheques of Canadian taxpayers in the name of bureaucratic red tape, consultants, giant trains that do not touch the prairie provinces, and failed projects that achieve nothing for the people of my region.

After a decade of these Liberal taxes, constituents in western Manitoba are looking for some much-needed relief. It is hard to believe, but despite already paying some of the highest prices in the G7 for the food they eat, which many of my constituents grow, and despite paying some of the highest fuel prices they have seen in years, Canadians are seeing prices rising even higher. Earlier this month, the ongoing war in Iran forced Canadians to watch the price of gas skyrocket.

Canadians would be forgiven for thinking that these out-of-control prices are hitting our neighbours just the same, as the Liberals often say it is a global crisis. However, that is not the reality. In fact on April 1, Americans were paying 20% less for a litre of gas than we were here in Canada. How does the Liberal government explain that when challenges arise, Canadians seem to be the worst off in the G7? The answer is simple: The Liberals cannot, but Conservatives can.

Today, four Liberal taxes on Canadian fuel are responsible for the massive gap between Canada's prices and our closest allies' prices. Regardless of an announcement this morning, the Liberal government currently imposes, first, its fuel excise tax, which costs Canadians 10¢ on every litre of gas they buy. Second is the carbon tax, which the government has simply renamed its fuel standard and which adds another seven cents a litre. Third is the goods and services tax, GST, that applies to gas and diesel, which adds eight more cents to each litre of fuel. Finally, number four, is the industrial carbon tax, which will rise to $170 per tonne, with projections showing a loss of 50,000 jobs and our economy shrinking by 1.3% as a result.

Combined, these four taxes add 25¢ on each litre of gasoline and 21¢ on each litre of diesel fuel that Canadians buy. Each of these taxes adds up quickly at the gas station, but with higher prices already in existence before these price shocks have come into effect, Canadians feel even more pressure. All that is in addition to the Liberals' destructive record with Canada's oil and gas sector, the Manitoba component of which I am proud to represent.

The Liberals talk about resilience to world factors in global pricing. If they had allowed pipelines to be built and if we had been refining more of our oil in this country 10 years ago, Canada would have been more resilient to a global conflict that affects the world's price of oil and gas. Unfortunately, they were too short-sighted and stood in the way of those major nation-building infrastructure projects that were under way under the Conservatives, and now Canadians are literally paying the price for it.

The Prime Minister claims the Liberals will temporarily pause the fuel excise tax for just a few months, but we have not seen any action yet. If real progress had been made in expanding domestic capacity over the last 11 years, Canadians would have been far better shielded from the fuel prices we now face, but unfortunately the Liberals failed to heed calls from the Conservatives, and now we are where we are.

These are all facts that the Liberals have refused to admit are costing Canadians their livelihoods. As Canadians struggle with affordability, the Liberals are actually profiting from higher prices of oil, according to many former Liberal economic advisers. That is right. Canadians may be shocked to learn that every $10 increase in the price of a barrel of oil translates into roughly $2 billion in increased revenue for the federal government. Let us do the math. Oil prices have risen by $45 to $50 in the last few weeks, and if prices stay at their current levels, the Liberal government could collect an extra $9 billion to $10 billion this year. Meanwhile, the revenue from the taxes I mentioned earlier will bring in $5 billion in federal revenue. These are dollars taken directly from the pockets of Canadians, who are forced to pay these high prices at the pumps.

Farmers in Manitoba are just about to head to the fields for 2026 planting. When families have already squeezed their budgets for groceries, it is unconscionable that the Liberals are going to take more money from Canadians' pockets and funnel it into pet projects that benefit Liberal insiders and elites. That money should be left in Canadians' pockets so that they can continue to put gas in the tank and food on the table. Over the last two weeks, Conservatives have presented a plan to do that.

When families struggle, Conservatives stand up for Canadians. As His Majesty's loyal opposition, Conservatives have put forward legislation in this motion that would benefit the Canadians whose hardships have been for too long ignored by the Liberals, and that is why I am proud to support this Conservative motion today. It would remove the fuel excise tax and the GST on gasoline and diesel until the end of 2026, not just until September, as the Liberals have suggested, and our motion goes further, calling for the removal of the fuel standard and the industrial carbon tax permanently.

This is not radical policy. Around the world, allied countries have already beaten Canada to the punch. Australia, Austria, Germany, Spain, Ireland, Italy, each of these countries has taken the initiative to cut fuel prices or give relief at the gas pumps. Their leaders understand the challenges that their people face and have responded in the only way that provides real relief at the pump. Meanwhile, Canada's Prime Minister claimed the Liberals are still just “looking” into it. Then, just this morning, he paused a single one of those taxes for a few months.

This does not prove that the Liberals are doing the right thing for Canadians; it proves that they are stumbling behind our allies. Real leadership means taking concrete action before it is too late. Yes, the Liberals do have a history of poaching our policies, which they have clearly attempted to do today, but unfortunately removing just one of the federal taxes we put forward in this motion will not achieve the results that Canadians desperately need.

Most of the hard-working people of my riding cannot hop on a train or a bus. They cannot leave the car in the driveway and walk or bike to work or wherever they need to go. That is the reality for most of the people I represent. Regardless of why they need to drive, Canadians who do drive should not be punished by their government for doing so.

Our party, knowing that our cause is just and the solution is true, puts this motion forward in good faith today, urging the Liberals to fully accept our ideas on their merits, asking them to review it quickly and praying that they will implement it wholly and swiftly. Canadians are counting on it.

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:10 p.m.

Kings—Hants Nova Scotia

Liberal

Kody Blois LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister

Mr. Speaker, the clean fuel standard is not unlike what the Mulroney government did in the 1980s, which was actually mandating companies to remove lead from fuel that Canadians were using. In fact, the clean fuel standard is one of the best policies to actually reinvest into rural communities, because for Canadian farmers, including canola farmers and corn farmers who provide ethanol, this is an important driver of revenue. The member represents Brandon—Souris. Many of his farmers would benefit at the farm gate from these policies.

My question for him is this: Why is the Conservative Party so against a policy that would actually support a lot of rural communities in prairie provinces? With this logic, is he suggesting that we should bring back leaded fuel in Canada because we may be able to benefit by a few cents? Is that the position of the Conservative Party? Perhaps he wants to elaborate on what environmental policy, if any, the Conservatives have and how they would cost that out.

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Mr. Speaker, while I have great respect for the member and he is welcome to come and visit some of the farmers in western Manitoba any time, I have not found one yet who supports Liberal tax policy with respect to the carbon tax or any other of their massive initiatives that drive up the price of fuel.

What I have heard from the farmers is that they need new markets for their canola to sell abroad. There are lots of hungry people in the world. We need additional crushing capacity here in the country to create good jobs, and then we need to find new markets for that. The Liberals attempted to get a deal with China. I am not really sure where that has landed. Did the member get to go? I cannot remember whether he or the ag minister was on that trip. It did not really seem all that focused on agriculture.

If he wants to come to western Canada and talk about canola and the path forward for it, he is welcome to do that, and we will deliver to him a very clear message on the path forward.

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:10 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Mr. Speaker, I am sometimes surprised to hear the Conservatives' complaints about clean fuels, because those who advocate for the industry present these standards to us as beneficial to their sector. Similarly, industry representatives present carbon capture and sequestration, which is incredibly expensive, as beneficial to their sector.

I find it strange to hear Conservatives making such a fuss about this today, especially since it is clear that every time fuel taxes are cut, the industry increases its refining margins. This means we are leaving the industry with more room to absorb what could otherwise be passed on to consumers.

I would like to hear my colleague say a few words about the discrepancy between the Conservative Party's position and that of industry representatives.

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Mr. Speaker, I have to apologize. I may be a bit confused. I think the member referenced carbon sequestration. I did not reference that in my speech.

What I would like to make clear to the member is that our position with regard to the policy right now is that we need relief, fast, for Canadian consumers, and this is the fastest way to deliver relief to families that are struggling to put gas in the car and to put food on the table. I would always be more in favour of policies that reduce income taxes, for example, but families, right now, in this crisis, cannot afford to wait for a tax cut on income taxes now that they do not get to see the benefits of until they file their taxes in 2027. That is why we are putting this policy forward now. We need real relief, fast, and this policy does it.

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Speaker, we saw today, probably in an attempt to get ahead of the opposition, the announcement that was made this morning, which, as the member and others have remarked, is a half-measure and a short measure compared with all of the other ways in which the government makes fuel and other things more expensive for Canadians.

Today was an out-of-body experience with the government during question period, where the Liberals took credit for reducing the price of gasoline by, they said, 25¢. It is almost like they have no idea how the tax got there in the first place. The government has a demonstrated history of piling on the cost of fuel.

Does the member have any further comments about this?

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Mr. Speaker, quite often in question period, Liberal responses to questions provide someone with an out-of-body experience that befuddles the mind. Today was exceptional in that we had Liberal members, exactly as the member said, feigning ignorance as to how these taxes got to be at the level they are at. We then had Liberal members admitting that they support pipelines now, when they campaigned against them for 10 years. Other Liberal members, from Quebec, were saying that they were thrilled to get rid of the carbon tax, even though they supported it and campaigned for it for 10 years.

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:15 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

Order.

It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the questions to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment are as follows: the hon. member for Courtenay—Alberni, Persons with Disabilities; the hon. member for Kitchener South—Hespeler, Health; the hon. member for Yellowhead, Public Services and Procurement.

Resuming debate, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister.

Opposition Motion—Fuel TaxesBusiness of SupplyGovernment Orders

4:15 p.m.

Kings—Hants Nova Scotia

Liberal

Kody Blois LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister

Mr. Speaker, in my time in this place, being almost seven years now, I love opposition day motions. It is always a great privilege to rise in this place to bring the perspective of my constituents in Kings—Hants and engage on the opportunity that the opposition has, whether that be the Conservatives, the NDP or the Bloc, or I guess the Conservatives and the Bloc in this Parliament, to put forward its policy positions so that we are able to litigate the ideas of the opposition. Obviously, the job of the opposition is to hold the government to account, and we respect that, but I always enjoy this opportunity on opposition day motions.

Today is broadly about affordability. The Conservatives have listed a number of policy adjustments they would make, and there are some areas where we agree with the Conservatives and some areas where we do not agree. This gives me an opportunity to, first, talk about what the Prime Minister announced today. This is something I know the Conservatives support: the removal of the federal excise tax on gasoline, which represents 10¢ a litre. The Prime Minister announced that the government will be doing that from April 20 up to Labour Day. Essentially for four months, there will be a reprieve for Canadians across the board of 10¢ a litre. We think that is important.

We recognize what is happening right now in the Middle East with the war against Iran and the impact of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. It is creating affordability challenges for Canadians, and it will have consequences and cascading impacts over the next number of months. However, I was disappointed that the opposition day motion from the Conservative Party makes no mention of why Canadians are actually feeling higher price points around fuel. There is no mention of the fact that this is part of the global dynamic that we are dealing with. Yes, we have an opportunity to deal with what we can do to provide temporary relief to Canadians. We are going to take that opportunity. I know this will be welcome news in Kings—Hants and across the country. On that aspect, we agree.

The Conservatives have talked a lot about the fact that it should have been for 12 months. I would say that the government's response today is a responsible one. It gives clarity for the next four months, with the ability to extend. No one in this room, no one in this chamber and no one in this country has a crystal ball to see what is going to transpire over the next number of months. The government has taken an important step to provide some affordability relief for Canadians. Again, 10¢ a litre is important for people who are struggling to get by, and this is a measure that the government supports. We have implemented it for four months. We disagree that it has to be a 12-month removal at this moment. Let us see what happens in the days ahead. Obviously, we are hoping for a situation where we see the removal of the blockade at the Strait of Hormuz so that products can move back into the world market. We know that this will have important consequences for the global economy, including here in Canada. Again, there is not one single mention in the Conservative motion about the fact of the circumstances we are all dealing with at this point, but on that element, we agree.

I listened to my hon. colleague from Brandon—Souris, who just spoke, and the member for Stormont—Dundas—Glengarry before him. I would ask my honourable colleagues on the other side to consider this. My hon. colleague from Brandon—Souris, who just spoke, said that the government is not funding things that matter to his constituents. When we look at the GST in terms of the revenue the government collected, I think the words the Conservatives have used are that the Liberals are going to “pocket” that money instead of putting it “back in the pockets of Canadians”. I am all for affordability. It is important that we are empowering Canadians, but no, the Liberals are not pocketing that money. The revenues collected by the government support programs that matter to constituents in that member's riding, in my riding and in ridings across this House.

Do the Conservatives not recognize that when we introduced the Canada child benefit, it is supporting Canadians across the country, including in their own ridings? It is something I am proud of, because it was our government that actually changed the way in which we support young Canadians and families in this country. Before, the Conservative policy allowed individuals who made over $1 million to benefit from the government. I have nothing against individuals who are wealthy in this country, and we are proud of people who do well, but at the end of the day, I hope we would all agree that individuals who have an income of over $1 million a year probably do not need assistance from the government to raise their children. They have the means to do that. We actually created a program that targets the benefit on the basis of income so that there is equity in how individuals have the resources to raise their children and make sure they have healthy food and the ability to perhaps participate in sports or art programs. Again, the Conservatives are not recognizing that the GST helps fund that broadly.

How about national child care? In my own riding, I have seen the benefits of what this program represents in the way we have worked with the provinces and territories to build out additional access to care and additional spaces for our youth. That is an important public policy measure for young Canadians to get an important start in life, to be able to have the resources around them. We know that will have economic and intrinsic benefits for generations and decades to come. Again, there is no mention of the fact that the GST helps support the general revenue that the government pays into these programs that matter for affordability.

Beyond what it might mean to young Canadians, which is probably the most important point, the way we have been able to reduce the cost of child care across this country is a massive affordability measure. That is money back in people's pockets, too. Unfortunately, we never see members of His Majesty's loyal opposition talk about the fact that it is good public policy. In fact, the Conservatives have consistently voted against it. Their proposal today would actually remove the revenues that are supporting these types of government programs. It is a very short-sighted policy prescription and not how the government would move forward.

I have a lot of seniors in my riding. We were the government that augmented and increased old age security. It has been a number of years, but I will remind members that it was the Conservative Party that told seniors they were going to have to wait longer before they received the benefits for seniors in this country.

Again, through the GST, there is a program. These revenues are used to help support social programming across this country. There is no mention from the Conservative Party about the fact that this is the type of funding that the Conservatives would cut, which could have consequential impacts on social programs.

Our government is making generational investments in defence and infrastructure across the country. The Conservatives have voted in some elements of this. I will remind my constituents back home that, under the last Conservative government, when we had one in this country, defence spending dipped below 1% of the GDP. I am deeply proud of the Prime Minister and our team for getting it back up to 2%. We are going to continue to increase that, and that costs money. We are running deficits.

The irony of what the Conservatives are talking about today is that next week they will be talking about the idea that maybe some of the money that came into the government coffers should have been used to reduce the debt. We will wait until a week forward to see how that actually plays out, but again, the GST funds existing programs, and we are making decisions to put money back in the pockets of Canadians. It is important to make sure that we are being mindful of our fiscal context as well as continuing to not only support programs but also manage Canada's dynamic, while also being thoughtful of how we can make sure money is going back into the pockets of Canadians across the country.

I want to take some time to talk about the clean fuel standard. Members might have seen, and perhaps were interested in, my question to the member for Brandon—Souris when I talked about leaded fuel. It was Brian Mulroney's Progressive Conservative government, and we can talk about the differences I see in the current federal Conservative Party versus the old Progressive Conservative style of government that we used to see in the past, but it was under that government that there was a lot of emphasis on removing lead from fuel in Canada. This was not just Canada. There were other countries around the world doing this. The dynamic was that it led to better performance on an efficiency basis, but it was also an important environmental outcome, and people came to accept that this was smart public policy.

Here we are, a number of decades later. We do have work to do as a government. We think it is important that the government ought to reduce GHG emissions in this country. We have adjusted policy, and I support the Prime Minister wholeheartedly in that, but we think this is still important.

The Conservative platform for the last election did not have much to say with respect to this question, which is fine, but it did say that the Conservatives would spend taxpayers' dollars to try to further incentivize the reduction of GHG emissions in the country, so pardon me if I find it a bit hypocritical to have the Conservatives stand up to talk about policies for reducing emissions and driving cleaner fuel efficiency, just like leaded versus unleaded fuel in the Brian Mulroney government, and the cost of those. This is notwithstanding the fact that some of the principal beneficiaries under the clean fuel regulations are the farmers across this country who put in ethanol, whether from the canola dynamic in western Canada or corn farmers in eastern Canada. This actually supports farmers. The Conservatives like to beat their chest and talk about how much they love farmers, but respectfully, I have not heard a whole lot of intelligent public policy from the Conservative benches on this.

My question is, how would the Conservatives do it differently? I guess they would spend more taxpayer dollars to try to drive outcomes that were perhaps even less efficient. What happened to the idea of using the private sector and that private signals can drive the innovation outcome we want to see? I think it is important that we start to talk more about this in the country.

The Conservatives like to quote seven cents to 17¢, which is from a PBO report. If we talk to the obligated parties under the clean fuel standard, they will tell us that it is not as high as what the PBO has quoted, yet that is what the Conservatives continue to use in the House. If there is a one-cent, two-cent or three-cent impact, that money, that industrial benefit, is staying in this country, where it is supporting farmers. We are seeing investments in Alberta, for example in Strathcona, where there is an ability to use that blended renewable diesel to reduce emissions, and the actual intrinsic benefits are staying in this country.

We have a ton of Conservative MPs from Saskatchewan and Alberta. I was just in Calgary last week, with the Calgary Chamber of Commerce and the businesses there, talking about the importance of clean fuel regulations. I was dealing with farmers at the Calgary Stampede. They would talk to me about the importance of the clean fuel standard and biofuel policy in this country. I headed to Regina, where, again, real farmers in their communities were saying that this was absurd. The Conservatives love to say these are lobbyists, but, no, these are farmers.

I think it is important that both major parties start to get aligned in this public policy, because at the end of the day, all the Conservatives are doing is undermining a policy that reduces emissions in this country and has one of the key benefits to farm gate policy in western and eastern Canada, Quebec or Ontario. The Conservatives never mention that. They never talk about the fact that this comes back.

The Conservatives are suggesting that we get rid of the clean fuel standard, which in my mind, in 2026, is akin to saying that we should bring back leaded fuel, that we remove the ability to reasonably clean up our fuel to make it even more fuel efficient, reduce emissions and have an industrial benefit in this country, that we take all of that away. Let us take away the certainty that has built over time so that we have seen the industrial benefit build up in the country. Then, let us go a step further with industrial pricing and the largest obligated parties in the country, the largest emitters, for whom we have a policy to be able to work to incentivize reduced emissions and remove probably one of the most effective public policies.

I would remind them where industrial carbon pricing started in the country. It was in Alberta, under a Conservative government. It started these policies because it, operating under a different strain of conservatism, understood that this was important public policy to balance environmental progress and industrial competitiveness.

I have a question for the Conservatives. Hopefully, many of my colleagues find me to be a pragmatic sort in the House. I understand we have to balance competitiveness and the factors we have in place, but I would humbly suggest, where is their reasonable public policy? Is it to spend billions of dollars in their platform and have none of the other regulatory tools that can help drive industrial benefit? Then they would be talking out of both sides of their mouths, because they ought to tell Canadians about the true cost to them and what the tax increases would have to be to afford that level of public spending.

Why do the Conservatives not support a policy that is regulatory? If we talk to the obligated parties, they would tell us that it is not seven cents a litre, but even if it is two, three or four cents a litre, it is driving industrial benefits. It is driving jobs in this country. It is supporting farmers in this country. What do the hon. opposition and the Conservative Party stand for? I know it has been an interesting time for the Conservative Party over the last number of months, but I really hope that the members, for whom I have great respect, and I know some better than others, will take it upon themselves to challenge the leadership of the Conservative Party, because there needs to be more thoughtful public policy.

While I am on the topic of farmers and talking biofuel policy, which obviously is connected to the debate, and for which I have stood up in this House consistently, I remember the day to this moment. It was April 17, 2025. I was briefly the minister of agriculture in the Prime Minister's last government. We were at the Canadian Federation of Agriculture debate. I would humbly suggest that the Liberal Party of Canada had a more comprehensive plan for farmers in the last platform. We can talk about that and what we are doing.

I really respect the member for Foothills. He is a great guy and a great champion for Canadian agriculture. Sadly, he literally had nothing to work with. I know my hon. colleague from the B.C. interior will have to litigate that with the member for Foothills, but I like the guy. Sadly, he had nothing to work with, because the Conservative platform had nothing substantive for farmers, nothing on business risk management programs and nothing on the Canadian Agricultural Loans Act and how we can increase that. Those were things that we had. Their platform had nothing on AgriMarketing and what we are doing to support commodities.

The member for Brandon—Souris talked about expanding markets. I am proud to say that I was with the Prime Minister in January, and the Premier of Saskatchewan in September. I am proud that we have re-established seven billion dollars' worth of agricultural market access. Seafood in my neck of the woods in Atlantic Canada is deeply important, and that is back.

Respectfully, Conservatives need to open their eyes. This is what we are doing. By the way, I know the member knows that, because when I am in the communities in western Canada, they are recognizing it. People who by no means have been long-time supporters of the Liberal Party are saying that they like what they are seeing from the Prime Minister. They like what they are seeing from the government, but that to me is the dynamic.

Industrial carbon pricing is a policy where in many cases the provincial governments have taken on the responsibility of administering these programs and have the ability to move forward. Okay, that is great. Hypothetically, let us cut it all. Let us get rid of it all.

I guess the position of the Conservative Party is that we ought to just spend billions upon billions. Economists say that is the most ineffective way to drive the outcomes we may care about, where we do have to be mindful in a world right now where, frankly, on the public policy spectrum of what is important geopolitically, right now it is defence. Countries and people want to make sure that we have the sovereign capacity at home. We are focused on that. We want to make sure we are building an economically resilient country. We are focused on energy development. The government is committed to that. I can point to examples like Bay du Nord in Atlantic Canada.

By the way, I want to hear us talking more positively about the oil and gas sector in Atlantic Canada. These are some of the lowest-emission energy barrels, oil barrels, in the world. It can be done sustainably. There is an opportunity for that. Of course, we have to continue to drive emissions down. We have to continue to work on environmental outcomes, but this is a great Canadian success story. We talk a lot, and rightfully so, about the energy patch in Alberta and Saskatchewan. I am deeply proud as a Nova Scotian, and ultimately as a Canadian, about what that means, but we also have to talk about Atlantic Canada.

Again, I struggle to be able to identify what the Conservative vision is for the country, other than to just get rid of everything and get rid of some of the policy that is actually driving industrial benefit. Let us just take emissions right out of it. Let us just pretend we do not care about the environment whatsoever. This is actually industrial policy. This is about creating investments. Strathcona Resources has a multi-billion-dollar investment in Alberta. Conservatives want to create the policy uncertainty that would kill those types of investments.

The Conservative Party would like to do that, and I just struggle with it, so I appeal to my colleagues on the other side. I want to challenge the hon. member for Battle River—Crowfoot. I do not pretend to sit in the caucus meetings of the Conservative Party. I will have to try to get tidbits from other members to tell me what happens there, but I hope to God that they are challenging the member for Battle River—Crowfoot, notwithstanding that he represented Carleton in the last election. We are proud of our member for Carleton in this Parliament.

However, the member who now represents Battle River—Crowfoot does not have much for farmers. Again, the policy of the Conservative Party at this point for Canadian farmers is to get rid of the industrial carbon price and the clean fuel standard, which actually support farmers in Western Canada. I do not know what else there is. Conservatives do not talk about business risk management. They do not talk about intergenerational transfer of farm assets. They do not talk about the things that we can do to protect land in the country. I do not see any of that kind of stuff.

The member was standing there—

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An hon. member

Oh, oh!

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4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, it was the member for Brandon—Souris, but there was nothing in the Conservative platform. He is but one member. It is the leader of the official opposition who controls that caucus with an iron grip. I remember a time when there were more independent Conservative members of Parliament. We have seen the ones who have actually been independent. They have crossed the floor to join our team and be able to drive Canada forward. At the end of the day, we do not see anything in the platform.

I know I am getting a rise now. We know we are speaking truth in the House when the members look up from their computers. They are motivated by this speech. It is hitting a bit of a raw nerve, but at the end of the day, we have 10 minutes of questions. I will tell you, Mr. Speaker, that you should just recognize opposition members. I will ask the other members to stand down so we can have even more debate on this, but I know I have hit a nerve.

I know I have hit a nerve because I am speaking truth. I am speaking truth to where we are at. The member for Okanagan Lake West—South Kelowna is heckling. That is okay, though. That is good. I like to jeer him. I will give him credit. This is where I know we have agreement on the benefit of the Canadian—

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The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

We will have to continue with questions and comments to find that agreement.

The hon. member for London Fanshawe.

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Conservative

Kurt Holman Conservative London—Fanshawe, ON

Mr. Speaker, I stand proudly for the constituents of London—Fanshawe, and I feel wonderful representing them. I recently canvassed in London—Fanshawe and heard the same concerns about affordability, the cost of living and even the cost of groceries at the local grocery store.

The interesting part now is that as we are debating, the Liberal government proposes suspending some of the fuel taxes until September. The opposition, we Conservatives, offers a solution of suspending all fuel taxes to the end of 2026.

My question for the Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister is this. If their plan goes through, what do I tell the constituents of London—Fanshawe in October when the fuel taxes return and the cost of living goes up?

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Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member should tell his constituents that his own party's opposition day motion makes no recognition of what we are dealing with in the Middle East. He should tell his constituents back home in London—Fanshawe that the government has instituted a four-month excise tax freeze of about 10¢, which we know will be an important economic measure. He should tell his constituents in London—Fanshawe that the Conservative Party essentially stands for the return of putting leaded fuel in gas tanks. The Conservative Party is killing the policy and suggesting to stand against the clean fuel standard, which is good public policy to reduce emissions and supports farmers in southwestern Ontario; the member stands against that. Furthermore, although London—Fanshawe is a bit of a suburban riding, he should tell the people around in southwestern Ontario that the Conservative Party had absolutely nothing for Canadian farmers it its platform. I hope he encourages the member for Battle River—Crowfoot to rectify that in the days ahead.

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Liberal

Lori Idlout Liberal Nunavut, NU

Uqaqtittiji, I really appreciated my colleague's early observation about the omission in this motion about what is going on in our current geopolitical environment. He rightly pointed out that the Conservatives are great at disinformation, misinformation and really fearmongering in Canadian society. I wonder if he can share with us how this motion ignores this, by omission. What would he tell the followers who keep following the Conservatives and what the impact of that omission is on disinformation, misinformation and the policies we discuss in the House of Commons?

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4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, first of all, I thank the member for Nunavut for her work in the House. We are very pleased to welcome her to the government side of the House. I have already witnessed her contribution in caucus. We are going to really rely upon her voice to be a very key contributor and champion, particularly around Arctic security and Arctic sovereignty.

To be fair to her question, I do not have enough time, but I will say this. One thing that I know will matter to her constituents is we are proud of our 2% defence target spending. It had gone below 1% under the Conservatives, and we are spending billions of dollars to support Arctic security. I know the member will be a big part of that.

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4:35 p.m.

NDP

Gord Johns NDP Courtenay—Alberni, BC

Mr. Speaker, it was not that long ago that the leader of the official opposition was running on a campaign around axe the tax. He talked about how the sky was falling because of the carbon tax. What happened when the carbon tax was removed? Gas prices dropped for maybe a day or two then started increasing. What we have seen is gas prices skyrocketing. What is also skyrocketing is profits for big oil and gas.

Today, the Liberals adopted another Conservative policy. They removed the carbon tax. Now they have removed the fuel excise tax. If the big oil and gas companies continue to have skyrocketing profits and the price of fuel goes up despite the fact that they are removing this tax, will they finally implement an excess profit tax on big oil and gas?

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4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, I know the constituents of Courtenay—Alberni will certainly appreciate what the government is doing today in removing the federal excise of 10¢ a litre for the next four months. We recognize what is happening in the Middle East. We know that has an impact. We are proud of the work we have done to drive affordability, some of which that member was involved in during last Parliament.

The questions he asks are hypothetical. We do not know where we are at, necessarily, in terms of what is going to transpire in the next number of months. However, we are also working with energy companies across the country to be able to reinvest that profit that may materialize in the days ahead with projects like Pathways to be able to reduce emissions intensity in western Canada.

I am a little disappointed in the leadership results of the NDP, because we have someone who is actually suggesting we should stop energy production in western Canada. I was on the ground with Albertan NDP members recently, and I can tell the House they are not happy with the direction of the new NDP leader. Although I have deep respect for that hon. member, I do not know if the direction of the new NDP federal leader is in the interest of the country at a moment where I think we need serious leadership.

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Conservative

Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Crowfoot, AB

Mr. Speaker, many times in his speech and in comments after, this member seemed to be trying to equate the so-called clean fuel standard, as is their branding of it, with the removal of a toxin like lead from gasoline. It is an absurd comparison, and I would like him to really think about whether or not this is a proper comparison.

The other problem that came up in his speech is how he repeatedly referred to the fuel standard, the industrial carbon tax and a series of other policies that make life more expensive for Canadians as drivers of investment in industrial policy. The government chased $200 billion out of the energy industry in its first parliament. This is a government that has been destroying investment in energy in Canada and leaving us with a system of regulation and government support for industry. We should be just getting government out of the way and allowing this industry to receive investment so we can truly build Canadians' energy sovereignty.

I would ask him to comment on whether he really thinks the current clean fuel standard is the same as removing lead from gasoline.

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4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Kody Blois Liberal Kings—Hants, NS

Mr. Speaker, there is a lot there, and I hope I will be given room. First of all, oil and gas production went up 34% in the last 10 years. I take notice from the last government. I would have liked to see a more competitive lens in terms of how we drive the energy sector. We have that now in the Prime Minister. We have that now in the Minister of Energy and Natural Resources. They are working with the Government of Alberta. I have seen first-hand their work with the Government of Saskatchewan and others to drive Canada's energy sector.

To reply to the hon. member and the way in which he has framed it, I do think there is a comparison, because when we think about the removal of lead from gasoline, it was around an environmental imperative. I hope we would agree that there ought to be work done to fight climate change and to reduce emissions, and that there is a parallel between that and the work we are doing to make fuels cleaner in this country by using things such as ethanol blends from Canadian farmers, including in western provinces, including the prairies. I had the opportunity to talk to farmers directly about the fact that this biofuel policy not only is reducing emissions, creating better environmental outcomes, similar to removing lead from gasoline in the 1980s under the former progressive conservative government, but is also important public policy.

What I would respectfully ask the member back is, where is their plan? Their plan in April was to spend more taxpayer dollars to achieve less. How is that smart public policy on the Conservative side?