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  • His favourite word was finance.

Last in Parliament September 2007, as Bloc MP for Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot (Québec)

Won his last election, in 2006, with 56% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Duplication And Overlap September 21st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, earlier I heard the Prime Minister refer to the Conservatives. I now hear the Minister of Finance saying exactly the same thing he said about a year ago.

Mr. Speaker, I will put the question to the minister: What has he done for the past year, aside from conducting some pretty useless consultations, to cut operating expenditures? What has he done to eliminate overlap and duplication? What has he done to help the government make a sensible decision, which would be to decentralize all authority over manpower training to Quebec?

Eight hundred thousand unemployed individuals are waiting for this to happen. They are waiting for the glimmer of hope that the Minister of Finance and the government are certainly not giving them. So what has he done? That is my question.

Duplication And Overlap September 21st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, we now know that in five years, Canada has dropped from fourth to fourteenth place among the 24 OECD countries as far its competitive position is concerned, mainly because of the unprecedented extent of the federal debt, inefficient government policies that undermine job creation and, above all, the wasteful overlap in manpower training.

My question is directed to the Minister of Finance. Considering this disastrous state of affairs, what more will it take for the Minister of Finance to decide to make a move, act responsibly, eliminate the inefficiencies in federal spending and at last do something about duplication and overlap?

Public Finance September 20th, 1994

Instead of turning a blind eye as he has done so far, Mr. Speaker, will the minister finally commit today, before this House, to tabling an emergency action plan-because this is truly an emergency-to reduce operating expenditures in the federal administration by dealing as a matter of priority with tax leakage benefitting friends of the system and with the shameless squandering resulting from overlapping?

Public Finance September 20th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, the latest analyses of the Canadian financial situation are far from painting the rosy picture the Minister of Finance and his Prime Minister painted just a while ago. This year, the deficit will reach $40 billion, while the debt will approach $550 billion, jeopardizing both economic recovery and improved business competitiveness.

Does the Minister of Finance not agree that, in view of the sorry state of public finance in Canada, it is urgent, indeed extremely urgent, for the government to reduce drastically its operating expenditures instead of blindly relying on economic conditions and opportunistically reaping the meagre benefits as it has done recently?

Committees Of The House June 22nd, 1994

After his eloquent speech in which he criticized the Liberal majority report, a disgraceful report that sets out to mislead Quebecers and Canadians, I want to stress the outstanding work done by the hon. member for Témiscamingue, and also by the hon. member for Charlevoix, on the finance committee and in developing our own position, which is the only valid one at the present time, the only possible basis for negotiating with the provinces, since the biggest provinces have rejected the Liberal majority report out of hand.

Although the hon. member for Témiscamingue mentioned this briefly, it made me wonder when the parliamentary secretary said earlier that we were the only country in the world with ten different tax systems, perhaps I may remind him that the Liberal majority's proposal would introduce not only a GST but also a business transfer tax. We already have two tax systems, which, multiplied by ten different rates, ten rates that are different from one province to the next, will make us the only country in the world with a Liberal majority that proposes having twenty different tax systems instead of ten. So much for improvements.

Again, I wish to commend my colleagues on their excellent work in developing the position taken by the Bloc Quebecois.

Committees Of The House June 22nd, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I will very briefly answer the hon. member; what he said borders on the unparliamentary.

I would ask my colleague, one of the vice-chairmen of the finance committee, to read our minority report. We tabled a minority report, with our own resources. We had it translated into English at our own expense and we tabled it. We tabled our minority report in both official languages for the press conference two days ago. You were not able to provide us with this translation on time to analyse the preliminary copy of the report.

So I think that our colleague should not boast that he has not read our minority report, when it was in both official languages and translated by the Bloc Quebecois, because the government party did not deign to accommodate us, except if we appended our minority report to the committee's report. We exercised our free choice and chose to table it separately. I think that we made a good decision.

I would say, Mr. Speaker, that our alternative, if the hon. member would read our report, if he would be so gracious as to read our report as we have read the report of the Liberal majority several times, in English and in French, if he would read the minority report, he would see that the Bloc Quebecois is keeping the Prime Minister's promise to abolish the GST and transfer this field of taxation to the provinces.

We thus avoid two things: We avoid a sixth failure in constitutional negotiations between the federal government and the provinces. After the health forum, interprovincial trade and so on, we can add another failure because the Conservatives tried for two years to negotiate harmonization with the provinces, as the majority report proposes. So we avoid those frictions. We avoid three things. The second thing we avoid is continued duplication and overlap.

We give the government an opportunity to withdraw from certain spending fields in order to compensate for the transfer of the GST to the provinces. Thirdly, we are helping to clean up the mess that the government's finances are in. The Liberal members should thank us for the work we did, seriously, because it is the only alternative left at this time, after the many statements from provincial premiers and especially from great experts, and I am thinking of Yvon Cyrenne of Martin, Chabot, Paré & Associates, for example-

Committees Of The House June 22nd, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I intend to share my allotted time with the hon. member for Témiscamingue.

I welcome this opportunity to discuss the alternative to the existing Goods and Services Tax proposed by the Liberal Party of Canada. After spending $750,000 to find an alternative to the Goods and Services Tax, especially to get rid of the tax, as the Prime Minister has promised repeatedly, it is now clear that the Liberal government has failed miserably in the attempt. There are a number of reasons for this, but I will give you one fundamental reason and five more specific reasons.

First of all, for the price of $750,000, they took four quarters and gave us a loonie. It is disgraceful to use public funds to propose merely cosmetic changes. These changes will not abolish the GST, as the present Prime Minister promised to do and as all members of the Liberal Party promised to do as well, and they were very convincing as they rent a van full of garments. No, these proposals were just for a new GST which, according to the best scenario, will be similar to the old one and in the worst scenario will be more complex than the Goods and Services Tax.

In the end, and this is a monumental farce, after spending $750,000, Quebec and Canadian consumers will still be paying the Goods and Services Tax every time they make a purchase.

We object to this monumental farce for five basic reasons. First, in addition to the general argument I just made, the Liberal majority report proposes a GST alternative which is not an alternative. It is a hidden tax, and the report suggests the possibility of hypocritically and craftily making the new goods and services tax invisible as part of the price.

When they say we will be able to see the amount of the tax on the cash receipt, that is not quite true. The Liberal majority does not say so. It was explained during many discussions in committee that one could indicate at the bottom of the receipt that the total price paid by Quebec and Canadian consumers includes a goods and services tax, a despicable tax imposed by the Liberal government, a tax which may be 7, 10 or 12 per cent or whatever.

The Liberal majority's report opens the door to all kinds of insidious increases without the knowledge of Quebec and Canadian consumers.

The second basic reason why the Bloc Quebecois vehemently and strenuously objects to this Liberal majority report is that it could lead to a broadening of the tax base with a proposal to tax food, health care and drugs. When I heard the secretary of state say earlier that this was out of the question, and that this would have to be negotiated with the provinces, the Liberal government has always been planning to tax these three basic items, ever since the Finance Committee started work, and members on the committee would agree with that.

Subsequently, it was the Liberal majority that referred to taxing food, health care and drugs as a very realistic proposal. As my colleague from Témiscamingue indicated in his question, with the first level of taxation referred to earlier, that is to say the business transfer tax imposed on small business, it is practically impossible to exclude such items from the new taxation system laid out in the Liberal majority report.

I was listening to the secretary of state express earlier a great deal of compassion for the most disadvantaged members of our society. But this is the same man who fought to maintain the proposed cuts to the unemployment insurance program contained in the last Liberal budget. He fought to maintain this budget measure, using arguments that were fallacious and often demagogic.

I will tell him that there is no mention in this Liberal majority report of indexing the tax credit, the refund low income families receive. There is nothing about such an indexation while the Conservatives-whom the people across the way roundly criticized-at least planned to index the tax credit refund on the old GST. These people have no sensitivity, no compassion for the

disadvantaged and you can be sure that their proposal is not intended to help them.

Third, the alternative to the GST proposed in the report from the Liberal majority at the finance committee is an unprecedented centralizing attack on provincial areas of responsibility. This idea of negotiating with the provinces a uniform tax base for goods and services from coast to coast and of bringing this broader tax base to include food, drugs and health care within the scope of an act of Parliament would prevent provincial governments, and the Quebec government in particular, from adjusting tax rates and base to meet their economic objectives as well as their priorities respecting development, economic growth and assistance to any industry that may need it.

Let me recall certain measures the Quebec government has taken in the past to exempt the furniture industry and the clothing industry, child clothing in particular. With this Liberal majority proposal, if the government of Quebec or of any other province for that matter wanted to support these industries and help them pick up or help the less fortunate consumers go through hard times, it could not make the necessary adjustments to help the most disadvantaged members of our society. And that is totally unacceptable!

The fourth reason why the Bloc Quebecois disagrees with the insidious and pernicious report of the Liberal majority is that not only do they give us four quarters for a dollar, as I mentioned, but they make the consumption tax system incredibly complex by adding a small business transfer tax to a GST like the one we now have.

The Bloc Quebecois thinks that this new business transfer tax or BTT for short will be a real nightmare for businesses to administer-I will let my colleague from Témiscamingue who studied business administration explain these complexities to you-as a result of this second level of taxation introduced in the Liberal proposal.

We are told that when they started, the Liberals wanted to abolish the GST and replace it with a simpler system. In fact, they have just made the consumption tax system more complicated by introducing this second level of taxation called the business transfer tax.

The fifth fundamental reason why we are strongly opposed to this proposal, this systematic attempt to disguise the current GST, is that they cannot see the forest for the trees. Since the Standing Committee on Finance started its hearings on the GST, the Bloc Quebecois has been raising the need to review the whole Canadian tax system. We were told, as I heard the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance say last week, that in the past they tried to carry out such a review and failed.

But in the past Canada was not facing the severe difficulties it is now encountering. There was no $511 billion debt or record deficit either. I would tell you that it is the Liberals' second record because the first Liberal administration also set an annual deficit record for the federal government. The then Minister of Finance, who is now the Prime Minister, can claim credit for that record.

I would tell you that they tried without success to change the current GST, to abolish it and to replace it with a simpler system.

Not only have they failed in their attempt but they have made things even more difficult, not only for small and medium-sized businesses but also for consumers, who will not understand this system.

As soon as it was published, the report was destined to be shelved or else to be thrown out. Even the Prime Minister said yesterday that he did not feel bound by this report. He even said that he was dissociating himself from this report and I understand why. Several premiers of the larger provinces have spoken against this Liberal proposal.

So I look at all this and I also look at the Bloc Quebecois's proposal, if you will allow me to state it. The Bloc Quebecois has proposed a viable option, one that has a future and will not force us to negotiate with the provinces for two years and fail, as the Conservatives failed before the Liberals. We cannot harmonize in the way presented here, with unprecedented centralization of a consumption tax system. So the Bloc Quebecois's proposal is first to abolish the GST and keep the Prime Minister's promise and to give this field of taxation to the provinces, with an adjustment in federal spending, of course.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I look forward to receiving questions.

Goods And Services Tax June 21st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, the Bloc Quebecois's solution is simple: the Prime Minister should keep his word and abolish the GST.

Given the general indignation of the people, who feel deceived by the Liberal government, and the flat rejection by several provinces of this centralizing takeover, does the Prime Minister still intend to negotiate with the provinces on the basis of the Liberal report of the Standing Committee on Finance?

Goods And Services Tax June 21st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, the Liberal report on the GST proposes merging all provincial and federal consumption taxes into a single Canada-wide GST applied on a single tax base and managed by the federal government. Several provincial Premiers have already indicated that this centralizing proposal is totally unacceptable.

Given the rejection expressed by several provinces, including Ontario and Manitoba, does the Prime Minister not realize that his government's plan to integrate provincial sales taxes into the new hidden GST in an underhanded way is going to fail?

Goods And Services Tax June 21st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, even the Conservatives did not dare to tax food, health care or medicine.