Crucial Fact

  • His favourite word was friend.

Last in Parliament October 2000, as NDP MP for Kamloops (B.C.)

Lost his last election, in 2000, with 28% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Questions On The Order Paper November 6th, 1995

With respect to the government policy regarding the protection of workers from environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), ( a ) are there any estimates of the number of workers under the federal jurisdiction who are (i) exposed to ETS resulting from smoking where smoking is permitted, (ii) exposed to ETS resulting from smoking where smoking is not permitted, and if so, what are these estimates, ( b ) are workers who are exposed to ETS justified in quitting their jobs within the meaning of the Unemployment Insurance Act, and ( c ) since 1989, (i) have any inspections been made to ensure compliance with the Non-Smokers' Health Act, and if so, how many, (ii) have any tickets been issued pursuant to the Non-Smokers' Health Act and if so, how many?

Controlled Drugs And Substances Act October 30th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I have been here for a few years and I have heard the same comments time and again that in dealing with major problems facing our country this is a tiny baby step in the right direction.

This issue inflicts so much pain for so many people, for so many families, that not to do whatever possible to combat this is perhaps questionable in terms of our work here.

I do not take these slight steps in the right direction with much enthusiasm but I accept that what she is saying is accurate.

Controlled Drugs And Substances Act October 30th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the intervention by my hon. friend. I accept gratefully the comments he has made.

A number of major initiatives have been taken as a result of our relatively comprehensive drug strategy. Let us also acknowledge that as a result of the transfer payment reductions now being imposed on the provinces, many of the programs they have in place will have to be curtailed or abandoned as a result.

On one hand we might be expanding and on the other hand we are making it more difficult for provincial jurisdictions to continue their programs.

I quote the Prime Minister when he was the justice minister in Pierre Trudeau's government in 1980, referring to marijuana decriminalization: "It is our intention to bring about changes which will serve to lessen the severity of penalties for possession of this substance".

Granted my friend has said what is true, but in 1980. This legislation does not do that. It continues with the same penalties we have had in the past.

Controlled Drugs And Substances Act October 30th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the member's response to my latter issue and I accept what she says as being accurate. Disinformation was prevalent across the country and caused undue alarm to a lot people unnecessarily. I am pleased she has pointed out how that was dealt with. However, I do not accept quite so easily her latter comments that there has been a recommendation to have a broader approach to combating drug abuse in our country.

Perhaps the record will show that this is the crucible where critical debate takes place in Canada. This is the centre where government and on occasion opposition members through opposition days and perhaps even private members' initiatives bring forward the issues we feel are important. By and large, we acknowledge that the government sets the agenda for most of what goes on in this House. But I do not recall in all my years in Parliament ever having a debate on the fundamental causes of substance abuse in our country. In other words, yes, debate takes place on specific pieces of legislation, but I am talking about the fundamental causes of drug abuse, like poor housing opportunities, poor educational opportunities. We all know the causes, as opposed to the symptoms.

I appreciate what my hon. friend is saying. I do look forward to a time when we say to ourselves in this country that passing legislation, imposing stiffer sentences, and getting tough on drug dealers is only a small step to resolving the growing substance abuse in our country.

I was disturbed recently when I was attending a number of junior high schools in the constituency of Kamloops. After the formal talks and presentations I arranged a lunch get-together with students who were interested in talking about issues. In every high school concerned students raised the matter of drug abuse in their schools. These were junior high schools, not senior high schools. Their views were that large percentages of the students were becoming regular drug users, and of course cigarette use was leading this initiative.

As parliamentarians, all of us are concerned about this issue. Are we doing anything to come to grips with the fundamental causes of this growing use of drugs in our society? I think not. As a matter of fact, if I were going to be truthful with myself today I would say that we are taking a number of steps that will enhance drug abuse in the future, will make life more miserable for more Canadians, tougher for more Canadians, and will abandon more young people

as a result of policies that are being considered or brought forward in these times.

I appreciate the minister's intervention but perhaps in six months we will look at the record of Parliament and ask ourselves how much time we spent as elected representatives dealing with the fundamental causes of drug abuse in our country.

That is the way we will measure whether we are taking this seriously.

Controlled Drugs And Substances Act October 30th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I have listened to some excellent presentations today on Bill C-7, an act respecting the control of certain drugs, their precursors, and other substances and to amend certain other acts and repeal the Narcotic Control Act in consequence thereof.

On balance, I find myself in support of all the concerns raised. Members have pointed out some of the highlights of this legislation and its attractiveness. As the previous speaker has just mentioned, it is one step toward a healthier and safer tomorrow. On that there is no question.

However, it does pose a more fundamental issue. Yes, this bill takes some steps to fight drug dealers in their pushing of illicit drugs and illicit substances of all kinds. Some time or other we have to have a debate that asks why so many people, particularly young people, are attracted by these illicit substances. What is it about their lives and the way they view the world that makes abusive substances such an attractive option? What are the causes of drug abuse? What are the causes that enable drug dealers and drug pushers to make such lucrative incomes in our country? That is the debate that is absent here.

If we believe that passing legislation and getting tougher on drug dealers is going to solve this problem, we have to admit that it will not. Yes, indeed it is a step closer. Yes, we have to get tougher. I particularly like the section of the bill that refers to those traffickers and so on who are trafficking illicit substances in or near a school, on or near school grounds, or in or near any other public place usually frequented by persons under the age of 18 years.

To say that those convicted who have been pushing their illicit drugs in and around schools will obviously receive a harsher sentence is an excellent start. However, I do have to say that until we as a Parliament start addressing the fundamental causes of drug abuse we are not going to solve the problem. I do not think we want to feel too good about ourselves, that passing this legislation is going to be a major step toward the elimination or reduction of the use of illicit drugs. As the previous speaker said, and I think very accurately, it is a small step in the right direction.

I have two concerns about this legislation. One is the fact that once again we missed the opportunity to deal more effectively with marijuana and the use of marijuana. We all appreciate that this legislation began under the previous Mulroney administration and was brought forward by this administration with very few amendments at that point.

At that point one of the hopes a lot of people had, particularly those involved with the court system and with the real world of illicit drugs and substances on our streets, was the possibility that marijuana would not be listed in the same penalty class as heroin and cocaine, that perhaps now was the time to follow the call from the police and so on in terms of the decriminalization of this substance. I am not saying the legalization; I am talking about the decriminalization.

Alas, Bill C-7 continues the tradition of treating marijuana possession as a criminal offence. All of us have known probably on a personal basis friends and constituents who now possess criminal records for having had in their possession a small amount of marijuana. They are lumped into the same category in many cases with cocaine dealers and that problem element in our society. This was a missed opportunity.

I want to make a few comments about the herbal remedies that were once a major part of this legislation. It is fair to say that increasingly Canadians are turning away from traditional medical systems and sources to more natural ways. The herbalists are coming into their element and coming into their time. People realize that many of the substances we use in the traditional pharmaceutical way are in fact derivatives of natural substances. Increasingly today physicians will say that many Canadians are taking advantage of natural herbs to solve some of their medical problems.

The lobbying that went on by those involved in herbal medicine was quite astounding. I suspect all of us received numerous petitions and letters and visits from people who were concerned that this legislation in its previous state would have eliminated a whole set of possibilities that herbalists were using. I particularly refer as an example to Natural Way Herbs, headed up by Mr. Jim Strauss and his son, who led a tremendous campaign from the western part of Canada to point out to parliamentarians that many of the substances that were being eliminated under this legislation were in fact being used very successfully today to resolve people's medical problems.

I can say that I am aware in a personal way of dozens and dozens of people who found the traditional, if you like, medical approach to their illnesses and physical problems were failing and yet found the solution in the use of natural herbs. I thank Mr. Jim Strauss and his son, seventh generation herbalists, for the contribution they make to their community and their patients. As a result of much of this positive lobbying, the herbal remedies continue to be regulated by the Food and Drugs Act. That was a good change in this legislation.

I will leave it at that. It is appropriate that we get on with this legislation. For those two reasons, I will oppose the legislation. That is not to say that there are not a whole set of very positive elements in the legislation. I want to acknowledge that. But the hassle the natural herbalists experience today is partly as a result of lobbying by the traditional health care system and the international pharmaceutical companies. We have to be aware that there is a holistic approach to solving medical problems and that the natural way, the use of natural herbs, is one way. We ought to be taking more steps to encourage that, as opposed to hindering it.

Social Programs October 30th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is also for the Deputy Prime Minister and concerns integrity in government and particularly in this government.

The Deputy Prime Minister promised Canadians that if the hated GST was not abolished immediately that she would resign her seat. Why has the Deputy Prime Minister not resigned her seat?

Social Programs October 30th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Deputy Prime Minister.

I think it is fair to say that citizens in all provinces and territories today are concerned about what they hear of the government's plans to reduce the unemployment insurance program, reduce pension coverage, reduce health care funding, reduce post-secondary education funding, reduce support for all social programs and last, high interest rates and high unemployment levels.

Knowing that this is in place and these are the trends, why should Canadians in any province and territory today be hopeful about the future?

Government Policies October 30th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, the second anniversary of the Liberal government of course has now come and gone. Increasingly in the provinces and territories people are very concerned about the future. I wonder why.

The Prime Minister stated that he would tear up the FTA and would only sign NAFTA if major changes were made. No changes were made and the Prime Minister has become the strongest cheerleader of the NAFTA program down south.

The Liberals promised a new Bank of Canada policy. When they assumed office the rate was 4.3 per cent and today it is closer to 7 per cent. Canadians thought that the new policy meant lower interest rates, not higher ones.

The Liberals promised a national child care program. Instead they have cut funding for the existing child care programs across the country.

The Liberals promised to abolish the hated GST. Today the GST continues to be collected and the government now is thinking of only changing the name of the GST.

Looking at the future we see reduced UI payments, we see reduced pension coverage, we see reduced-

Small Business Loans Act October 26th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the question. Of course there needs to be more accountability built into the program. I would identify that as one of the continuing areas of concern with the community futures program.

In my estimation and my experience the value of the program depends on the personnel who manage it and the expertise of the individuals who decide who gets a loan and who does not.

In Kamloops we have had a very high success rate. But there will be losses, just as there are losses with bank loans and other kinds of loans. Even if there was a certain loan loss, it might be an indication of some success. The role of community futures seems to be to provide funding for those relatively high risk business ventures that cannot, for whatever reason, obtain funding from more traditional lending sources and therefore appeal for support from community futures boards.

If I may use this opportunity to mention a shortcoming of the existing system, it is that individuals who have submitted business plans and have what appear to be good business ideas and are encouraged to continue, but when they are rejected it often seems to be just luck. They are just rejected. The client walks away after spending many weeks or months preparing a thoughtful, careful business plan only to have dreams and hopes shattered. We must have a better system of appeal or a follow-up educational program to indicate to those men and women where they may be a little in error in their planning. This is another shortcoming.

Of all federal government programs of which I am personally aware and have some understanding of their use and value, this community futures program is far the best.

Small Business Loans Act October 26th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, we acknowledge that in the early days SBLA was intended to be a mechanism to provide encouragement for bankers to lend money to small businesses. In the same spirit, there is a new concern out there which the hon. member has described well. It may be an opportunity to encourage the banks to take advantage of the SBLA to provide necessary funding to these newly emerging group of entrepreneurs.

A mechanism is about to be put in place to track the lending of financial institutions and to see where the loans are going and to what extent the banks are responding to the new needs in society. It is a useful step.

It is time to look at new mechanisms and I will very briefly mention one. Some states in the United States had a vehicle called agri-bonds, that were somewhat like Canada Savings Bonds, to provide agricultural funding. These were set aside for agricultural use only. Farmers and ranchers were encouraged to invest in agri-bonds knowing that the money would go back to assist hard pressed farmers in their state. That is a bit of a generalization but it summarizes the point.

Troublesome areas, such as tourism related businesses, where it is difficult to find funding for new tourist related projects, should be identified. Could we not consider the development of a "toury" bond as opposed to an agri-bond? Investors would put their money into a toury bond, knowing that the money would go to help new Canadian hospitality related businesses to expand or be created. It would be a way to direct money to tourism, as opposed to the old favourite of much of the money, the RRSP, a certain percentage of which is being invested overseas or in other countries. I would like to see a little more channelling of some of these funds into troublesome areas such as tourist or hospitality related industries.

It is another idea on which my friend from Broadview-Greenwood could respond at some later time. The Canadian toury bond could be a take-off on the U.S. agri-bond.