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  • His favourite word was little.

Last in Parliament October 2000, as Reform MP for Cypress Hills—Grasslands (Saskatchewan)

Won his last election, in 1997, with 49% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Agriculture May 16th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, during the last five months I have received a number of complaints that FCC's agri-land division is manipulating land prices in my riding.

I provided the minister of agriculture with two specific examples in which to support my complaints I quoted recent sale prices for nearby land. In each instance I received a robotic ministerial reply stating, without any reference to my evidence, that agri-land does not engage in such practices. If the minister or his buddy Don Jackson make dogmatic statements, they are holy writ regardless of any contrary evidence.

With its huge land base, the FCC is in a better position than any conventional financial institution to raise the price of its asset base by manipulating the price of land. There has to be an investigation into this.

Government Expenditures May 14th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, CIDA makes contributions to universities, countries and international institutions. With all the deserving organizations in Canada and abroad it is a bit surprising that two Quebec universities received the two top bilateral contributions in 1995, with a combined value of over $42 million. That is a lot of pork.

Is CIDA still an international development agency or has it become a regional development agency to buy Liberal votes in Quebec?

Government Expenditures May 14th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, CIDA contracts over $100,000 require ministerial approval. CIDA's bidding process, approved by Treasury Board, requires that there be no regional partiality in contracting. However, 71 per cent of the dollar value of the top 20 service contracts signed in 1995 are going to entities in Quebec.

Can it be shown in the face of these numbers that CIDA is giving fair consideration to companies outside Quebec, or did regional distribution requirements acquire flexibility because of the 1995 referendum?

Privilege May 7th, 1996

Mr. Speaker, it was certainly not my intention to cast any aspersions on the good people of Halifax. I believe the hon. member for Halifax knew what I meant, particularly because she does use that word with regularity and great abandon.

However, it is an unparliamentary word and I do withdraw it.

Canadian Human Rights Act May 7th, 1996

How do you spell Halifax? B-I-G-O-T.

Canadian Human Rights Act May 7th, 1996

If the hon. member for Halifax really feels this is such excellent legislation we are running up to, I am gender neutral on this. I would not want to see a male heterosexual in charge of a girl guide troop either. This is the sort of thing which in the politically correct world of the folks opposite we would like to encourage; child molesters of the world unite.

It is clear to all where I stand. This bill is a travesty. It is wrong. We will oppose it at every possible turn. We are standing up for our constituents who oppose this mightily.

Canadian Human Rights Act May 7th, 1996

Madam Speaker, the justice minister would have us believe that his proposed legislation is merely a fuzzy, feel good statement with no potential economic or social cost.

He blithely assures us that the proposed amendment to the Canadian Human Rights Act will not open the door to same sex marriage, same sex spousal benefits, or the application of laws governing taxation and joint property.

Perhaps the hon. minister does not recognize the opinions of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada, which is a little out of character when one considers that it is his party which has already essentially transferred governance of the country from the

elected Parliament to the appointed Supreme Court. However, that is a subject for another debate.

Today, let us merely accept the reality that, to a very large extent, the court now calls the tune. In the Mossop case in 1993, Mr. Mossop was denied bereavement leave on the death of his homosexual partner's father because the partner did not fit the definition of common law spouse. Fair enough. However, the Chief Justice stated that if Parliament had included sexual orientation in the human rights act, the interpretation of family status might have been entirely different.

The minister is so defensive about the long term implications of this legislation that yesterday he circulated a lengthy paper in which he attempted through generalities and half-truths to discredit the detailed research done by the hon. member for Scarborough West and the research branch of the Library of Parliament. Methinks the minister doth protest too much.

This is hardly surprising when one considers that in March 1994 he stated categorically that the logical next step to amending the Canadian Human Rights Act would be to extend spousal benefits rights to same sex couples. If this bill is harmless window dressing, why is it being promoted through deviousness and deceit?

The minister makes much of the fact that although the capacity to marry is within federal jurisdiction, solemnization and registration of marriages is a provincial responsibility. He knows full well that the law is the sum total of statutes and precedents. To suggest that federal legislation will have no effect on provincial policies is absurd. To say that it would not accelerate the avalanche of regulatory board and lower court decisions in favour of same sex spousal benefits stretches the bounds of rationality.

Some of the oh so sophisticated and with-it members opposite might ask what difference does it make if a few hundred co-habiting homosexuals get spousal dental benefits? For one thing, it makes a lot of difference to me because it makes a lot of difference to my constituents.

Bill C-33 was tabled only nine days ago, but it has already ignited a firestorm of anger. The minister's strategy of pushing legislation through the House before real public opposition can develop has already failed.

Second, the payment of same sex benefits will add credibility to demands for state recognition of same sex marriage. These terribly sophisticated Liberals may then ask, what difference does it make if homosexual liaisons are classed as marriages? What does the collective wisdom of the ages mean to people who profess to know everything? What does it matter to them that the basic building block of almost every civilization of record has been the traditional family?

With minor variations, the definitions of those families would have conformed to the Reform Party definition of those individuals related by blood, marriage or adoption. Marriage is defined as the union of a man and a woman as recognized by the state, including common law relationships.

This is the definition that we would endorse with respect to the provision of spousal benefits for many federally funded or regulated programs. If the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation, surely the corollary is that the homosexuals of the nation have no business in the wallets of taxpayers of this country.

Where does one rationally draw the line with respect to benefits? What of the common practice of same sex heterosexuals living together for long periods of time for convenience and household economy? Should they be less entitled to consideration than their homosexual peers? Will the government have a squad of bedroom police to ensure that applicants really are engaging in the requisite practices?

The institutions of marriage and family developed over millennia and they have served civilization well. They have served the essential purpose of procreation and the nurturing of children. Strong family units are the foundation blocks of society. When they are weakened by hedonism society as a whole suffers. Anyone capable of learning from history should look at ancient Athens or ancient Rome.

It is impossible to extend special rights to any group without detracting from the rights of others. In this case the potential losers are children. The minister maintains this bill does not endanger children because pedophilia, even though technically a sexual orientation, is now a criminal act. I remind the minister that less than 30 years ago homosexual acts were illegal, and please observe where we are now.

However, assuming there is no danger of misapplication of the law, it should be obvious the proposed legislation will extend opportunities to potential molesters of whatever gender.

Would any member opposite really want to put his or her children at risk by forcing communities to accept, for example, male homosexuals as scout masters or homosexuals of any stripe as guidance counsellors? How many Mount Cashel types of disasters would it take to impress on these people that the defensive instincts of previous generations of parents were based on valid concerns?

Liberals like to prattle about their deep concern for children but they do not hesitate to expose them to potential trauma in order to bolster their ideological fantasies.

Make no mistake, I do not much care what adult homosexuals do in private. I do care a very great deal about children. I am a parent-

Canada Labour Code April 24th, 1996

Madam Speaker, will you rule on the request for unanimous consent to send the subject matter to committee?

Canada Labour Code April 24th, 1996

I will continue very briefly, in view of the refusal of some hon. members opposite to even consider having this bill debated. I did not at this time expect it to pass. I am really quite astonished that any government calling itself Liberal would oppose the protection of workers or oppose the effectiveness of the charter of rights of freedoms.

Hon. members opposite are all fully protected by their gold plated MP pension plans which ordinary working people governed by the Canada Labour Code cannot count on. I find this reprehensible. With that, I will end my remarks.

Canada Labour Code April 24th, 1996

moved that Bill C-219, an act to amend the Canada Labour Code (severance pay), be read the second time and referred to a committee.

Madam Speaker, it is an honour and pleasure to speak on my private member's Bill C-219.

The purpose of this bill is to remove from Part III of the Canada Labour Code that portion of section 235 which denies severance pay to employees who at the time they are terminated from employment are entitled to a pension under certain pension plans or legislation. Passage of this bill would end an injustice and would end the age discrimination which is now enshrined in the Canada Labour Code.

The Canada Labour Code governs the employment of 700,000 people in federally regulated industries, including transportation, telecommunications, grain handling and banking.

With the current wave of rationalizations, thousands of these workers are facing layoffs. Older workers are particularly vulnerable and workers entitled to a pension, even with reduced benefits based on early retirement, even reduced CPP benefits, are not eligible for any severance packages that their younger co-workers might receive.

Subsection 235.2(b), which this bill would rescind states:

An employer shall be deemed not to have terminated the employment of an employee where, either immediately on ceasing to be employed by the employer or before that time, the employee is entitled to a pension, under a pension plan contributed to by the employer-

In practice this means that if a company is laying off workers, it is not obliged to pay severance to older workers who are entitled to early withdrawal of pension benefits, even though they may be severely penalized for taking benefits before the normal pensionable age.

My interest in this subject arose from the misfortune of one of my constituents, Mr. Abe Peters of Swift Current, Saskatchewan, a 28-year employee of the now defunct trucking company, Motorways Limited. He was laid off along with hundreds of others on December 3, 1993. He was 58 years old at the time.

Employees were notified that they would receive the magnificent sum of two days' severance pay for each year of service. Someone should tell the Ontario public service workers about life in the real, cold hard world of federally regulated industries. In Mr. Peters' case, the severance package would have been $6,872.32.

Unfortunately, a second notice was delivered by way of the teamster's union to all employees aged 55 or over, advising that they would not be eligible for even that pittance because they were entitled to a pension under the Prairie Teamster's pension plan. A total of 240 employees were excluded from severance pay. The great majority had never expressed any desire to retire and few, if any of them, will ever be able to find work at their age within their field of occupation.

Mr. Peters and others vigorously protested their exclusion, first to the Great Lakes regional office of Labour Canada. The assigned inspector ruled that on the basis of subsection 235.2(b), their complaint against Motorways was unfounded because the hands of the bureaucrats were tied by the code.

An appeal was then filed on behalf of 133 of the plaintiffs and in January 1995, more than a year after the layoffs, Jack Chapman, QC, of Winnipeg was appointed referee. Mr. Chapman's 21-page judgment rendered on August 31, 1995 hinged on the premise that laid-off employees need not actively seek or apply for reduced pension benefits in order to be deemed eligible.

He did not explore, and was not asked to rule on, the issue of whether or not section 235 constitutes age discrimination under the charter. Mr. Chapman ruled:

There is absolutely no question that the primary legislation of concern to section 235(1) and (2) of division 11 of part III of the Canada Labour Code.

The scheme of this legislation is to provide for termination pay for employees who have completed 12 consecutive months of service. The legislation specifies the amount to be paid on termination.

Subsection 2(b) provides that an employer is not deemed to have terminated the employment of an employee where the employee is entitled to a pension. The purpose of the legislation appears to be to prevent an individual from receiving a double benefit, severance pay and a pension. The text of the legislation is simply whether the appellants were entitled to receive a pension. They were. Accordingly I confirm the decisions of the inspector and dismiss the appeal.

After losing his appeal Mr. Peters took a reduced pension at age 60. He lives on $487 a month and he feels cheated out of the $6,872.32 that he would have received had he been three years and some months younger. While it is too late to help him, I propose that other workers be protected in the future by passing Bill C-219.

Under the Canada Labour Code severance pay is a statutory right. Pensions on the other hand are a negotiated benefit paid for by the contributions of employers or workers or both. The two programs serve different needs and they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. They should not be traded off one for the other, nor should the two be considered a double benefit. It is a patently unfair situation.

Former Motorways employees under age 55 received severance pay and their accrued pension benefits were protected, while those 55 or over received neither their severance nor their full pension. If anyone received a double benefit, and I would vigorously argue

that nobody did, it would have been the younger workers who were able to receive severance pay and have their pensions vested. They had the option of leaving their pension funds in the plan or rolling them into RRSPs, a course of action which was not open to anyone over 55.

Older workers deserve the protection of the Canada Labour Code. Bill C-219 would replace section 235 with a simple clause that explains the circumstances deemed to be termination of employment.

It would also add a clause to section 236 which would explicitly make it clear that entitlement to a pension cannot be used as an excuse to deny an employee severance pay.

All over Canada statutes and regulations have been or are being changed to conform with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Age discrimination is no longer acceptable. Denial of a statutory right to someone purely on the basis of pension eligibility is in my opinion to deny it on the basis of age. Statutory rights are rights.

There are two issues here. The principal issue is that it is unjust and makes no sense to deprive an employee of severance pay just because he or she is entitled to a pension or some small portion of a pension bought and paid for by contributions unrelated to the severance package.

The second issue is whether people 55 years of age or older are of less value or are entitled to less legal protection than people age 54 years and 364 days. These two very important issues deserve to be fully debated in committee and in this House. I hope that such debate will ultimately lead to the passage of Bill C-219.

There are no Reform, Liberal, Bloc or NDP fingerprints on Bill C-219. It is a non-partisan, housekeeping measure to bring the Canada Labour Code up to date and to protect thousands of older workers who face layoffs as downsizing continues in the federally regulated industries.

Therefore at this time I beg the unanimous consent of the House to make Bill C-219 votable and have it sent to committee at the end of this debate.