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  • His favourite word was fact.

Last in Parliament March 2011, as Conservative MP for Kootenay—Columbia (B.C.)

Won his last election, in 2008, with 60% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Taxation March 13th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, that comment is really something else. The average person who goes to an automatic teller machine in Canada is not exactly a currency speculator.

The minister of human resources has stated on a number of occasions that the answer to our unemployment problem lies in information technologies. What does he think he is doing with comments like this? He is discouraging people who are looking at new information technology when he is talking about putting a toll gate on the information highway.

Taxation March 13th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, at the world summit on social development in Copenhagen last Thursday the minister of human resources spoke about his government slapping a tax on automatic teller machine use and an electronic information tax. Is the minister prepared to pop this trial balloon right now?

The Budget March 1st, 1995

Mr. Speaker, the rhetoric of my hon. colleague is reminiscent of what we ran into during the last election: the only politicians of virtue in Canada are Liberal federal politicians; the politicians in provinces are terrible people as well as anybody who is not a Liberal.

What is this? I do not understand. Perhaps it is just a case that members of that party have been in power for so long, have been building up the debt for so long, and have had the reins of government for so long that as we slide off the edge it has gone to their heads.

To answer the member very simply, if the government is not decreasing the amount of money available to social programs, is decreasing the cash transfers by $4.5 billion, and is not transferring the tax points to the provinces, how can the government possibly try to convince Canadians that it is not simply shifting the burden and that it is able to keep its false promise of being able to look after social programs?

The Budget March 1st, 1995

Mr. Speaker, the budget process has been most fascinating. For the first time in the history of Canada the people have become involved in the process. We had a member presently in the House say yesterday that Reformers were trying to create a tax revolt.

I for one-I can speak on behalf of all my colleagues-was invited to these events, as were many Liberal members who chose not to turn up because they were afraid. It is really interesting that in a small city in my constituency, the town of Golden with 2,371 households, four women I would like to name here today in one week got 2,500 signatures from those 2,371 households: Gert Shewchuk, Stephanie Braul, Cheryl Kofluk and Merle McKnight.

These are common, ordinary Canadian women who are concerned about their country. This was the kind of activity that was going on. This was the kind of involvement that Canadians were demonstrating in this process.

However, when we come to the budget where the government in its own cynical way-although over a three-year period-is taking over $3.5 billion out of Canadian taxpayers' pockets without raising individual income tax rates, it would appear as though the hard work of these women and many others who were involved in the tax protest was successful. When I woke up on the morning of the day following the budget I turned on the radio and was confronted with a song that might be familiar to some members in the House. It goes:

Bye, bye Miss American pie Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry and good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye saying this will be the day that I die This will be the day that I die.

That was the way I felt after I had an opportunity to take a look at the budget.

This is a budget of despair. This is a budget that is not straightforward by any form of measurement. This is a budget that is to have public debt charges increase from $38 billion to $51 billion.

Government members have the audacity to say that they are to protect social program when the largest single increase at 17.3 per cent is spending on funding the public debt. How can they say they are to protect social programs when they are increasing the spending on public debt by 17.3 per cent?

I took a look at their documents. They frequently say that they do not know what the facts are. I have the budget speech of the minister and I read on page 32 that personal income tax is to go up from $51.1 billion to $56.8 billion, to $60.4 billion, to $64.5 billion in a four-year period. Corporate tax is to go up from $9.8 billion to $13 billion, to $15.5 billion, to $16.3 billion. As a matter of fact gross budgetary revenues in the same period are to increase from $116 billion to $137.4 billion. These are numbers provided by the finance minister.

We do not have a revenue problem; we have an expenditure problem. It is so obvious it is just absolutely amazing.

Another interesting point on the expenditure side is that my colleague just referred to the fact that 45,000 civil servants are to be laid off over the next three-year period. He very clearly pointed out that the government was not elected to cut 45,000 civil servants. It was elected on the promise that civil servant jobs were to remain. That promise has been broken.

Furthermore business has also taken a hit in the budget. Business grants have dropped from $3.7 billion down to $1.9 billion. While the premiums remain constant, unemployment insurance payouts are to decrease from $17.6 billion to $15.3 billion, to $14.3 billion, to $13.7 billion.

There is more and more of a take because they are not to decrease the amount they are taking from the unemployed. They are to decrease the payouts and put $5 billion into a slush fund for themselves. There we have it: we have expenditure cuts and the inevitable social program cuts.

Why do I say this is a budget of despair? In spite of all the harsh medicine and in spite of the fact it will be reducing the total amount we are going into the hole by $10 billion, the government has permitted annual interest charges in the same period of time to increase by $10 billion.

In other words we are treading water. Rather than swimming and getting somewhere, we are treading water. I think of another verse of the song:

It's been 10 years I've been on my own and moss grows fat on a rolling stone.

It is a song of despair; it is a budget of despair.

We have to ask the following question. If we look at the cuts that have occurred to this point, where else is there to cut except in the social envelope in a responsible manner so that the people at the bottom end of the scale are protected? Where else is there to cut? There is no place else. In that respect the budget is not only a budget of despair. It is a budget of dishonesty.

We are taking a look at the fact that it is hidden within these documents. The downloading is where it is hidden. It is hidden because they are to combine the Canada Health Act with the Canada assistance plan and post-secondary education funding. They are to rename all those things the Canada social transfer and then they are to reduce it by $4.5 billion.

When it is transferred to the provinces and the $4.5 billion is removed we have a choice as Canadians. Either we downgrade health care, post-secondary education and the amount of funding for the Canada assistance plan, or we increase taxes at the provincial level. We cannot have it both ways. It is just that simple.

I asked myself, in listening to the budget debate, what was the problem here. Is there some difficulty in terms of understanding common ordinary English? I asked a question of the parliamentary secretary last night. His response was rather interesting. My question was exactly what I have been developing here. If we are increasing the amount we are spending from $38 billion to $51 billion in our debt service charge, where is the money to come from? That is a very valid question.

When I said that I do not see how the government could possibly do the job of continuing to fund social programs-and it keeps on saying that it is-his response as reported at page 10181 of Hansard was:

The Government of Canada will be able to keep its commitments and pay pensions to seniors.

The difference is that the Reform Party sees everything black; it is the end of the world.

No, it is just a little despair at this point.

The member acknowledged that we have made real cuts. We have a balanced budget in terms of real cuts and it will encourage economic growth.

When the documents say that we are to be overspending $32.7 billion, how in the world could the parliamentary secretary say: "We have a balanced budget?" Obviously he does not understand ordinary English. He said: "The deficit will disappear". By magic? He also said: "The deficit will be reduced by creating jobs". That was a promise in the last election. Obviously it is another promise they believe they can drop.

I close by quoting in despair:

I still remembered how I cried When I read about his widowed bride But something touched me deep inside The day the music died.

The Budget February 28th, 1995

Madam Speaker, to the secretary of state, I notice in the document provided by the government yesterday called the "Budget in Brief" there is a quote on page 14: "This government is absolutely committed to providing a fair and sustainable system of protection for Canada's seniors".

I wonder if he can help us understand something here. The government has just made, I grant, real cuts of $10 billion. The payment on interest in the time that this government has been in place has increased $10 billion which means that we are treading water. Interest charges are increasing at a rate of 17.3 per cent. The governments have let our Canada pension plan get into a position of being underfunded $487.5 billion on top of the $545 billion that we are in debt at the national level; in other words, over a trillion dollars.

Considering all this, I wonder if he would not agree with me that the words in "Budget in Brief" saying, to quote the finance minister, that come hell or high water we are going to look after our seniors are not just words.

If we are going in the hole that quickly with additional interest charges which is interest being paid on money that we have already borrowed, we are going backward so rapidly that in spite of this government's words we are not going to have the capacity to be able to look after our seniors.

The Budget February 28th, 1995

Madam Speaker, I would like to make my position very clear that I do not believe for a second that the people of Quebec, given the opportunity to vote in a referendum that is fairly put to the people, will vote in favour of separation. The member and I have a very substantial difference.

I want to put that on record because I would like to ask a question that would encompass both the possibility of her achieving her dream of Quebec separating and if not. In the issue of bringing education, hospital and the Canada assistance plan together under one roof and downloading as the Liberals are trying to do, at the same time removing $4.5 billion which means that if we are going to maintain the same level of service, which may or may not be necessary, the taxes would then have to go up at the provincial level.

If we can just set that aside, I would like to ask a question in terms of concept because she did raise the issue of national standards. If, as I have already stated, I reject categorically the concept of a separate Quebec but nonetheless if that should transpire, how would the people of Quebec be better off considering that there would be absolutely no national standards; in

other words there would be no joint jurisdiction between Quebec and Canada?

Second, if, as I believe is going to happen, Quebec people choose what is best for them and do stay in Canada, would Quebec and the provinces not be better off if they had the ability to raise the taxes? In other words, the federal government transfers the ability to tax the tax points to the provinces. If they were administering the programs, is that not really the fundamental problem that the BQ and the PQ are presently trying to do, to get more jurisdiction over the areas of health, welfare and post-secondary education?

The Budget February 28th, 1995

Madam Speaker, when I listen to many of the Liberal members I am reminded of Eliza Doolittle. She was getting very frustrated and she finally sang a song which I believe was "Words, words, words. I am so sick of words".

I listened to the member talk about the proposal where the government is proposing to combine the money it is transferring to the provinces for health and welfare and for post-secondary education into this Canada social transfer act, then magically make $4.5 billion disappear.

Members should know Reform made a proposal like that. However, when we talked about it, we were talking about transferring tax points, transferring the ability of the provinces to be able to fund these. This is simply downloading.

The difficulty with this plan is that the Canada Health Act and the Canada assistance plan are both etched in stone as far as the provinces are concerned. Therefore the entity under the Canada social transfer that literally goes begging with this $4.5 billion is post-secondary education. Post-secondary education simply disappears.

I have a very specific question for the member. Considering that members' pensions are such a monumental issue in the province of British Columbia, I know that her constituents, certainly all the people in British Columbia, would be interested to know if she intends to exercise her option of opting out of the members' pension plan, thereby showing the leadership that the people of Canada are looking for.

The Budget February 28th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, on a more serious note, the minister prides himself on being open. He does talk about a 1.5 cent per litre gasoline tax but surprise, surprise, there is a tax on this tax: the GST. Would he agree that this might be a tactic which would be considered deceitful by some Canadians?

The Budget February 28th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, hidden in the bowels of this Liberal budget are gas taxes, a 2 per cent interest increase on penalties, UI premium surplus revenues, and elimination of PUITTA transfers just to name a few. Does the minister admit that he is digging deeper and deeper into the pockets of middle income Canadians?

Petitions February 28th, 1995

Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to present to this House a petition containing approximately 3,900 signatures.

The petition is almost presented late because the petitioners pray and request that Parliament reduce government spending instead of increasing taxes and implement a taxpayer protection act to limit federal spending.

It is interesting that out of an area population in the town of Golden which only has 2,371 households, four women went around and collected 2,500 of the 3,900 signatures on this petition. There was a tremendous amount of pressure on the government. The reason I say it is almost presented late is that unfortunately, although the tax increases were limited, they were nonetheless there.