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  • His favourite word was fishery.

Last in Parliament March 2011, as Conservative MP for Delta—Richmond East (B.C.)

Won his last election, in 2008, with 56% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Points Of Order December 8th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I wish to bring to your attention a problem relating to order paper questions. The problem can be categorized as follows. The first issue I would like to raise is the issue of the length of the questions. The second is the number of questions allowed and the length of time taken by the government to answer the questions. The third matter has to do with a failure to receive factual answers.

Mr. Speaker, your experience in this House and your wisdom can be of guidance in these matters. I would appreciate your comments.

On October 28 I submitted a written question. It was a question dealing with how the Gladstone decision of the Supreme Court of Canada had affected the management of the spawn-on-kelp fishery on the north coast of British Columbia. It was a detailed question.

A very general question might have elicited some of the same information, but there is no guarantee of that. For example, I might have asked: “How did the Gladstone decision affect the management of the spawn-on-kelp fishery?” But I did not. My question had a number of sub-parts that attempted to get to the details of how the decision is now affecting the spawn-on-kelp fishery.

The detail of the question was developed in conjunction with several of my constituents who are in the spawn-on-kelp fishery. All parts of the question involved this issue. All sought details. None involved any other fishery. None involved any other court decision.

When the question was submitted, House staff refused to put the question on the order paper.

I was anxious to have the question put on the order paper as soon as possible because local fishermen believed the answers could assist them in making recommendations to the government on the management of the 1999 fishery which begins in March. However, staff found the question too long. They requested that it be divided into five separate questions. At the time I had one spot for a question on the order paper.

After meeting with staff I was told that if it were divided into three separate questions they would put it on the order paper. Obviously their decision was arbitrary. It was not based on the standing orders. They agreed that the issue of division into separate questions only arose because of the length of the question.

I was told by staff that prior to the rule changes emanating from the McGrath report in 1985 which addressed such matters I could have put my question on the order paper as 26 individual questions as there would have been no limit to the number of questions.

Now we have the worst of both worlds. We have a four question limitation, but without the government responding within the 45 day period contemplated by the new standing orders. Further we have House staff who feel empowered and emboldened to arbitrarily refuse to put questions on the order paper because they consider them too long. The standing orders do not provide staff with any guidance on the division of questions.

The present standing order on written questions is a product of the McGrath report which had recommended a limit of four questions, with a requirement that they be answered within 30 sitting days. McGrath would have given the Clerk of the House the power to reject outright or split into separate and distinct questions those that contained unrelated sub-questions. The power to “split into separate and distinct questions those questions that contain unrelated sub-questions” was not given to the Clerk of the House in the present standing order, nor did the standing order adopt a 30 day time limit, instead opting for a weaker 45 day limit that did not contain a requirement to respond within that period.

McGrath had called for a requirement that the government answer within the 30 day time period. The only guidance available to staff is found in the McGrath report, but in a section that was not adopted. If it had been adopted it would not have given staff the authority to divide my question because my question does not in any way contain unrelated sub-questions.

I am concerned that staff may believe it is their job to arbitrate between the needs of government to have easy questions and the needs of members to submit thorough and, on occasion, detailed questions to elicit a detailed and informative answer. If staff have fallen into such a trap, and I believe it is possible they have, then they are mistaken and must be extricated from this trap quickly.

If staff require the authority to divide questions recommended by McGrath, then the House ought to look at the whole set of McGrath recommendations on written questions and make the necessary changes. We set a dangerous precedent when staff believe it is their job to protect the government and limit members' right to put forward written questions in a way that is not authorized or contemplated by the standing orders.

Mr. Speaker, I would ask that you review my question to ensure that it complies with the standing order and to ensure that staff have not misinterpreted their role.

On the second matter, the standing orders of this House indicate that no member may have more than four written questions on the Notice Paper at any one time. When the standing orders were changed to limit the number of questions that may be placed on the Notice Paper, it was established that members could request that questions be answered within a fixed period, 45 days. Thus, limitations were placed both on the number of questions asked and the days that could elapse before an answer was tabled. A reasonable balance was established.

The four in 45 rule was never intended to prevent members from asking questions yet that is what is happening. This is a misuse of Standing Order 39. It is being used against members. It is being used to prevent them from asking questions. If answers are not tabled, the member is prevented from asking further questions.

The Library of Parliament has reviewed the time it has taken during this parliament for me to receive an answer to Order Paper questions. None of the 10 questions I placed on the Notice Paper during this parliament were answered within the 45 days contemplated by the standing order.

Question No. 16 was answered in 64 days, Question No. 19 in 58 days, Question No. 33 in 195 days, Question No. 51 in 151 days, Question No. 56 in 161 days, Question No. 91 in 194 days, Question No. 103 in 137 days and Question No. 119 in 69 days. Of the eight questions answered, it took an average of 129 days to receive an answer, about two and a half times as long as anticipated by the standing orders.

In addition, I have two unanswered questions on the Notice Paper, Question No. 132 which was asked on September 18, 1998, about 80 days ago, and Question No. 138 which was asked on September 24, 1998, over 75 days ago.

By refusing to answer my questions in the 45 days allotted by the standing orders, I have been prevented from asking questions due to the four question limit.

When questions are not answered in a timely fashion as anticipated by the standing orders, members are prevented from asking additional questions. I do not believe that was the intended outcome of the parliamentary reforms following the McGrath report.

The reforms as reflected in Standing Order 39 were intended to facilitate members in asking questions and in receiving replies. Instead we have a situation where my ability to ask questions is undermined.

If answers require more than 45 days, I believe it would be appropriate for the government House leader or the government member responsible for tabling the answers to stand at the end of 45 days and report to the House on the reason for failing to answer within 45 days and to indicate when an answer could be anticipated. This could be done within the existing standing orders.

Australia has a similar practice. Its standing orders provide that if a question has not been answered in 60 days, the member may request the Speaker to seek reasons from the minister concerned. The Australian practice seems to work. In the Australian parliament the overwhelming majority of questions are answered within 13 sitting days, according to the Library of Parliament.

In the United Kingdom parliament the standing orders do not limit the number of questions for written answers a member may place and members may specify the day on which they would like the question answered. Questions are normally answered within one working week.

Perhaps the most effective way of protecting the member's ability to place questions on the Notice Paper would be to exempt from the four question limit those questions that go unanswered after 45 days. Thus, members would not be prevented from asking further questions.

If the answers to their existing questions have not been tabled within the 45 day period anticipated by the standing orders, I think it appropriate that the House look to the standing orders of Great Britain and Australia with a view to incorporating the best of those systems and ours. Certainly, having questions answered within one week would be most welcome by all parliamentarians.

Finally on the last point, on March 27, 1998 I asked Question No. 91. The answer tabled for Question No. 91 for the most part is not factual.

Written answers are placed on the Notice Paper so that the members may get the facts on a particular matter. When the answer is signed and tabled by a minister, there is a reasonable expectation that the answer is accurate as far as the minister can ascertain.

For example, Question No. 91 involved the purchase in September and October 1992 of some 69,000 mefloquine tablets by the Canadian forces under the authority of the Lariam Safety Monitoring Study.

In Question No. 91(i) we find an answer that is obviously wrong. The response given to parliament said that in October 1994 the Department of Health first became aware through news reports alleging behaviour changes associated with the use of mefloquine—

Questions On The Order Paper December 7th, 1998

Madam Speaker, Question No. 132 was placed on the order paper on September 31 and Question No. 138 on September 24 and I am still waiting for answers. They are important answers because they have to do with the issue of a veteran's family being denied benefits.

I asked the Library of Parliament to do a study on order paper questions in Great Britain where the majority of questions are answered within a week. The situation we are facing, which my colleague and I have just raised, is absolutely scandalous.

Fisheries December 7th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I asked the fisheries minister a question and he did not answer it, so I will ask him again. Why was the minister's friend and largest campaign contributor allowed to kill 30,000 coho in a no-kill coho zone in the Queen Charlotte Islands last summer?

Fisheries December 7th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, last week I reminded the minister of fisheries of the north coast of the Queen Charlotte Islands and the designated no-kill zone for coho salmon by fisheries scientists. Yet he opened the sport fishery for his friends at Oak Bay Marine Group which killed in the neighbourhood of 30,000 coho.

Does no-kill to this minister mean that only his friends and campaign contributors can go fishing?

Fisheries December 2nd, 1998

Mr. Speaker, last summer fisheries scientists designated the north coast of the Queen Charlotte Islands as a no kill zone for coho salmon. Yet the minister of fisheries authorized a sport fishery for his friends at Oak Bay Marine Group which killed 30,000 coho.

What does no kill mean to the minister? Does it mean that only his friends and campaign contributors can go fishing?

Questions On The Order Paper November 25th, 1998

With regard to fishery protests conducted by commercial fishermen in British Columbia to protest the native-only commercial fishery on the Fraser River and at Port Alberni, for each of the years 1995, 1996, and 1997: ( a ) what were the costs of enforcement to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans in terms of manpower, equipment and other resources: ( b ) what were the costs of enforcement to other departments and agencies: and ( c ) what were the costs of prosecutions resulting from the protests?

Points Of Order November 18th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, some people in this House seem to be under the mistaken assumption that the 50 cent a carton donation is a tax or a levy. In my view it is not a tax, it is not a levy, it is merely a compulsory donation supporting a cause which I think is above reproach, that is, to discourage children from experimenting and becoming addicted to a totally foul and nasty drug. The intent of this bill is not to fill the pockets of the taxman.

In all seriousness, the issue of whether it is a tax or a levy is a grey area. I think that gives the Speaker some latitude when considering this. It certainly gives you some latitude in determining whether or not this bill is appropriate to come before the House.

I suggest, Mr. Speaker, that when you consider this you consider the fact, as you have said many times, that you are a servant of the House and the members of this place. I believe that the will exists on both sides of the House to see that this issue is brought forward and debated in full. I ask you to take that into consideration.

I think it unseemly that the government should attempt to prevent the introduction of this bill through a technicality. It is time that we did something for our kids. I would like to see this bill brought forward quickly for debate.

Questions On The Order Paper November 18th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

I have three questions. Question No. 119 was asked on September 17. Question No. 132 was asked on September 21. Question No. 138 was asked on September 24. Time has gone by and I have had no response.

Two of those questions have to do with the government's use of the drug mefloquine and the fact that a veteran's family has been denied pension benefits because it has not been provided with the necessary information to support its case. Some of that information should be forthcoming from these questions. I would like to know when I will get them answered.

Petitions November 18th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present a petition today from citizens of Delta who wish to draw the attention of the House to their concerns with Bill C-68.

They would like to see the hundreds of millions of tax dollars that are wasted on licensing redirected to putting more police on the streets.

Canada Small Business Financing Act November 17th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, it gives me a great deal of pleasure to address the issue of the availability of financing for small business which would otherwise not have access to financing.

The reason I am pleased to speak to the issue is that it gives me an opportunity to advance the notion, as my colleagues have done, that the problem facing business today is not so much the availability of financing as it is the management of business and the high taxes that businesses must endure.

I will give an example of what I mean to talk about. About a year ago I received a phone call from a fisherman back home, a gentleman whom I did not know at that time. He had been a long time participant in the fishing industry but was concerned about his ability to pay his bills that year, especially the mortgage on his boat. He had suffered from a poor catch and poor prices in the 1997 season. To his knowledge he had tried every opportunity or every avenue for financing that he could. Some help was needed. He wanted to know if I had any advice for him.

I gave him some directions on some of the lenders of last resort I know, some of which were government agencies. I suggested that he try his luck at finding alternate financing for his vessel. He phoned me back a few weeks later and said that he had been successful. He had managed to renegotiate a loan and felt that he would be off the hook and able to survive another year. He was quite pleased with that.

I obtained a call from that same gentleman a couple of months ago after the conclusion of the 1998 fishing season, which was a disaster in British Columbia. Again the request from this individual was for help. He needed alternate financing for his vessel. Otherwise he would lose it. I told him that I had given him the best information last year. If he cannot survive on that there is not much I can do. The problem is not in the fishery itself but in the management of the fishery.

Let us take a look at what happened last summer and consider some of the causes for the concern of the gentleman. On June 19, 1998 the Department of Fisheries and Oceans issued a backgrounder on the management of the fishery in British Columbia.

The problem last year which the minister expressed endlessly and with some accuracy was a concern about the viability of coho salmon, in particular coho salmon on the upper Skeena River and on the Thompson River. In an effort to minimize catch opportunities, the minister proposed dividing the coast into yellow zones and red zones. I will just read what he said on yellow zones in the backgrounder:

In the yellow zones, recreational fishing will proceed as usual except all coho must be released.... Barbless hooks must be used when salmon fishing.

Fishing opportunities will be available in the areas they gave.

Red zones were described as areas where there would be no fishing. Let me read what he said about red zones:

—red zones are areas where upper Skeena and Thompson coho are expected to be prevalent.

In red zone areas salmon fishing will be restricted but opportunities will remain for all other finfish and shellfish harvesting. Within the red zone small nearshore areas will be open to carefully monitor fishing salmon in order to determine if selective fishing for salmon other than coho can be conducted with the objective of zero mortality for the stocks of concern. Monitoring by independent observers will be employed to evaluate the ability to avoid encounters of coho. If coho are encountered in these small experimental areas, the fishery will be moved or closed. The location and times of experimental fisheries were set out.

The backgrounder went on to identify area one on the north coast including offshore areas. From June 16 to August 26 the waters of area one were closed to salmon fishing except for the nearshore areas from the entrance of Masset Inlet to Langara Island and a three-quarter mile ribbon around the island.

According to the original documents presented by DFO scientists that whole area on the north coast was considered a red zone. It is an area where coho were prevalent.

In fact, in one area just off the northern part of the Queen Charlotte Islands there is a point called Coho Point. That point was not named because of a lack of coho. It was called Coho Point because that was an area of some coho prevalence when the fish were running. That area in the rejigged management scheme allowed for sport fishing only. It is an area, interestingly enough, where the Oak Bay Marine Group operates a large fishing lodge. There are a couple of other lodges that operate in that area as well.

It seems to me and it seems to many other people that the big problem here was not a matter of trying to protect coho, but a matter of trying to provide some sport fishing opportunity for those people who are rich enough to be able to afford to attend these lodges. It had nothing to do with protecting fish.

This preference did not stop there. The department decided that it would promote sport fishing in that area. It says in this same release that Fisheries and Oceans Canada is working with the Canadian Tourism Commission, the Sport Fishing Institute and Tourism B.C. to develop tourism and a marketing campaign aimed at encouraging recreational fishermen to come to British Columbia. It says that the CTC, the Canadian Tourism Commission, has already committed funding of $350,000 for this project and further federal support is expected shortly. That further federal support did come and it was in the amount of several million dollars.

In a sense we should not complain too much. It is federal money that is designed to help promote British Columbia business. But let us go back a minute. How is that money going to help the small boat owner who came to me in 1997 and said he could not afford to make the mortgage payments on his boat? How is it going to help that fellow one year later when he came to me and said “Can you help me? Can you find funding for me again?” It will not to do him any good.

The fishing records in that area show that the interception of coho by the commercial fleet in 1997 was minimal. It was something like 1,000 fish for the whole season. But we have on record that day after day probably close to 900 coho were killed in this barbless hook sport fishery in that area. To me that is a great problem.

It points to another shortcoming of the federal government. The British Columbia job protection commissioner, in talking about the problems facing the commercial industry, recommended to fisheries management that some effort be made to promote the marketing of B.C. salmon. That is most appropriate because this fall there were opportunities to fish chum salmon, but there were no buyers. Fishermen were prepared to go fishing, but nobody was prepared to buy the fish. That is pretty sad because that is a top quality food product which was allowed to go unharvested because there were no markets.

In fact the federal government has made no effort to market commercially caught salmon in British Columbia. That has to be seen as a huge problem for the fishing industry and it is one problem that is not going to be addressed simply by making more loans available. Making more loans available in the commercial industry at this time is only going to drive people into the poorhouse further and faster.