House of Commons Hansard #168 of the 36th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was agency.

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PrivilegeOral Question Period

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Nault Liberal Kenora—Rainy River, ON

Mr. Speaker, the debate was basically about the level of decorum in the House and that I was personally insulted as a friend of Mr. Young that people would be making that kind of allegation.

Yesterday I came into my place in good faith as an hon. member and said that if I had offended anybody with the fact that I am a little bit aggressive, and I think everybody would admit that, then I apologize.

Now we are back here because, wanting to get some cheap media hits, they come back into the House and suggest that I am basically running at them when in fact I am not. I have said it once and I am not about to say it again. I made it very clear yesterday that I apologized if they were offended by the fact that I had a difference of opinion with them.

PrivilegeOral Question Period

3:10 p.m.

The Speaker

Here we have in the House one hon. member saying that another hon. member said something to him. We have the other hon. member giving his version of what went on. They are both hon. members of parliament. They are both giving their views as to something that transpired. I have to accept both hon. members' words that this is indeed what transpired.

I rule there is no point of privilege in this case.

PrivilegeOral Question Period

3:10 p.m.

Bloc

Yvan Loubier Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC

Mr. Speaker, in spite of the matter of privilege I raised in the House on December 3 concerning leaked committee documents, in particular the one that occurred on December 2 concerning the report on the pre-budgetary consultations of the Standing Committee on Finance, I must unfortunately again today submit to you another case of contempt for the House.

This morning's Le Droit and Ottawa Citizen gave the key recommendations in the report of the Standing Committee on Finance on the future of the Canadian financial services sector. This is the sixth committee report leaked in the past two weeks and, in the case of the Standing Committee on Finance, the second leak in five days.

Once again, I must remind you that this disclosure betrays the spirit and the letter that must guide us in the tabling of committee reports. It is also an affront to democracy, which suffers from the lack of dissenting opinions by the opposition parties, implying unanimity or unconditional support for the government positions reflected by the members of the Liberal majority on committee.

This action shakes the faith of all parliamentarians of all parties who agree to abide by the rules of confidentiality and the parliamentary traditions based on the honour and dignity incumbent on them through their public responsibility and democratic mandate.

Need I remind you that this action diminishes parliamentary privilege, interferes with the work of the Standing Committee on Finance and does not augur well for the future, creating a climate of distrust that is both unproductive and discouraging. There is no doubt that this leak constitutes contempt of the House.

Allow me once again to quote from Maingot's parliamentary procedures, chapter 12, at page 240, on the definition of contempt:

Any act or omission which obstructs or impedes either House of Parliament in the performance of its functions, or which obstructs or impedes any Member or officer of such House in the discharge of his parliamentary duty, or which has a tendency, directly or indirectly to produce such results may be treated as a contempt even though there is no precedent for the offence.

Mr. Speaker, on December 3, at the time of the first leak by the Liberal majority on the Standing Committee on Finance, you ruled that there had been contempt, and you asked the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs to submit its recommendations post haste so that there would be no recurrence. I am very grateful for your response and wish you to know that you have our support.

But on December 3 you also said that you did not have the power to curtail this sort of thing immediately because, in the case then before us, no member of parliament could be identified, charged and sanctioned for leaking in-camera proceedings of the Standing Committee on Finance.

The case that concerns us today is different. In the article by Éric Beauchesne, on page A-1 of the Ottawa Citizen , two MPs who are members of the Standing Committee on Finance are quoted, the Liberal member for Niagara Falls and the Progressive Conservative member for Kings—Hants.

The article quotes the member for Niagara Falls, who explains the difference between the Liberal caucus report and the report of the Standing Committee on Finance, as follows:

“There is a difference. I cannot tie the hands of business, but as a representative of consumers I think that if banks need to merge there ought to be some conditions”.

For his part, the member for Kings—Hants was critical of the fact that Liberal members could support both their caucus report and contrary proposals in the report of the Standing Committee on Finance, and I quote:

“What this basically indicates is, they didn't know what they signed onto on the Liberal task force and then probably don't know what they are signing onto now”.

Moreover, the member for Kings—Hants disclosed the content of the Conservatives' dissenting opinion before that opinion was tabled in the House, along with the committee report.

In so doing, the two members confirmed the content of the leak and commented on the in camera discussions of committee members.

I therefore accuse the Liberal member for Niagara Falls and the Conservative member for Kings—Hants of showing contempt for the House by releasing and discussing the content of the report of the Standing Committee on Finance, before that report was tabled in the House of Commons on Thursday, along with the dissenting opinions.

This contempt is all the more serious and disturbing since these two members, along with the other members of the finance committee, supported a motion which I moved yesterday morning in committee, seconded by the hon. member for Sherbrooke, stipulating:

That the members of the Standing Committee on Finance solemnly pledge on their honour not to disclose or discuss the content of the committee report on the future of the financial sector before its tabling in the House, including the dissenting opinions of the opposition, as the case may be.

As Victor Hugo said “There are people who observe the rules of honour the way we observe the stars, from very far”.

Mr. Speaker, I very respectfully submit this to your attention. If you find there is a prima facie case of contempt for the House in these disclosures by the member for Niagara Falls and the member for Kings-Hants, I am prepared to move in the House a motion that would allow the Committee on Procedure and House Affairs to investigate the matter.

PrivilegeOral Question Period

3:20 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Kilger Liberal Stormont—Dundas, ON

Mr. Speaker, following the comments by the member for Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot concerning the number of days we unfortunately have had repeated and frequent leaks, I would like to mention that on every occasion the government House leader rose and joined members from other parties in condemning these outrageous leaks we have witnessed, particularly these past few weeks. It is a real hemorrhage.

With regard to the serious problem affecting every one of us working here in a climate of mutual respect, dignity and honour, we are ready, Mr. Speaker, to cooperate with you and members from the other parties in the House to solve it.

I share the concerns expressed by the member for Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot concerning these leaks. However, I would not go as far as accusing any particular member. I am not familiar enough with the issue to make such accusations, but I met briefly with the chairman of the Standing Committee on Finance, who agrees with us and finds this unacceptable.

It is really more than unfortunate. It is totally unacceptable that we find ourselves in this situation once more today. I think we have to commit ourselves to finding a solution to this problem as soon as we come back after the winter recess.

PrivilegeOral Question Period

3:20 p.m.

The Speaker

Things are different today since the hon. member for Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot named two members of this House. Before I rule on this particular matter, I want to wait for the members named by the hon. member for Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot to be in the House and tell us what happened. After I hear them, I will make a ruling.

PrivilegeOral Question Period

3:20 p.m.

Reform

Monte Solberg Reform Medicine Hat, AB

Mr. Speaker, I did send a note saying that I would like to speak to this question of privilege if I could.

PrivilegeOral Question Period

3:20 p.m.

The Speaker

I would prefer that we continue the question of privilege after I have heard from the two members who have been named. I will then enjoin any member who wants to add to it. No one is deprived from speaking to this.

PrivilegeOral Question Period

3:20 p.m.

Reform

Randy White Reform Langley—Abbotsford, BC

Mr. Speaker, further to that, in fairness to members who have not spoken, could you give us some notice when these members will be in the House on this issue so we can address—

PrivilegeOral Question Period

3:20 p.m.

The Speaker

When I know the hon. member will know.

I am addressing myself to my hon. colleague who gave me notice that he was going to bring up a point of order which will take a few minutes. We are going to listen to it.

I am going to absent myself from the chair. My hon. colleague will listen to the point of order and we will have discussions on what transpired in the House and the points made by you and any other hon. member who may wish to intervene on this point of order.

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

December 8th, 1998 / 3:25 p.m.

Reform

John Cummins Reform Delta—South Richmond, BC

Mr. Speaker, I wish to bring to your attention a problem relating to order paper questions. The problem can be categorized as follows. The first issue I would like to raise is the issue of the length of the questions. The second is the number of questions allowed and the length of time taken by the government to answer the questions. The third matter has to do with a failure to receive factual answers.

Mr. Speaker, your experience in this House and your wisdom can be of guidance in these matters. I would appreciate your comments.

On October 28 I submitted a written question. It was a question dealing with how the Gladstone decision of the Supreme Court of Canada had affected the management of the spawn-on-kelp fishery on the north coast of British Columbia. It was a detailed question.

A very general question might have elicited some of the same information, but there is no guarantee of that. For example, I might have asked: “How did the Gladstone decision affect the management of the spawn-on-kelp fishery?” But I did not. My question had a number of sub-parts that attempted to get to the details of how the decision is now affecting the spawn-on-kelp fishery.

The detail of the question was developed in conjunction with several of my constituents who are in the spawn-on-kelp fishery. All parts of the question involved this issue. All sought details. None involved any other fishery. None involved any other court decision.

When the question was submitted, House staff refused to put the question on the order paper.

I was anxious to have the question put on the order paper as soon as possible because local fishermen believed the answers could assist them in making recommendations to the government on the management of the 1999 fishery which begins in March. However, staff found the question too long. They requested that it be divided into five separate questions. At the time I had one spot for a question on the order paper.

After meeting with staff I was told that if it were divided into three separate questions they would put it on the order paper. Obviously their decision was arbitrary. It was not based on the standing orders. They agreed that the issue of division into separate questions only arose because of the length of the question.

I was told by staff that prior to the rule changes emanating from the McGrath report in 1985 which addressed such matters I could have put my question on the order paper as 26 individual questions as there would have been no limit to the number of questions.

Now we have the worst of both worlds. We have a four question limitation, but without the government responding within the 45 day period contemplated by the new standing orders. Further we have House staff who feel empowered and emboldened to arbitrarily refuse to put questions on the order paper because they consider them too long. The standing orders do not provide staff with any guidance on the division of questions.

The present standing order on written questions is a product of the McGrath report which had recommended a limit of four questions, with a requirement that they be answered within 30 sitting days. McGrath would have given the Clerk of the House the power to reject outright or split into separate and distinct questions those that contained unrelated sub-questions. The power to “split into separate and distinct questions those questions that contain unrelated sub-questions” was not given to the Clerk of the House in the present standing order, nor did the standing order adopt a 30 day time limit, instead opting for a weaker 45 day limit that did not contain a requirement to respond within that period.

McGrath had called for a requirement that the government answer within the 30 day time period. The only guidance available to staff is found in the McGrath report, but in a section that was not adopted. If it had been adopted it would not have given staff the authority to divide my question because my question does not in any way contain unrelated sub-questions.

I am concerned that staff may believe it is their job to arbitrate between the needs of government to have easy questions and the needs of members to submit thorough and, on occasion, detailed questions to elicit a detailed and informative answer. If staff have fallen into such a trap, and I believe it is possible they have, then they are mistaken and must be extricated from this trap quickly.

If staff require the authority to divide questions recommended by McGrath, then the House ought to look at the whole set of McGrath recommendations on written questions and make the necessary changes. We set a dangerous precedent when staff believe it is their job to protect the government and limit members' right to put forward written questions in a way that is not authorized or contemplated by the standing orders.

Mr. Speaker, I would ask that you review my question to ensure that it complies with the standing order and to ensure that staff have not misinterpreted their role.

On the second matter, the standing orders of this House indicate that no member may have more than four written questions on the Notice Paper at any one time. When the standing orders were changed to limit the number of questions that may be placed on the Notice Paper, it was established that members could request that questions be answered within a fixed period, 45 days. Thus, limitations were placed both on the number of questions asked and the days that could elapse before an answer was tabled. A reasonable balance was established.

The four in 45 rule was never intended to prevent members from asking questions yet that is what is happening. This is a misuse of Standing Order 39. It is being used against members. It is being used to prevent them from asking questions. If answers are not tabled, the member is prevented from asking further questions.

The Library of Parliament has reviewed the time it has taken during this parliament for me to receive an answer to Order Paper questions. None of the 10 questions I placed on the Notice Paper during this parliament were answered within the 45 days contemplated by the standing order.

Question No. 16 was answered in 64 days, Question No. 19 in 58 days, Question No. 33 in 195 days, Question No. 51 in 151 days, Question No. 56 in 161 days, Question No. 91 in 194 days, Question No. 103 in 137 days and Question No. 119 in 69 days. Of the eight questions answered, it took an average of 129 days to receive an answer, about two and a half times as long as anticipated by the standing orders.

In addition, I have two unanswered questions on the Notice Paper, Question No. 132 which was asked on September 18, 1998, about 80 days ago, and Question No. 138 which was asked on September 24, 1998, over 75 days ago.

By refusing to answer my questions in the 45 days allotted by the standing orders, I have been prevented from asking questions due to the four question limit.

When questions are not answered in a timely fashion as anticipated by the standing orders, members are prevented from asking additional questions. I do not believe that was the intended outcome of the parliamentary reforms following the McGrath report.

The reforms as reflected in Standing Order 39 were intended to facilitate members in asking questions and in receiving replies. Instead we have a situation where my ability to ask questions is undermined.

If answers require more than 45 days, I believe it would be appropriate for the government House leader or the government member responsible for tabling the answers to stand at the end of 45 days and report to the House on the reason for failing to answer within 45 days and to indicate when an answer could be anticipated. This could be done within the existing standing orders.

Australia has a similar practice. Its standing orders provide that if a question has not been answered in 60 days, the member may request the Speaker to seek reasons from the minister concerned. The Australian practice seems to work. In the Australian parliament the overwhelming majority of questions are answered within 13 sitting days, according to the Library of Parliament.

In the United Kingdom parliament the standing orders do not limit the number of questions for written answers a member may place and members may specify the day on which they would like the question answered. Questions are normally answered within one working week.

Perhaps the most effective way of protecting the member's ability to place questions on the Notice Paper would be to exempt from the four question limit those questions that go unanswered after 45 days. Thus, members would not be prevented from asking further questions.

If the answers to their existing questions have not been tabled within the 45 day period anticipated by the standing orders, I think it appropriate that the House look to the standing orders of Great Britain and Australia with a view to incorporating the best of those systems and ours. Certainly, having questions answered within one week would be most welcome by all parliamentarians.

Finally on the last point, on March 27, 1998 I asked Question No. 91. The answer tabled for Question No. 91 for the most part is not factual.

Written answers are placed on the Notice Paper so that the members may get the facts on a particular matter. When the answer is signed and tabled by a minister, there is a reasonable expectation that the answer is accurate as far as the minister can ascertain.

For example, Question No. 91 involved the purchase in September and October 1992 of some 69,000 mefloquine tablets by the Canadian forces under the authority of the Lariam Safety Monitoring Study.

In Question No. 91(i) we find an answer that is obviously wrong. The response given to parliament said that in October 1994 the Department of Health first became aware through news reports alleging behaviour changes associated with the use of mefloquine—

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

3:35 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

If the hon. member for Delta—South Richmond would allow, I think we cannot get too far down this particular road. There seems to be a number of different questions and the hon. member for Delta—South Richmond is not the first member to stand and address the fact that it seemingly takes forever to get a response to a written question.

I do find it my responsibility and prerogative to defend the clerk and the office of the clerk and point out very clearly that the clerks and the people working for parliament work for parliament. They do not work for one party or another. They do not act as standard bearers for the government. They have a specific job that is mandated to them to make sure that the questions are in a form that may be responded to.

Whether or not a written response to a written question received by a member is factual is a question of debate. What we cannot do on this point of order is to provide licence for a member to take issue with the response that was provided by the government. If there is another way, perhaps in another question, certainly that is a point of debate.

Having provided this intervention, we will go back on the point of order of the member for Delta—South Richmond.

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

3:35 p.m.

Reform

John Cummins Reform Delta—South Richmond, BC

Mr. Speaker, I do not want to get into a debate with you on the issue at this point, but I would like it if you would hear me out on this matter of the factual answer to the question. I think it is important. I have a suggestion at the end which I think is reasonable.

I was talking about Question No. 91(i) and I will take it up from approximately where I left off. I talked about the response given to parliament and the fact that news reports were alleging behaviour associated with the use of mefloquine by Canadian forces personnel in Somalia as presented by defence counsel in well publicized court martial and the Somalia Inquiry.

The response sounds plausible until we give it a careful reading. Defence counsel did not use mefloquine as a defence in any of the court martial events. The office of the judge advocate general confirmed with my office that mefloquine was not raised by defence counsel.

Further, the Library of Parliament reviewed the coverage of mefloquine and found that in 1994—

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

3:35 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

Let us stick to the point of order. The point of order is to the length of time it takes to get a response to a written question and whether or not the clerk has any position to change or anything to do with the length of the question or the complex nature of the question.

The response to a question right now at this time is debate. If the hon. member for Delta—South Richmond takes exception to the response to the question that he submitted, that is an entirely different kettle of fish. It is totally different and that is debate.

If the hon. member for Delta—South Richmond wants to close on the original point of order which had to do with the length of time it took to get a response and the fact that the question that was placed was particularly complex and had to be broken down, fine. But we are not going to continue the debate upon the merits of the response of the government.

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

3:40 p.m.

Reform

John Cummins Reform Delta—South Richmond, BC

Mr. Speaker, I said at the outset that there were three issues I had concern with. They are related. They have to do with the issue of Order Paper questions.

The first item I wanted to address was the length of the question. As I indicated quite clearly, in my view there is nothing in the standing orders that limits the length of the question. To tell me on one occasion to come on in and we will divide the question up into five parts and then after we have a conversation three parts is good enough, suggests to me that there is something arbitrary at work here. It is not following any set prescription by the rules of order. That was the first item I wanted to raise.

The second item was the number of questions allowed and the length of time taken by the government to answer. As I indicated, what is happening is that we are well over the 100 days on average to get some of these questions answered. For some of them it is taking almost 200 days. That prevents me from doing my job because there is a limit on the number of questions.

The third issue is related and it is the factual nature of responses. This is of concern. I am not suggesting for a moment that there is an intent on the other side to provide me with information which is not factual. What I would suggest is that somebody on the ministerial staff is not taking the care to ensure that the job is done properly.

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

3:40 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

The point is made by the hon. member for Delta—South Richmond on the three separate, distinct issues.

For the interest of members, Standing Order 39(2) reads:

The Clerk of the House, acting for the Speaker, shall have full authority to ensure that coherent and concise questions are placed on the Notice Paper in accordance with the practices of the House, and may, on behalf of the Speaker, order certain questions to be posed separately.

It is right there in the standing orders. We accept your point.

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

3:40 p.m.

Reform

Randy White Reform Langley—Abbotsford, BC

Mr. Speaker, I will be brief on this issue. I would suggest that the Speaker not enter into debate on this issue but give rulings on it.

Today on the Order Paper, there are several questions with at least five parts, and a number of longer questions. The member for Delta—South Richmond and the member for Calgary Centre have questions with 10 parts. The question of the member for Madawaska—Restigouche weighs in at 11 parts. Without any clear guidelines, I suppose I could pick apart here in the House these long questions and make the argument that they are 10 or 11 separate questions. We just cannot put a number on the parts to a question and cut it off there.

I take it that guidelines are imposed to these questions but it is not clear what those guidelines are. I think that is what we are dealing with here. I will read Standing Order 39 which you began to do in my stead, Mr. Speaker.

Standing Order 39(2) says:

The Clerk of the House, acting for the Speaker, shall have full authority to ensure that coherent and concise questions are placed on the Notice Paper in accordance with the practices of the House, and may, on behalf of the Speaker, order certain questions to be posed separately.

The only reference in the standing orders to separating questions is that the clerk has the authority to do so. Nothing more, nothing less. I am not blaming the clerk. We have charged him with this responsibility without giving him the detailed guidelines.

The standing orders also have a provision whereby the government is required to answer the questions within 45 days. While that 45 day guideline is clear, the government does not have to obey it, which is the big problem I am sure members opposite have.

The rules governing questions were established in the 33rd Parliament. Unfortunately the members in that parliament struck a bad deal with the government. In exchange for the restrictions on the number of questions a member could submit to the government, the government promised to answer the questions within 45 days. The problem is that the members are forced to uphold their end of the bargain but the government is not.

This is the same sort of deal the government made with respect to Standing Order 73. The government asked that the motion to refer a bill to committee before second reading be automatically time allocated to 180 minutes in exchange for more flexibility in the type of amendments to be proposed in committee.

In practice the government gets its time allocation guaranteed in the standing orders, but the acceptability of amendments is no better than before. In some cases it is worse because the government began to take advantage of the fast-tracking mechanism of this process and started to send controversial bills to committee before second reading.

Finally, in questionable cases regarding order paper questions the member should be given the benefit of the doubt. The government does not need any favours since the rules overwhelmingly favour it to begin with. If you are going to impose strict restrictions on members with respect to the length of questions, Mr. Speaker, then I hope you impose the 45 day requirement for the government to answer those questions.

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Bill Blaikie NDP Winnipeg—Transcona, MB

Mr. Speaker, I welcome the opportunity to intervene on this point of order. The hon. member for Delta—South Richmond does the House a service by raising this and by being persistent in raising it. I recall speaking to a similar point of order not so long ago.

I was vice-chair of the McGrath committee and, therefore, in some way responsible for this rule whereby members of parliament can only put four questions on the order paper in return for the prompt answering of those questions within 45 days. We actually recommended 30 days, but what eventually came out of it was 45 days. The idea was that in return for limiting the number of questions there would be a prompt answering.

Other parliaments answer within 13 days or within other periods of time which are much shorter than is the rule here. It is not just a question of confidence, it is also a question of respect for the rules of the House of Commons and for members of parliament.

One of the reasons people want to be members of parliament is so they can put questions to the government and get answers. If we put questions and cannot get answers, if it takes as long for us to get answers as anybody else, then what is the point of being a member of parliament? We are no different than anyone else outside the Chamber. We get elected to this place so that we might have access to information and to answers from the government that other people do not have because they are not elected to this place. To leave the answering of these questions for so long, the government shows a disrespect for members of parliament and for the rules of the House of Commons. It is just not good enough to keep getting up and saying that this question cannot be answered and that question cannot be answered.

It is part of the general malaise. The government does not respect the standing orders. It does not answer questions. People leak committee reports. The Speaker stands up to try to get order. People keep on yapping and yelling. What is going on around here, Mr. Speaker? It is not just Christmas. There is a general malaise of systemic disrespect for the rules that we put in place.

The government makes announcements. It does not even go across to the press gallery. Now it goes all the way to Edmonton to make announcements about a national youth job strategy. We have complained about the government showing disrespect for the House. This is all part of the same piece.

I would like to support the member in his point of order. He has made some helpful suggestions by noting practices that are established in other parliaments which put us to shame, both collectively and put the government to shame in terms of the amount of time it takes to answer questions.

The other point the member makes is that if our questions are not answered we cannot ask more questions. If the government is going to persist in not answering questions, then I think the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs or some other body should look at other means by which members can continue to put questions on the order paper.

But then we would really be back to the old system. If members can put more than four questions on the order paper because the four that they have already put on have not been answered in the 45 day period, then the government will say “Oh well, they are happy. They got their questions on the order paper. They have eight or nine questions, so we will take longer to answer them”.

That is one of the dangers in that particular suggestion. In the absence of the government actually answering the questions, it becomes a way of restricting a member's right to ask further questions.

That is all I have to say on the matter. But I urge you, Mr. Speaker, when you discuss this point of order with your colleague, to make some helpful suggestions and to indicate very strongly that there is an obligation on the part of the government to respect the standing orders of the House of Commons.

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

3:50 p.m.

Peterborough Ontario

Liberal

Peter Adams LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, I listened very carefully to the remarks of members opposite. I would like to confirm that the member for Delta—South Richmond has been persistent on this matter. He does take a great interest in the questions which he has tabled.

However, I was very disappointed by the remarks having to do with the interpretation of the existing standing orders. There was some criticism of the existing standing orders. Mr. Speaker, I think you picked up on this. I do not think it is appropriate to bring in staff and have them use their best efforts to interpret the standing orders which have been set by this House. I hope that when you give some thought to this matter you discount those particular remarks of the member. In fact, in his second intervention he gave some indication that that was not what he meant. The standing orders exist. He has some criticism of them. It is the job of staff to interpret them. They have to interpret with respect to criteria. One criterion is length. The member has addressed that. As well, the government House leader gave the Speaker some other information on that point.

The number of questions has also been addressed. Again the staff do their best to address the length and number of questions.

Then there is the question of the 45 day time limit. When I last looked, a few days ago, the government had received upwards of 200 standing questions. It has answered close to three out of four of those questions. With respect to the 45 day limit, when I last looked, somewhere around 12% or 13% of the questions have not been answered within the 45 day limit. Those are the facts.

Sometimes members, such as this member who has a great interest in and uses this method very systematically, can put down questions which might involved detailed consultation with every federal department. That is quite different than answering a question which involves going to one of our departments, getting a response and coming back to the House of Commons. Therefore, this relatively small percentage of questions which take longer than 45 days to answer are questions which have a complication of some sort.

Another thing concerns me. We heard the opposition House leader speaking a moment ago. You will recall, Mr. Speaker, that earlier this year we had the required review, a full-scale debate in the House on our standing orders. If this thing has been ticking like this, the way to deal with it is not to get up and attack the staff, it is to get up and deal with the House of Commons and the standing orders. I do not recall—and I could be wrong—in a full day of debate earlier this year this particular standing order being raised or these matters being raised. Perhaps the member has a case, but there is a way in which that case can be made.

The Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs has been mentioned. It is our standing committee which is responsible for the standing orders. Again, without getting up and attacking the staff of the House, it is possible for any member to write to the chair of that committee to raise concerns about either the standing order or about ways in which the standing orders are being interpreted by the staff, if the member has particular views.

Mr. Speaker, I hope that you will take these points into account when you consider the member's point of order.

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

3:55 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

As the Speaker indicated earlier, he will be taking into account all sides of the argument and some of the historical arguments that were raised previously, which I know from being a chair occupant have been raised from time to time. The Speaker will get back to the House in due course.

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

3:55 p.m.

Reform

John Cummins Reform Delta—South Richmond, BC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to clarify a point. I do not think I was attacking the staff. To suggest that is to deflect criticism away from the issue.

The issue is that when we do not define a rule carefully, then the staff are put in the position of having to make a judgment call, and that is not fair. It is not fair to them and it is not fair to us to have to debate with them about a particular issue that we may feel strongly about.

Points Of OrderOral Question Period

3:55 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

The point of the hon. member is well made and I am sure the staff take comfort in the fact that that was not the intent of your intervention.

Business Of The HouseOral Question Period

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Kilger Liberal Stormont—Dundas, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I would give my assurance to the House that there have been deliberations with representatives of all parties and the member for New Brunswick Southwest regarding the taking of a division on Bill C-302 which is scheduled for the conclusion of Private Members' Business on Wednesday, December 9, 1998. I believe you would find consent for the following:

That at the conclusion of the debate on Bill C-302, Wednesday, December 9, 1998, the question shall be deemed put, a recorded division deemed requested and deferred until the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders on Tuesday, February 2, 1999.

Business Of The HouseOral Question Period

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

The House has heard the motion presented by the chief government whip. Is it the pleasure of the House to give unanimous consent to the chief government whip to move the motion?

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Some hon. members

Agreed.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

Is it the pleasure of the House to accept the motion as presented by the chief government whip?