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  • His favourite word was aboriginal.

Last in Parliament October 2015, as Conservative MP for Vancouver Island North (B.C.)

Lost his last election, in 2015, with 28% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Softwood Lumber October 4th, 2001

Mr. Chairman, I have a couple of quick comments. First, the official opposition is very aware of the events of September 11. Although we did not ask questions on this file we certainly made statements in the House.

I would also like to point out that the minister is accepting into his rhetoric some revisionist history in terms of the consumer groups in the U.S. and how they were actually the main architects, long before the minister even started working with them on some of the congressional support we got in the U.S.

I would also like to point out that Indonesia seems to have more leverage than Canada when it comes to forest products. That should be of some concern to all of us.

My question is, have there been some specific developments from the three days of talks in Washington which the minister could announce today? Is that yet to come or is it just that the talks have concluded and there is nothing of note for us to take home?

Softwood Lumber October 4th, 2001

Mr. Chairman, I agree with the member. We would not want to impose these in the long term. I was simply suggesting that as long as a lumber tariff there, which I would like to see gone, it is only appropriate to have a similar tariff on logs.

Softwood Lumber October 4th, 2001

Mr. Chairman, on the issue of raw log exports, I think the member was referring specifically to British Columbia which is the one jurisdiction we have where this is a contentious topic.

What I have endorsed is British Columbia, with federal authority, imposing a border tax equivalent to the 19.3% countervailing tariff imposed by the U.S. It would level the playing field in terms of whether the exports are lumber or logs. Some of the industry in British Columbia has determined that this is a good idea also.

Softwood Lumber October 4th, 2001

Mr. Chairman, when it comes to linkage, I think what is clear to everyone is that what is linked is our two economies. Any restrictions on softwood lumber are detrimental to both economies. The consumer movement in the U.S. recognizes it, the Bush administration recognizes it and obviously Canadians recognize it.

A vastly greater number of jobs in the U.S. are related to the lumber consuming business rather than to the lumber producing industry. Both of our economies are somewhat fragile, particularly after the events of September 11. As housing starts are a big part of that, it is crucial that lumber flow freely in order to maintain those levels of housing starts.

Softwood Lumber October 4th, 2001

moved:

That this Committee take note of the softwood lumber industry.

Mr. Chairman, does the minister not speak ahead of me? I ask because we have had three days of meetings in Washington this week and I understand there may be late breaking developments. I do not want to find that whatever I might say is pre-empted by more recent events. That is the only reason I ask if the minister would like to precede me. I am pleased that the minister and others in the House are interested in hearing what I have to say.

We have had two other debates in the House since we came back on September 17. One was about the airline situation, an obvious area of priority. The other was about the situation on the prairies, another obvious area of concern.

Anyone who suggests softwood lumber is not a major concern in Canada would be incorrect. As of today in British Columbia alone somewhere in the order of 15,000 workers have been laid off. Estimates are that 30,000 may be laid off by the end of the year. On a national basis 40,000 to 50,000 people could be laid off at either end. Obviously this is an unhealthy situation for workers, their families, their communities and their employers.

If free trade in lumber between Canada and the U.S. cannot triumph over protectionist U.S. legislation, Canada and the U.S. will both be losers. The Government of Canada must take this situation with the utmost seriousness. So far its track record is not good.

I will offer some solutions, but a bit of background is in order first. Until March of this year, the same month the quota driven and detrimental five year softwood arrangement expired, the government had no publicly enunciated direction on softwood. When it finally adopted the free trade position the Canadian Alliance had been promoting for months, we were encouraged by its action.

At a time when there is every reason for optimism about achieving free trade in lumber there needs to be strong representation from the Prime Minister. There is no sign that this is happening in a real sense.

We have had several optimistic signs from the U.S. administration. On September 20, U.S. trade representative Robert Zoellick wrote an important piece in the Washington Post called “Countering Terror with Trade”. I will quote a couple of statements from the article:

Our nation has drawn together in shock, mourning and defiance. Now we must thrust forward the values that define us against our adversary: openness, peaceful exchange, democracy, the rule of law, compassion and tolerance. Economic strength--at home and abroad--is the foundation of America's hard and soft power...To that end, U.S. leadership in promoting the international economic and trading system is vital. Trade is about more than economic efficiency. It promotes the values at the heart of this protracted struggle.

Zoellick went on to say:

Congress, working with the Bush administration, has an opportunity to shape history by raising the flag of American economic leadership.

With the stroke of a pen the Bush administration removed tariffs on some of the products of its trading partners to solidify the coalition against terrorism. Indonesia had duties removed from plywood exports to the tune of about $200 million per year. This demonstrates what is possible.

On Monday of this week the American Consumers For Affordable Homes, who represent 95% of lumber consumption in the United States, wrote to President Bush and asked him to reverse the commerce department's preliminary countervail duty of 19.3%.

The American Consumers For Affordable Homes organization has consistently promoted free trade in lumber. It represents many more jobs in the U.S. and represents the consumer interests as opposed to the U.S. lumber lobby.

With these series of events and with senior Bush administration officials and U.S. federal reserve chairman Alan Greenspan all promoting free trade and suggesting that U.S. protectionist legislation is counterproductive, the stage is set for a push by the Prime Minister to break through and appeal directly to President Bush to set aside the CVD determination imposing a 19.3% duty on Canadian lumber.

The American consumer group pointed out to the president this week the importance of a strong housing sector in a fragile economy and that U.S. gross domestic product growth could be reduced by 15% to 30% because of the 19.3% tariff.

What is concerning me today is that we are hearing, as a consequence of talks going on in Washington, that there may be an arrangement whereby these talks have actually turned into negotiations which have strayed from the free trade path and have now taken us into an area where we may have direct negotiation between the U.S. trade representative and our provincial jurisdictions. If this is the case, and I am waiting to hear from the minister on whether it is, then I want to put a warning shot out there that this is betraying free trade and the strong coalition that has been built up over the last two years on both sides of the border to pursue free trade in lumber. If that is the case then I can only say that I am disappointed that this government can lose its vision and its principles.

We entered into a very bad deal in 1996 when we got into the five year softwood lumber agreement. If we agree today to these kinds of balkanized negotiations I can only say that would be a total abandonment of the consumer interest, local governments and the greater Canadian interest.

This will only lead to a situation where the U.S. lumber lobby will have divided and conquered. It will only lead to a lack of accountability where the federal government can say that it has washed its hands of responsibility for these bilateral trade negotiations. This is a federal area of jurisdiction and it will place us further from free trade in lumber than we have been in a long time and I do not know how we would ever get back there.

What is clear is that if we appeal at the highest levels, as other countries have done, if this is the number one priority of the Prime Minister and he talks directly to President Bush, the Bush administration is sympathetic if we can get the right priority placed on this file.

The government and almost everyone else who is involved in this circumstance agrees that if we stay the course, go to the World Trade Organization and to NAFTA panels, we will win.

I just want to make it clear that any deal with the U.S. beyond free trade will cause us permanent long term damage. It is already clear from the likes of Senator Baucus from Montana and others in government who are part of the U.S. lumber lobby coalition that any negotiated deal would have to include restrictions on Canadian lumber.

Request for Emergency Debate October 4th, 2001

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 52, I request leave to move a motion for the adjournment of the House on Thursday, October 4, for the purpose of discussing a specific and important matter requiring urgent consideration.

The softwood lumber trade action started by the U.S. against Canada is costing thousands of jobs and is threatening one of our most important industries. In British Columbia alone there is an estimated 15,000 forest workers laid off as of today.

The estimates run as high as 30,000 in British Columbia by the end of the year and nationally we are looking at 40,000 to 50,000 unemployed forest workers. This is a very serious situation indeed.

I do not think I need to go into further detail at this time but there is certainly much to discuss that would be usefully done in the House.

Mr. Speaker, I respectfully and earnestly ask that you grant this request.

National Security September 26th, 2001

Mr. Speaker, disrupting international trade in North America would be a victory for terrorism. Last week the U.S. trade representative wrote an article entitled “Countering Terrorism With Trade” in which he calls on U.S. leadership to promote international economic and trading systems.

Free trade in lumber and maintenance of our just in time cross-border delivery system for much of our exports helps Canadians and U.S. economies, both of which are fragile at this time.

The Minister of International Trade and the Prime Minister have another opportunity to benefit both countries by pursuing free trade and easing cross-border concerns with immediate anti-terrorist changes to national security.

Yesterday the U.S. attorney general described the Canadian border as a transit point for terrorists and ordered tightened border security. The Canadian government must immediately implement specific anti-terrorist measures.

Customs Act September 21st, 2001

Madam Speaker, the Prime Minister and the government have sent the worst possible message to the U.S. by the demonstrable non-actions of the Prime Minister. A trip to the U.S., specifically to Washington and New York, would be a crucial element.

Many other world leaders have preceded our Prime Minister to Washington and some to New York. We are the closest neighbour and a traditional ally. The logistics for getting from our capital to their capital are much simpler for the Canadian Prime Minister than for the prime minister or president of any of the nations that we are making comparisons with right now. This is what makes it all the more passing strange.

Customs Act September 21st, 2001

Madam Speaker, the hon. member is asking about the world of economic reality. It is important to recognize that industry recognizes exactly what was said and that is that the current cross-border uncertainties for investors and others relates to going from north to south and not from south to north.

The implications of the bill, should it be implemented, would exacerbate that. It would make the flow from south to north even more readily available and that would work against Canadian manufacturing interests. We want to see a legitimate free flow of goods in an expedited fashion, but we cannot be boy scouts in this regard. We cannot do it without political buy-in from both sides of the border, and we do not have it.

Customs Act September 21st, 2001

Madam Speaker, I see that I have hit a nerve on the government side.

I think if they were to review Hansard , I said that the United States has concerns regarding security risks emanating from Canada. In aid of that I did cite a quote by Colin Powell which was reported in the news media, but I could have chosen other quotes from other American authorities, including the U.S. ambassador to Canada.

I am not sure what the member's point is. If he is trying to suggest that Canada is not perceived to be a security risk in the United States, then I would say that he is sorely misinformed. The whole issue of perimeter security strategy is what I would like to focus on, not some red herring that the government member wants to throw out to try to obfuscate the primary issue. The government should focus on what is at risk, what is urgent and what is critical, not on some other aspect to obfuscate, to support its tendency, which is to completely hold the status quo because that is where it is most comfortable.