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  • His favourite word was money.

Last in Parliament March 2011, as Liberal MP for Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca (B.C.)

Won his last election, in 2008, with 34% of the vote.

Statements in the House

The Budget February 26th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to talk about Liberal confusion.

Regarding health care, the Prime Minister this morning said there is no problem with health care. Yet the health minister is afraid to take his own child into the emergency department. He is afraid the resources are not there to provide access to his child when his child is sick. It is confusion when the health minister and the Prime Minister cannot agree that we even have a problem in health care. I can say as a physician we have a serious problem in health care in this country.

To answer the member's question, if—

The Budget February 26th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I thank my hon. friend from Calgary Southeast for pulling up his reins, because I know he has a lot more positive interventions and I am sure he will make those during question period today.

If I were a cynic I might believe that this budget was the leadership budget, but I am not. Certainly the government deserves to be congratulated for balancing the budget. But this budget is a tale of lost opportunity. This budget is a tale of what could have been an opportunity that could have really managed to give the Canadian people the ability, the opportunity and the chance to build a better, stronger future for all Canadians.

Yet we have missed opportunities that flew threw the finance minister's and this government's fingers like water in sand. The finance minister and this government have once again pulled the wool over the eyes.

I am going to talk about government fables. But first I would like to talk about one fact. If we look back in history to the behaviour of government finance ministers and Liberal governments in the past, we can see that their governments have spent, spent, spent. If not for the Reform Party the government would never have balanced this budget.

History has proven that it was the Reform Party on the tails of this government which has managed to force this government to finally do the right thing and balance the budget.

Let us talk about government fables and fact, reality versus fiction. Government members like to talk about a million jobs created. That is the natural increase that we would normally have in the most unambitious of growth rates. The cold hard reality is that in this country we have a 17% unemployment rate among youth, we have a 9% unemployment rate in the rest of the country and we have an underemployment rate that is beyond what anybody in this House can possibly imagine.

All one needs to do is go down the streets and see the vacant store front windows, see the people who are far overqualified for the jobs they have, listen and talk to the shopkeepers and business owners. They say “my gosh, if I only had some extra money I could hire apprentices, I could hire more employees, I could invest in my business, I could become more competitive, I could be the engine that helps to drive our economy in this country, a country that is only scratching its potential”.

The government likes to talk about tax rates. The government likes to say it has dropped the tax rates. Let us look at the reality. To a family earning $30,000 the government in its generosity in this budget has given back $148. That family should not spend it all in the same place because $148 for a family of four with one earner will not go very far.

The cold hard reality is yes, the government has gone and given some tax relief. It has put a couple of pennies in the left pocket while taking both hands and scooping out pails of money from the other to the tune of $38 billion over the last four years since we were elected.

CPP rates doubled, and that is going to crush our economy. It is going to have a major negative effect on the economy. I challenge the members on the other side to address that issue with us in an active debate and to open their eyes and not accept what their government colleagues tell them but, for heaven's sake, look at the facts. Take a critical view of what they are told. Analyse what they are told. Take a look, with the experiences that they have, to see in their own riding with their own business people, their own people who cannot find a job and compare that with what they are told. That is all we ask. If they do that then the reality will be immediately evident to them.

The fact is we have the highest tax rate that exists today in the G-7 nations, and that has a major crushing effect on the economy. The finance minister could have lowered the tax rate, could have taken a leaf out of the books of Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, taken a look internationally at Ireland and England, countries and provinces that have taken the bull by the horns, lowered taxes and removed egregious rules and regulations that seek to strangle off the ability of the private sector to function properly. Did the government do that? No. Why? If I were a cynic I might think it was a leadership budget. If I were a cynic I might think it was trying to seduce the Canadian public by giving it a few pennies so it will remember at election time. But I would never say that in this House.

This is a shame. The government intelligently made an investment in education. We compliment the government for doing that. But that is only one half of the equation. An educated population can be provided, but what is the point of providing an educated population when the educated population has no jobs to go to in Canada?

As has been mentioned numerous times in this House, those people flock to greener pastures, to vibrant and growing economies. They flock to the south. They flock to the east. They flock to the west. But they do not stay in Canada.

The taxpayers are spending their hard earned money to educate the public and to provide it opportunities in a country where the opportunities are far less than what they could be.

The government has failed on one half of the equation. It should have listened to the plans of the Reform Party, which are based on fact, experience and workable pragmatic solutions to get people back to work. We would do it by reducing taxes and by eliminating interprovincial trade barriers and the rules and regulations which strangle the private sector.

The government has partially addressed the issue of research and development, a major pillar in our ability as a country to be functionally active.

The finance minister was very incorrect in his speech when he said that the Asian flu is over. I can tell the House that the Asian flu is far from being over.

There are two major cleavages taking place in Japan and in Indonesia. The solutions are there. There is no domestic will to deal with them. I can only implore the government to work with other countries and pressure those countries to produce solutions to deal with their problems. If they do not, an economic tsunami will come across the Pacific and hit Canadians harder than anything before.

I would like to congratulate the government on listening, in part, to the Reform Party in getting the budget balanced. However, the government is once again pulling wool over the eyes of the Canadian public. It is saying it is giving something to Canadians when it is not. It is using this budget as a leadership budget. It is trying to seduce Canadians so it will vote for this government in the future.

The government should have done the right thing. It should have listened to sound economic advice, which I know the finance minister is open to. He should do the right thing and provide targeted spending for things like education and health care, for which there was no spending provided in this budget, contrary to what the government says. One of the great fallacies of this budget is that the government says it is putting money into health care. The cold hard fact is that there is not one red cent going into health care.

The government has merely juggled the books and given the public an illusion. There is a serious problem in health care. Patients are not receiving essential care in emergency departments and hospitals all across the country. People are suffering and dying on waiting lists.

I implore the health minister to get together with the finance minister and the Prime Minister to make a concerted effort to invest some of the funds they are sitting on now in health care, reduce taxes and provide Canadians with the real opportunities they deserve.

The Budget February 26th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member correctly mentioned that the government has increased the floor for spending on health care and the CHST from $11 billion to $12.5 billion. However, she made the mistake of saying that it was an increase in the amount of money put into the health care system.

Right now the government is spending more than $12.5 billion on the CHST. How much money does the hon. member feel is going toward increased payments to the provinces for health, education and welfare? There is absolutely none.

The Budget February 26th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member comes from the east coast. He recognizes very well that currently there is a crisis in health care on the east coast. It is an enormous crisis. The people are not receiving essential services when they need them.

The government said that it put an extra $1.5 billion into health care by raising the floor. The government has not even hit the floor yet. The reality is that not one red penny has gone into health care.

I would ask my Conservative colleague whether he feels the government has put money directly into essential health care services or whether the Canadian public, which needs those essential services, are once again being shafted.

Questions On The Order Paper February 24th, 1998

Could the minister of National Defence indicate when and how many civilian and military jobs will be terminated as a result of the national defence planning guidelines of 1998 and whether these jobs will be replaced by tenders from the private sector?

National Head Start Program February 19th, 1998

moved:

That, in the opinion of this House, the government should: (a) develop, along with their provincial counterparts, a comprehensive National Head Start Program for children in their first 8 years of life; (b) ensure that this integrated program involves both hospitals and schools, and is modelled on the experiences of the Moncton Head Start Program, Hawaii Head Start Program, and PERRY Pre-School Program; and (c) ensure that the program is implemented by the year 2000.

Madam Speaker, some years ago I was working in a jail as a physician. A couple of young women, 13 and 14 year old prostitutes and IV drug abusers were sitting across from me. They were incarcerated for the nth time in this institution. After examining them I said that I did not think they would live to see their 18th birthdays. They smiled and said quite softly that they probably did not see any need to live to 18 years of age anyway.

They were individuals who had endured many years of suffering. Their parents were prostitutes. They had lived on the streets since they were 10. They started hooking at the age of 12 and started mainlining drugs at the age of 13.

I was wrong. It was not that they did not live to see their 18th birthdays; they did not live to see their 15th birthdays. One young woman was found murdered at the end of a lonely road. I saw the other one while doing rounds on the pediatric ward. She had suffered a massive stroke after a cocaine overdose.

We see the children who are affected by the problems in our society. We look at those who are in custody in detention centres. While their history does not exonerate them for their actions, perhaps looking at their history will provide us with a clue as to how they got there.

The vast majority of those children in detention centres have suffered years and years of abuse in environments we would not wish on anybody. Years of neglect, sexual abuse, violence, malnourishment, complete lack of parental involvement in their upbringing. These are the histories of so many of those children. Our response historically has been the expensive management of these children while they are in jail.

Through Motion No. 261 I am trying to change our focus, to look not at the management of crime but to use some of our existing resources in the prevention of crime and to look at the root causes of crime. Parental neglect, child abuse, physical abuse, the witnessing of abuse, malnourishment, even the absence of proper parental involvement with the children, all of these things play a role in the development and damage of an individual's psyche.

Recent medical evidence has demonstrated quite conclusively, from things such as the positron emission tomographer, that the development of a normal psyche starts while the fetus is growing in the womb of the mother. At that time events can take place that can radically change the ability of that individual to function properly in society, such as the exposure to alcohol.

After the child is born the exposure to abuse, neglect and malnourishment all have a profound effect on the ability of the child to develop the underpinnings of a normal psyche which enables them to become a productive, integrated member of society who can have normal interpersonal relationships. Destroy the development of that individual at that critical time in the first eight years of life and we have a child that at best often develops personality disorders, conduct disorders or at worst, becomes incarcerated in jail.

We have to move our thinking and engage in a paradigm shift. If there is one thing I hope the government and its members, as members on our side and in fact in all political parties will do is to recognize the fact that prevention is more important than management. It is a lot cheaper and more effective for us to deal with these problems from time zero than to try to manage the situation when the child is incarcerated in an institution.

We have to change our thinking. If the government were to adopt this motion it would be the single greatest paradigm shift in social policy thinking in this country in the last 20 years. It would radically save a lot of money and dramatically change the lives, welfare and well-being of so many children, particularly some of the most underprivileged children in our society.

The motion is based on a few programs. I would like to give credit today to the member for Moncton who has been a leader in our country and in fact the world on developing the Moncton head start program. She has done an outstanding job.

I would also like to pay credit to my colleague from Saanich—Gulf Islands. He has done an outstanding job in our hometown of Victoria in trying as a lawyer and now as a parliamentarian to develop ways in which we can not only address individuals who are incarcerated now but also to engage in prevention.

The motion is based on three programs, one of which is the Moncton head start program which the member for Moncton was a leader in starting. This program recognizes that there needs to be parental involvement in the development of children. It started in 1974. It brings together high risk families in an environment where the parents are involved with the children in learning things that sometimes we take for granted, nutrition, proper parenting skills, the importance of play, the importance of having quality time with those children.

It is interesting to note that many of those parents did not themselves have good parenting skills because their parents did not have good parenting skills. The cycle continues and in order to break that cycle, sometimes active intervention is required in a co-operative and constructive manner.

The Moncton head start program demonstrated that very conclusively. It worked. It decreased crime rates. It decreased the incidents of those children running afoul of the law. They stayed in school longer. It also demonstrated a $6 saving for every dollar that was put into the program.

The Hawaii head start program has been in existence for quite some time. It has seen the importance of using volunteers, usually women who were very good parents and were trained to develop a bonding relationship with families at risk. They dealt with child abuse, violence in the home, drug problems, substance abuse problems. These were dealt with in a co-operative arrangement. The outcome was a 99% drop in child abuse.

The last program has actually been in existence the longest. It is the Perry pre-school program in Ypsilante, Michigan in existence since 1962. We have had over three decades of rigorous scientific analysis of this program to see what works and what does not work.

What this program demonstrated as many of the other ones did is that active early involvement to provide children with the basic necessities of life enabled the children to stay in school longer. There was a 50% drop in the crime rate and a 40% drop in teen pregnancies. There was less demand on social programs and the welfare rolls and the children got through school and had higher incomes at the end of the day.

This is a win-win situation. It also demonstrated a massive saving to the taxpayer.

Motion No. 261 asks the government to work with its provincial counterparts to implement the best from all these programs. There are good things and bad things. One can easily take a motion like this one and build it into some kind of Cadillac model where money will just be poured down some sinkhole and little will get to the people who really need it and little effect will happen.

If this motion is to become a reality, it requires a leader. It is true that most of the sentiments expressed within this motion are in the realm of the provinces. I will be the first to admit that. But for heaven's sake, someone has to take a leadership role and no one is. A hodge-podge of programs exists within our country, a little bit here and a little bit there. Some of them are good and some of them are not. There is overlap. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.

The federal government can take a leadership role by bringing the first ministers together, locking them in a room like was done for the Dayton peace accord and telling them they will not get out until they sort out the problem. They will put on the table what they have and they will develop a comprehensive strategy that involves medical personnel, the schools and others.

In that way there is no overlap. There is a streamlining of the program and we can ensure that the basic needs of the children are met not in a Cadillac program but in a program that is cost effective.

The program has to be analysed very carefully to ensure that our outcomes warrant the investment and that money is not spent unwisely. There is a lot of room here for financial abuse and inefficiency. But there is also an enormous opportunity for us to take the bull by the horns, put our existing resources where they can make the best effect and deal with prevention to ensure that these children do not slip through the cracks.

In the throne speech the government mentioned a few interesting things that demonstrate in principle a support for the type of motion I am talking about and also the fact that it has put a series of important funding programs in existence.

The health transition fund is being organized by the government to help the provinces make innovative and co-operative arrangements with the federal government to deal with areas of primary care. I would argue that this is an issue of primary care that goes across health care, justice and social services.

Rather than having this conglomeration of programs where all this overlap exists, swallowed up in part by bureaucracy, let us make sure the dollars get to the kids and where they are needed most.

There is also the national children's agenda that exists. All these can be used against the backdrop of what this motion is asking for, and indeed the government has already implemented among aboriginal communities head start programs which I hope will be effective and which are long overdue. Not only the aboriginal community on reserves should have access to this but also aboriginal people outside reserves and non-aboriginal people.

One of the issues that can come into this program that I think would be a fallacy is to associate impoverishment with money for the people involved. What these programs have found is it is not money that makes the child, but a loving, caring, secure environment with caring, loving parents provides children with the best hope they can have in life.

Responsible, caring parents are the most important gift that a child can ever have. I and others can probably pay testimony to the parents who have given them so much and for which they can never repay them.

I hope the government takes the initiative, looks at this motion and implements it. I also put down in the motion that it be implemented before the year 2000, the reason being fear of the House proroguing sometime before that and this motion merely getting tossed under a carpet.

The national crime prevention council that the justice committee sensibly asked to be organized has come forth and been an advocate for many of the sentiments expressed within the national head start program. It has done tremendous work, and yet its good work lies on a table in its building, not for lack of desire or talent or hard work on its part, but because of inertia that pervades this place all the time. It is something that all of us as members labour under and try to find ways to overcome.

I argue that this is a motion that transcends party lines. It is a motion which I think members from across party lines will be in acceptance of, at least in principle. I hope members from across party lines will adopt it and provide the government with constructive suggestions to implement it, not for us but for all the children out there who come home to environments that are rife with abuse, neglect, malnourishment and hopelessness.

These children deserve hope if only for the humanitarian reason, but also for the cold, hard, pragmatic reason that what we do not deal with today we pay for tomorrow.

There is the increasing epidemic of crime. Just in my riding of Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, the death of Reena Virk was a profound tragedy. A young 14-year old girl was beaten up by a group of teenagers. This is not an isolated incident. Tragically, it occurs in other parts of the country, perhaps not to the same extent but it occurs.

We are not winning with our current proposal of detection, deterrence and incarceration. That needs to happen for certain people and we need to do that too. But we need to also focus our minds, focus our efforts into trying to prevent these tragedies from occurring, and it has to start from time zero.

It is estimated that half the people in jail suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome or fetal alcohol effects. FAS is the leading cause of neurological damage in this country. People with FAS have an average IQ of 68. They have irreversible neurological damage that prevents them from engaging in appropriate interpersonal relationships with other individuals.

An unfortunate number of those individuals go on to commit crimes. This does not excuse them from their crimes but it provides a clue that this is a preventable problem. It is a tragedy when any of these children come to see you.

I will speak personally of my work in emergency departments. A child comes to you to be taken away from an abusive situation. You have a scared, emaciated child sitting in a corner. You take that child an do the appropriate exam before the child goes to a foster home. I have been fortunate enough to see a child like that again four months later. Now the child is a bubbly, chubby, smiling, gregarious, playful little one. I have to do an examination, as so many other physicians do, before that child goes back into the same abusive environment as before. That is wrong.

I have gone to judges, lawyers and social workers and what have they said? It is the system. I cannot reconcile, nor I am sure can others in this House, putting that child back in the same abusive environment as before. One year old children have no business going back in that type environment where we know they have no chance. We can only imagine the horrors those children endure for the rest of their young lives. Who knows where they will end up? They will end up in a place none of us would want to be.

I am not saying we can take children away forever but for heaven's sake let us be the advocate of the child first and foremost and the parents second. Let us ensure those children are put in environments with loving, caring secure parental involvement. That is the best asset any child can ever have.

This is the first hour of debate on this motion. There are two hours left. In advance I thank my colleagues for spending the time to do the investigation. I hope we can work together to make this motion a reality for the children of our country.

Small Business Loans Act February 19th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure today to speak on Bill C-21, an act to amend the Small Business Loans Act.

There are several parts to this act. The reason Reform is opposing it is primarily because the act is not living up to sound fiscal principles. The auditor general has repeatedly said that the SBLA needs revamping. It has numerous loopholes in it that waste the taxpayers' money.

One of the things which greatly surprises us is that the auditor general's reports, the independent audits of government functions, ministries and programs, are never listened to. Sound constructive principles are continually put in these very good documents of the auditor general. Does the government listen to them? No. Not only no, but virtually never.

Looking back in history the number of times the auditor general's reports have been listened to and acted upon by the government can be counted on one hand. And if it is not in the amount of thousands of dollars, it is millions and billions of dollars that these programs have cost. I find it unfathomable.

This is not neurosurgery. The solutions are there yet governments, be they Liberal or Conservative, have repeatedly and consistently ignored these constructive solutions that would enable the government to spend the taxpayers' money in a wiser fashion. Many of these ideas are not difficult to implement. They would be very cost effective and very useful not only for the public but also for the people working within these ministries.

We have a number of observations from the auditor general's report that I would like to bring up which are critical of the SBLA. He found that under the SBLA the taxpayer was on the hook for $210 million. These are moneys that were lent by lenders to people and which the government, that is the taxpayer, picked up the tab for. Why should the taxpayer be subsidizing the lenders which are the banks? The banks have made record profits recently, in the billions of dollars, and they have been subsidized in the order of $210 million by the taxpayers of Canada. Does this make sense? This is idiocy. It does not have to happen.

We approve the extension of the SBLA because providing loans in a responsible fashion to small businesses so that they can get on their feet is exceedingly important. Small businesses provide employment, not only for the people who starting them but also for the people they employ. It is a good idea.

The bad idea is that the lender is not forced to adhere to strong principles. What is worse is that there is nothing in the program to force the government to do an audit or an analysis of whether the money that is being lent is being lent properly by the lender or whether the borrowers are being assessed in a judicious fashion. The auditor general showed that under the SBLA lenders were not being audited properly. There is nothing in the program to force lenders to analyse borrowers properly.

As a result 40% of the loans made under the SBLA would have been made anyway. Taxpayers are on the hook for $210 million. It is unnecessary. That money could be used for many other useful programs or it could be applied to debt reduction. It is a waste of taxpayer money.

There is no doubt that job creation figures have been inflated as much as five times to add justification to the program. That is not useful. We are advocating that the government take the initiative to ensure that the SBLA is audited, that borrowers are audited, that lenders are audited and that there is accountability. At the end of the day this program like any program is paid for by the public. It is paid for by the hard working, overtaxed public.

We owe one thing to members of the public and that is to spend their money wisely and responsibly. The SBLA is an example, as demonstrated by the auditor general, of a program where this is simply not happening.

I would like to add some constructive suggestions to those that have already been made. First, the SBLA eligibility requirements and conditions should produce the expected results. There is no effective analysis, as I mentioned, and no cost benefit analysis.

Second, it is important to define the expected level of incrementality. Are we seeing an increase in the number of businesses that would not normally get loans other than through the SBLA program? In other words, is the SBLA doing what it is supposed to do? Again there is no analysis.

Third, there should be full cost recovery. If we manage to get full cost recovery what will happen is that the money which is lent will be returned to the program to be used to provide money to other small businesses. Obviously when $210 million are lost there will be less money to lend to other small businesses. Those who are treating the program irresponsibly are not only compromising the public. They are also compromising other small businesses that wish to avail themselves of the program.

Fourth, Industry Canada should assess whether the lender is exercising due care. The lender is the bank. Banks sometimes do not engage in good fiscal practices when lending money. The claim from the lender must be assessed. It must be shown that the lender is exercising due care.

Fifth, the interest paid to lenders is too high. Interestingly enough, while this is a loan provided by the government, the lending rate can be prime plus 3%. The banks are not exercising due care. They are saddling the taxpayer with an interest rate that is prime plus 3%. That is not fair. It is taking advantage of the taxpayer.

Therefore it is important that we decrease the interest rates being charged by lenders. I am sure that is something the government will be very interested in. Some banks look to the program as a cash cow.

Sixth, better information on the performance of the SBLA is required. Parliamentarians must have the information to assess the SBLA. That is an important criticism by the auditor general.

I would like to make some general comments about the economy. Providing loans and start-up money is very important for small businesses. It overcomes one of the obstacles facing small businesses. There are larger obstacles that all businesses face, that is the amount of red tape they have to deal with. The government has to take a leadership role and work with the provinces to cut the red tape which has managed to put more barriers between east and west Canada than north and south.

We must decrease taxes. If we visit small businesses in our community what mantra do we hear? “I can't hire. I can't train because all the money goes to my taxes. If I had less tax I would be able to hire more people, train more people, invest in my business and become more competitive, not only within the confines of our country but also internationally”.

The barriers of high taxes, the barriers of excessive rules and regulations not only compromise competitiveness within our country but compromise competitiveness internationally.

If the government would like to take one international issue to heart which is exceedingly important, there are two major fracture lines through Japan and Indonesia right now. The solutions are out there on the table from the International Monetary Fund, which have been given to both countries. They are not acting upon it because of a failure in leadership. The only way they will act on domestic changes is through international pressure.

One can argue that domestic issues are for a country to deal with. However, if Japan and Indonesia fail to deal with their domestic problems an economic tsunami will come across the Pacific Ocean and smack into Canada. It will be a significant and major impediment to our ability as a country to thrive economically.

I conclude by saying that we disagree with Bill C-21. I hope the government will take the constructive suggestions members of the Reform Party have put forward, implement them and build a better SBLA program for all Canadians.

Transfer Of Offenders Act February 18th, 1998

To pass the following motion.

The motion calls for this House to convene in 1998 a meeting of like-minded nations in order to develop a multilateral plan of action to reform international organizations such as the IMF, the World Bank and the UN, so that they can identify the precursors to conflict and establish multilateral conflict prevention initiatives. This is so we can move our foreign policy from dealing with conflict—

Transfer Of Offenders Act February 18th, 1998

Mr. Speaker, I have another motion that I would like to ask for unanimous consent for.

Transfer Of Offenders Act February 18th, 1998

I call for unanimous consent, Mr. Speaker.