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  • His favourite word was transport.

Last in Parliament March 2011, as Bloc MP for Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord (Québec)

Lost his last election, in 2011, with 35% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Supply November 15th, 1994

moved:

That this House condemn the government's lack of action and transparency with respect to the proposed restructuring of Canada's rail system, the gradual abandonment of regional services by CN, CP and VIA, especially in Quebec, and the government's lack of vision with respect to high-speed trains.

Mr. Speaker, I thank you for having read before the House the motion on railway transportation that I have the honour of introducing.

As you have already mentioned, I want the House, in other words the hon. members, to condemn the Liberal governments's lack of action and transparency with respect to the proposed restructuring of Canada's rail system. I also wish to condemn the gradual abandonment of regional services by CN, CP and VIA Rail, especially in Quebec, and I want to stress the government's lack of vision with respect to high-speed trains.

After the last war, people came to believe that mass transportation in rich societies like that of Quebec would eventually be abandoned and replaced by cars and trucks. Railway transportation gradually collapsed while billions of dollars went into building a complex highway network.

During that period, Europe and Asia upgraded their railway transportation networks, which came to play a fundamental role in their economic development. Europe in particular relied heavily on its train network as a public means of transportation.

Railway transportation plays a fundamental role in the Canadian transportation system. The most important contribution of railways to the Canadian transportation network is, without a doubt, in the natural resources sector. In 1993, according to the National Transportation Agency, bulk products like potash, wheat, coal, lumber, newsprint, etc. accounted for about 54 per cent of the traffic on all railway lines, down about 2 per cent from the previous year, 1992. That shows to what extent railway companies are dependent on raw materials.

At the intermodal level, rail-road transportation is the most important, followed by rail-road-water transportation. Intermodal transportation is an important and growing part of traffic for CN and CP. In 1993, this traffic increased by 8 per cent for both companies. It amounted to 6.2 million tonnes for CN and 5.4 million tonnes for CP.

In 1993, it was the third most important area for both CN and CP. This explains why the two companies are investing heavily in this sector. For example, CN built the St. Clair tunnel between Sarnia and Port Huron, and CP upgraded the western tunnels on its line.

In the last few years, CN and CP have entered into large contracts with intermodal or trucking companies. CN in particular signed a deal with CSX, an American firm, for the transportation of truck trailers between Canada and the American midwest and southeast regions. CP did the same with Gilford Transportation. Intermodal transport has the highest growth potential for railway companies.

For Canadian railways, competition comes mainly from two sectors: trucking and railway transportation through the US. Trucking is heavily subsidized by the government since truckers do not have to pay for the building and maintenance of the roadway. As railway companies must develop and maintain their own network, truckers have an important advantage over railway companies.

CN and CP have repeatedly complained about the inequity of the fiscal treatment in Canada and in the United States. It would seem that because of the diesel tax and the various real estate taxes they must pay on lands crossed by the railway, their tax

burden is heavier than that of their American competitors, which causes Canadian carriers to be non-competitive. CP estimated the tax burden on railway companies to be 48 per cent higher in Canada than in the United States.

We know that the financial situation of both CN and CP is far from brilliant. We know that both companies are unable to generate sufficient operating revenues to post net profits. As a matter of fact, since 1988, CN has posted a profit only once, in 1989; in 1992, the company lost around $900 million. It is encouraging to note that since the beginning of 1994, CN has posted a profit of around $200 million. However, it is not enough to produce an acceptable return on investment.

For its part, since 1988, CP has lost money only in 1991 and 1992, but its profits are also quite inadequate to produce an acceptable return on investment.

Moreover, in Canada, since 1987, railway companies have been experiencing a drop in return on investment; it was only 3 per cent in 1992. This situation is of great concern since American carriers have experienced an increase in return on investment from 4.9 per cent, in 1987, to 7.2 per cent, in 1992.

If railway companies are not able to generate sufficient profits, it is obvious that they will be unable to invest enough money to maintain and improve their network.

I will now say a few words about traffic. In 1993, total railway traffic amounted to 238.9 million tonnes, an increase of 1.1 million compared to 1992.

Again according to the National Transportation Agency, CN accounted for 39.6 per cent of domestic rail traffic and CP had a 33.1 per cent share, leaving 27.3 per cent for regional companies.

As for the workforce, we know that in 1985, CN and CP Rail had 77,960 employees. By 1993, this number had fallen to 48,841. The same year, the total payroll of both companies was $2.7 billion or 49 per cent of their $5.5 billion operating costs. Then CN implemented a plan to streamline its workforce. From 32,392 the number of workers went down to 22,395. Some 2,096 people work at company headquarters in Montreal. In all, close to 6,800 people work for CN in Quebec.

Nowhere in the world does the passenger railway service really break even. It is a public service as are the road system, the school bus system, the St. Lawrence Seaway, the coast guard, the armed forces and others. I could go on and on.

Canada had established a respectable railway system that was acclaimed in all European countries. Canada would never have developed like it did if our two coasts on the Atlantic and the Pacific had not been connected by the railroad. Other countries go on operating and developing their passenger service even if it is not cost-effective because it is beneficial in other ways.

Take the way it relieves traffic congestion on highways. Also, in remote areas, for instance in Abitibi, in the Gaspé Peninsula, in Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean, passenger rail service is essential in order to compensate for the shortfalls of the education system, the lack of cegeps and universities, and also the lack of specialized health care. We cannot picture someone from the Gaspé paying approximately $600 to fly to Montreal for medical treatment, much less riding in a bus for 22 hours. A train with the new technology could replace these methods of transportation, and do so economically.

It must be borne in mind that the train, using the new technologies as is done in Europe, almost completely eliminates pollution. Even with the existing technology, trains produce far less pollution than do cars or buses.

As you know, Mr. Speaker, cutting passenger rail links in the suburbs of major cites and outlying regions will just send the traffic back to the roads and shift the expenditures from the federal government to the provinces. The Canadian industry is obviously interested in maintaining passenger transportation at home, given that it has developed technology that it is exporting abroad.

The saying "No man is a prophet in his own country" certainly applies to Bombardier, which exports its technology. The success of TGV in France is a case in point.

The abandonment of passenger lines seems imminent on certain Quebec lines, such as Jonquière-Montréal, the Chaleur line, Gaspé-Montréal, Montréal-Senneterre, Senneterre-Cochrane, in Ontario and Montréal-Saint John, in New Brunswick, and Halifax.

As this House knows, the abandonment of passenger services is not subject to the National Transportation Act. In any event, some of my colleagues will have an opportunity to come back to this.

Finally, a number of jobs at CN and VIA headquarters in Montreal have been transferred to Campbellton, which just happens to be in the Minister of Transport's riding. I am sure this is no accident. Several jobs have also been transferred from Montreal to Winnipeg. In addition, the riding is represented in this House by the Minister of Human Resources Development. I am sure this is also pure coincidence, unless the intention was to thank the minister for trying to sell us the social security reform. But then again, as you know, this is only speculation going round in the halls of the House of Commons and such rumour is entirely without foundation. The government is much too transparent to contemplate such things, is it not?

As you know, several applications to abandon rail lines are presently before the National Transportation Agency. Applications to the agency are almost automatically approved and, in most cases, without public hearings. Take the Murray Bay line

that runs through my beautiful riding of Beauport-Montmorency-Orléans, for instance. In that case, the constituency asked to be heard by the National Transportation Agency. Their request was also denied and the Murray Bay line was sold without the people most directly concerned having been heard.

My colleagues will have the opportunity to come back to the issue of rail abandonment in their remarks. We know that railways are an economic development tool. Let me give you an example of economic development for the small municipality of Port-Daniel, in the Gaspe Peninsula, which borders on two ridings: Bonaventure-Îles-de-la-Madeleine and Gaspé. There is a chance that the municipality could land a contract with Arab countries interested in establishing a cement factory.

While 18 per cent of the population is unemployed in the Gaspe Peninsula and 39,4 per cent in Port-Daniel, here is a chance to create 400 new jobs. However, the municipality must meet two preconditions set by the Arab promoters: it must have a seaport and a railroad. What would happen if the railroad between Gaspé and Montreal were to disappear? Well, the cement factory project would fall through and the unemployment rate would remain high in the municipality. The 400 people who would have found work in the factory would remain on UI or welfare and the taxpayers would have to foot the bill. That is the kind of horror story caused by decision makers with no medium or long-term vision.

It is easy to make the case that a service is unprofitable based on figures alone. But before drawing hasty conclusions, we must be sure we have all the facts. Moreover, it is a well-established fact that when the times are hard, every job category, from the company president all the way down to the workers, must do its share. Mr. Speaker, do you think that CN employees are happy to have accepted cutbacks in their working conditions when they leaf through certain magazines and read things such as what I will now mention?

Canadian National allegedly gave its president, Paul Tellier, a $432,000 no-interest loan to buy a house, of which $300,000 came from CN Rail and $132,000 from SRS or Supplemental Retirement Security. This loan was not guaranteed by a mortgage so that this deal would not be made public. In return, the president signed an interim note and increased his individual life insurance by $300,000 payable to CN Rail to guarantee his loan. Worse yet, while a $432,000 loan was allegedly made, the house, according to our information, was assessed at $283,000.

This same president made Canadian National pay for the part of the retirement plan payable by him, which amounts to $14,000 a year. Yet, CN pays its president, Paul Tellier, an annual salary of $345,000 plus expenses. After pointing out these horrors, I would like to get back to other issues of capital importance to Quebecers and Canadians, whenever decisions concerning railways have to be made.

My colleagues will have the opportunity to revisit the issue of the environment, of energy consumption by trains. They will have an opportunity to speak to you about high-speed trains, a project which would put Canada on the map of high-speed rail transportation in North America, a market estimated at $200 billion. Nonetheless, the current Liberal government prefers to sink billions of dollars into projects like Hibernia, whose profitability is doubtful.

Mr. Speaker, my time is running out. My colleagues will have the opportunity to get back to the whole approach on short-line railways. The rationalization of railways must continue, but the government must allow these short-line railways to operate the secondary network. Canadians and Quebecers must also be informed of an issue of national interest, namely the cavalier attitude of the government, which excluded the Official Opposition and the third party from the commercialization review of the largest Crown corporation, CN. That is totally unacceptable.

It is inconceivable that the government would consider major decisions affecting railways without first consulting Canadians and allowing elected parliamentarians to participate in decision-making. We must condemn the government's carelessness and lack of vision in the area of rail transportation. All Quebecers and Canadians must be asked to boycott the task force on CN commercialization since it is composed of eight Liberal MPs and one Liberal senator and excludes members from the Bloc Quebecois and the Reform Party.

With this membership, the committee will have total control over calling the witnesses it wants and being told what it wants to hear.

Furthermore, all Quebecers and Canadians must be asked to boycott the task force on CN commercialization since it is composed of eight Liberal MPs and one Liberal senator and excludes members from the Bloc Quebecois and Reform Party. With this composition the committee will have total control over calling the witnesses it wants and being told what it wants to hear.

In closing, I wish to inform the House of Commons that the government's current actions and policies regarding railways only gives ammunition to the Bloc Quebecois and the Parti Quebecois for the upcoming referendum. The more the federal government cuts services to the population, the more Quebecers will ask themselves what they are getting in return for the $28 billion in taxes they pay Ottawa every year.

Mil Davie Shipyard November 14th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, does the government realize that by buying a used ferry, it will deliberately bring about the final closing of MIL Davie, thus eliminating a competitor of Saint John Shipbuilding in New Brunswick, the home province of the Minister of Transport?

Mil Davie Shipyard November 14th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, for several months now, the MIL Davie shipyard in Lauzon has been waiting for the federal government to make a decision on building a new ferry to serve the Magdalen Islands.

While more and more workers are being laid off, MIL Davie is waiting to be awarded this vital contract so it can ensure its short-term survival and undertake its conversion program.

My question is for the Minister of Industry, who is responsible for this matter. Does the minister confirm that his government is about to buy a used ferry rather than have a new one built in Lauzon, thus making it impossible for the MIL Davie shipyard to restructure and ensure its survival?

Rail Workers November 2nd, 1994

Mr. Speaker, my question is addressed to the Minister of Transport. Early last October as speaker at a dinner sponsored by the western transportation advisory committee, the Minister of Transport made the following comment: "Railway labour with grade eight or nine education cannot be blamed for negotiating excessive collective agreements".

Does the minister realize that his remarks were an insult to the 62,000 rail workers in Canada and is he prepared to make a public apology for his unacceptable and scornful comments?

Conference On International Civil Aviation October 31st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to speak on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the International Civil Aviation Organization, commonly known as the ICAO.

Quebecers are particularly proud that this important UN organization chose Montreal and the Province of Quebec for their administrative headquarters in 1944.

In 1944, air transport was marginal with only 9 million passengers. Flying has now become a vital means of transportation for the global economy. Every year, over 1.2 billion passengers fly in total safety. Air transport remains the safest means of transportation, an achievement we owe in large part to the ICAO. I wish to let this organization know how grateful I am for this.

Nobody can predict what flying will be like in 50 years. The number of passengers will certainly continue to increase, and technological progress will bring dramatic changes to this mode of transport. I am convinced that the ICAO will be up to the challenges of tomorrow, just as it was able to meet those of the past.

The ICAO is a perfect example of what sovereign nations around the globe can do when they co-operate. Through the ICAO, 183 member states managed to put in place a safe air transport system for their people. It is a major achievement.

Given the importance of flying as today's and tomorrow's mode of transport, it is more critical than ever to ensure its safety. Collaboration and co-operation among the member states will remain paramount.

In closing, I want to thank and congratulate all those who contributed to the creation and development of the ICAO in the first 50 years of its existence. I would like to extend to this organization my best wishes for continued success in the next 50 years.

Ethics October 31st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, what exactly did the ethics counsellor say?

Ethics October 31st, 1994

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister systematically refuses to tell us the ethics counsellor's opinion, as transmitted to him by his officials.

Is it not true that the ethics counsellor gave a different opinion from that of the Prime Minister?

Department Of Canadian Heritage Act October 27th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to speak this morning about the motion of my colleague, the member for Rimouski-Témiscouata, on an amendment to Bill C-53 that she tabled on October 4.

This amendment asks that Bill C-53 not be now read a second time, but that the order be discharged, the bill withdrawn and the subject matter referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage. Mr. Speaker, you will understand that today I would not want to give all the reasons for which I am for or against Bill C-53. I will do that later if necessary.

Nevertheless, I would like to make this House aware of the means it has adopted and which should not be overlooked by a minister who may wish to have his bill approved as quickly as possible.

The House of Commons must insist that bills presented to us on second reading have been considered, first of all, by the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage. The House of Commons created this committee to fulfil its role; otherwise, what would be the use of it?

Among other things, it is supposed to get to the bottom of the issues by the most appropriate means-hearings, forming sub-committees, nationwide tours, consultations with the provinces-and especially by trying to obtain a national consensus, even within the committee.

After that, we will be able to talk about whether it is appropriate to pass a bill establishing the Department of Canadian Heritage. I believe that the standing committee will have a lot of work to do before it comes back to us with a bill that we are sure will be quite different.

Some people, especially some Quebec government departments, I would say, have some very specific things to tell the committee, so it is totally justified to submit Bill C-53 to it for consideration.

First, the committee can find out what this department's mandate is, and it can see that it makes no reference to Quebec as a distinct society, much less any reference to its cultural specificity.

Once again, the committee will realize that the former Liberal government denied the reality of Quebec culture by diluting it in a Canadian cultural entity based on bilingualism and multiculturalism. This department is being created in the wake of the defunct Charlottetown Accord, which proposed a fictitious and deceptive recognition of the provinces' exclusive jurisdiction over culture.

The committee will also be able to note that the straightforward demands of Quebec's former Minister of Culture, Ms. Frulla-Hébert, are not reflected in the future orientation of the new Department of Canadian Heritage. So you will understand

that we must think twice before presenting such legislation to the new sovereignist government of Quebec.

Without making a list of the areas, and I will come back to this a little later if need be, the committee will see that duplication and overlap in the field of culture will increase rather than decrease with this bill.

Taking Quebec as an example, we are faced with two systems of cultural institutions, each Quebec institution having its federal counterpart, except for the National Film Board.

In summary, Quebec has a budget of $425 million and Ottawa $2.8 billion.

Culture is under provincial jurisdiction and the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage will realize that it must recommend that the House of Commons stop unnecessary spending at a time when social programs are under attack to reduce the deficit and stop allowing interference in provincial jurisdiction over culture.

The Bloc Quebecois will demonstrate to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, through the hon. member for Rimouski-Témiscouata, that both the Conservatives and the Liberals developed their respective cultural policies by increasing federal interference in the cultural sector and by denying the distinct identity of Quebecers.

Through its representatives on that committee, the Bloc will present its views on cultural institutions. We do not intend to deny to Canadians the right to their own federal cultural institutions. However, the Bloc will make sure that Quebec's cultural community gets its fair share of subsidies from federal granting agencies and that the waste resulting from duplication is stopped.

The committee would be well-advised to read the report of the consulting group on Quebec's cultural policy, which was tabled in Quebec's National Assembly on June 14, 1991. That document was reviewed by a parliamentary committee over a period lasting almost eight weeks, in the fall of 1992, during which 181 Quebec organizations were heard and 264 written submissions were received. Following the work of that committee, Quebec developed a cultural policy and the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage will have to examine that policy prior to a thorough review of the cultural issue. If the committee cannot find that policy, I will be pleased to send it a copy upon request.

By adopting its own cultural policy, the Quebec government demonstrated its keen desire to provide Quebecers with a cultural development framework which allows them to thrive. Again, the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage will have to take that policy into account before making any recommendation to this House.

As I said at the beginning, and I will conclude on that note, I did not want to elaborate too much on Bill C-53 itself. I simply wanted to make this House aware of the need to pass the motion tabled by the hon. member for Rimouski-Témiscouata, and to refer the whole issue to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage which, I am convinced, will provide us with an amended bill taking into consideration all groups within the populatiobn as well as their legitimate aspirations.

Ferries October 20th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, since the Caribou and the Bluenose have already suffered storm damage to their outer door, does the minister not believe that it is his duty as Minister of Transport to take much more significant action than simple tests and checks?

Ferries October 20th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Transport.

Following the Estonia disaster, Finland and Sweden ordered their ship owners to weld the bow doors on this type of ferry. In Canada, four ferries similar to the Estonia face deep-sea weather conditions that are as difficult as those on the Baltic. One of these ferries, the Bluenose , is operated by the federal government under the Bahamian flag.

Since several experts recognize that this type of ship has major safety risks, can the minister explain to us what he has done to avoid a tragedy with the four ships in service in Canada?