Public Accounts committee  That's correct.

Public Accounts committee  That work was all still there. We were redoing processes. We were analyzing all of the current processes. We were documenting a lot of areas that hadn't been documented, because if you were going to go to an alternate solution, you had to provide all of this information to anybody so that they would know what it is they would be asked to bid on.

Public Accounts committee  Of the business case?

Public Accounts committee  No, I was not.

Public Accounts committee  At that point in time, Assistant Commissioner Mole advised me that they weren't sure what route they were going to take for renewing the contract for pension outsourcing, whether they were going to look at going out again for private industry or if they were going to look at alternate solutions for pension outsourcing.

Public Accounts committee  No, I knew he was working on the case because he had contacted us and told us that he was working on the case.

Public Accounts committee  How much earlier from when? I'm sorry.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, he was.

Public Accounts committee  I think it would have been early in 2005. It was after I had left the RCMP in 2004.

Public Accounts committee  No, I don't. There were several telephone calls he had put forth to us.

Public Accounts committee  One of the IBM consultants had called me because they were asking questions of both Casey and IBM. They asked me if they were permitted to speak on behalf of Casey Computing Solutions. Their lawyer had asked that question. That's how I knew.

Public Accounts committee  No, I did not say that it was because IBM had legal counsel. I had said that when I requested--

Public Accounts committee  When I requested to have legal counsel, I was told that I couldn't, that I could be charged with obstruction of justice. It was then that I said that it was my understanding that IBM had had legal counsel, so why couldn't I? I had requested legal counsel to be present. Do I need to answer why?

Public Accounts committee  I'm going on recollection. I don't know if it was eight or nine; I know we didn't use all of the resources.

Public Accounts committee  It's a business I've been involved in since 1991, and I've had many contracts with 12, 13, 14, or 15 people on the contract.