Foreign Affairs committee  Chair, just before you dismiss our guests and thank them, there were a couple more points. I wanted to ask questions particularly on development signature projects. Would it be possible to learn more on some of the points our guests raised, particularly on Operation Enduring Freedom, which I think the colonel made a point of because we're about to enter into, it looks like, another couple of years in the conflict, and it might be with the Americans coming in.

Foreign Affairs committee  Thank you for that. I think it's important to note, and you touched on this, Ms. Mason, in your opening comments, that we are now faced in our Parliament with a motion that I think will continue the same strategy we've followed in the last couple of years for another number of years.

Foreign Affairs committee  I'll cede to Ms. Mason on the point she was going to make. Then I'll ask a question.

Foreign Affairs committee  Mr. Kippen, I want to bring you in on the conversation. I had the experience of being in Iraq this past summer. It was actually some of the work that has been done in your shop.... Practical federalism was the theme of the conference. We were discussing in Iraq the problems from the beginning, the fact that they hadn't had a discussion on governance models and not bringing in people who were seen as the enemy to the governance of Iraq.

Foreign Affairs committee  Absolutely. No question.

Foreign Affairs committee  Can I ask Colonel Capstick about signature aid projects?

Foreign Affairs committee  I take it you're against signature aid projects.

Foreign Affairs committee  Thank you, Chairman, and thank you to our panel. I think I'll start with Mr. Neve on the issue of detainees, because it's in our amendment to the government and the Liberal motion that's in front of the House presently, and it obviously touches on the study we're doing on the issue of detainees.

Foreign Affairs committee  I saw Mr. Capstick making a gesture. From your standpoint, if we accept the premise.... And I've heard this before, that our system is more secretive than the U.S. system. They post on the Internet. You can get details of who's been detained off the website. Mr. Capstick, why is Canada more secretive in the handing over of detainees than the U.S.?

Foreign Affairs committee  He did say that.

Foreign Affairs committee  One of the things Mr. Capstick touched on is the concern around people being tortured. I can tell you that when you brought up the issue in the House, it used to be, well then, you're sympathetic to the Taliban. And Mr. Capstick, you commented that these are Afghan citizens. From my standpoint, we don't want to become the enemy, if you will.

Foreign Affairs committee  Mr. Chair, perhaps I could ask our guest to provide the committee with a couple of examples and actually put together a synthesis of what you've just explained to us about how the divestment and the economic pressure on the Sudanese government through China, and pressure on China, actually was, in your opinion, a positive variable in terms of having China come to the table.

Foreign Affairs committee  I'm glad for the clarification, because Mr. Khan—

Foreign Affairs committee  I want to clarify two things, Mr. Chairman, for my friend across the way. No one is talking about withdrawing all investment. I think Mr. Khan would appreciate that he wouldn't want to have anything to do with investment that does not help and actually hurts people. Yet we know that investments that we have, that you have, that I'm paying for through the CPP, are invested in Burma in some very dubious enterprises.

Foreign Affairs committee  That's clear as mud.