Public Accounts committee  I, Anthony Koziol, do swear that the evidence I shall give on this examination shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

Public Accounts committee  Yes. I met Ms. Casey on a project in 1991. Some time later I met her husband. This was for work at Public Works on the pension reform project. They both had expertise in the pension area.

Public Accounts committee  Excuse me, what was the date of that contract?

Public Accounts committee  Yes; as discussed at previous committee meetings, and as I believe Mr. McEvoy mentioned, there isn't an issue with a client department wanting a resource, because they've worked with them and they know they can do work and they continue to do work. From my perspective, this was p

Public Accounts committee  As has been discussed previously, the department was there to provide a preference if there was a preference. This did not mean that the contract would necessarily be awarded. I think Mr. Brazeau has discussed this in previous testimony, that a preference could be provided, but n

Public Accounts committee  Yes, I do.

Public Accounts committee  I knew Mr. Brazeau from working in the Public Works compensation sector in the mid-1990s. We didn't work together, but we were on the same floor.

Public Accounts committee  Not very well at all.

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Brazeau approached me prior to that lunch to describe the CAC contracting services, and we suggested that we would meet with Mr. Crupi and discuss the CAC services.

Public Accounts committee  We did not do as thorough a business case as could have been done under the circumstances.

Public Accounts committee  That was my understanding, yes, for the outsourcing costs.

Public Accounts committee  I was working together with Mr. Casey and Mr. Crupi at the time.

Public Accounts committee  As the manager as the time, that would have been Mr. Crupi.

Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  There was a visit to Towers Perrin, but I do not believe they provided numbers. The process was a full RFP.