Public Accounts committee  He would have because I had told him. The timing of when I told him, I can't honestly tell you, but he was aware that we were using CAC. He said, “Good. They are a procurement arm. They handle all procurement processes. All you write are statements of work. That's fine.” As far

Public Accounts committee  That the work was good.

Public Accounts committee  If I wasn't happy with the work that was being described in that document, I would have said no, we don't need to do this work.

Public Accounts committee  That the work was appropriate--yes, sir.

Public Accounts committee  But I wasn't signing that the procurement rules were being followed. That was procurement signing that.

Public Accounts committee  I was giving my blessings to the work.

Public Accounts committee  He's the director of procurement.

Public Accounts committee  First of all, as far as the time running out, that was after the criminal investigation had been closed down. That was in fact the internal investigation where the time ran out. The criminal investigation was finished and closed. As far as collusion with Mr. Ewanovich, he was t

Public Accounts committee  I don't remember making those comments. That might be the opinion of Mr. Frizzell. My understanding of what took place at that time--again, I don't remember making those comments--was that Great-West Life told us that they could finish off what they had committed to do after x ye

Public Accounts committee  I certainly was never aware that a supervisor had been assigned. There was a procurement study done by his DG of procurement.

Public Accounts committee  I never had authority to make contracts.

Public Accounts committee  No, sir. I had authority to approve statements of work in terms of the actual work itself. That's my understanding of the authorities I had. Then they would be moved to the proper sign-off processes, and procurement was the ultimate contract provider. That was my understanding

Public Accounts committee  Well, I wasn't aware I was breaking rules. That's the first thing. We were working with his procurement people every step of the way. His procurement people saw every document. His procurement people signed off every document. If they didn't speak to him, I can't answer that ques

Public Accounts committee  Is that on the outsourcing of the pensions? I was the director who was being asked to outsource pensions and was being asked by the insurance committee to modernize the insurances.

Public Accounts committee  I don't see how you can make that leap, sir. I'm just providing facts that I was told. I don't know. I'm not a procurement expert and have never been a procurement expert. My officers were told to deal with procurement every step of the way, and they did that.