Public Accounts committee  He provided us with the information that CAC provided contracting services that were legal and audited. It seemed like a reasonable approach.

Public Accounts committee  No, I don't think so. Actually, I believe Morneau Sobeco had a relationship with them at some point in the past.

Public Accounts committee  I don't know what it was, but it was certainly not at the time when the RFP was out.

Public Accounts committee  As I mentioned, I knew him when I was working at Public Works in the mid-1990s.

Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  It was prior to the lunch meeting that was brought up before. One of the other CAC consultants introduced us.

Public Accounts committee  Oh, it would have been Mr. Brazeau, Mr. Crupi, and me.

Public Accounts committee  Well, he didn't get me a contract. He wrote the statement of work for that position, yes.

Public Accounts committee  That's exactly right.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, that was the rate. We were very careful to write those statements of work away from each other.

Public Accounts committee  CAC was, and my understanding was that Mr. Brazeau was doing the evaluation criteria, but I now understand that somebody within the organization was doing it. We did not do the evaluation criteria at NCPC.

Public Accounts committee  It was specifically to Mr. Brazeau because we had developed this business relationship, that CAC was providing the services.

Public Accounts committee  We did not do as thorough a business case as could have been done under the circumstances.

Public Accounts committee  That was my understanding, yes, for the outsourcing costs.

Public Accounts committee  I was working together with Mr. Casey and Mr. Crupi at the time.