International Trade committee  I echo Andrew's words. I think the industry is at a critical stage. These talks are critical to where our future lies. If we don't fix this problem today, I believe that in a very short period of time you'll see major yards close their doors and they'll go away. And that is the e

International Trade committee  Yes, I would. I would use those words.

International Trade committee  Our organization would as well. We believe that's the right way to go at this point.

International Trade committee  I agree with Andrew. It's the engineers from the top level all the way down to the bottom. It doesn't matter what level you look at in the shipbuilding industry, as far as it goes, with technical skills that people are going to pick up. On the repair side, you cannot get that.

International Trade committee  That's absolutely correct.

International Trade committee  In fairness, when Brian Tobin was the industry minister he was the only minister we saw who was prepared to actually do something for the industry to try to revitalize it. Prior to that, I would agree with you.