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Finance committee  I would not. I'll just say briefly that it can be somewhat complicated, because individuals receive employment insurance, and that migrated to the CRB that was provided by ESDC. Isolating those impacts can be conceptually difficult, but we certainly can look at what numbers are

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  I apologize. I'll turn this over to my colleague Marc Lemieux regarding the impacts—that is, if you're looking at how much money we are going to recover in terms of overpayments. Is that what you're looking for?

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  If the question is whether we have a precise number right now, I'll turn to my colleague. I'm sure the answer is “no” at this point, as it is an ongoing process to determine who is ineligible and whether a recovery is possible.

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  I'm happy to answer that. I've not been aware of any formal published studies on this. I will, if I may, supplement, that yes, the Department of Finance and Employment and Social Development have been looking at the need for these programs, and the strategy has been to evolve

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  I'd be happy to start. I'm sure my colleagues will supplement my answer. Yes, it is a challenge to target payments to a sector, simply because there are borderlines. Whenever you create any sector, you're going to have a challenge about who's in and who's out, no matter how wel

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  I'm sorry; I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking if it would be difficult to target the cultural sector?

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  Just to clarify, you're asking whether we have seen any studies on that. Is that the question, sir?

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  I am not. Again, I'll just reiterate that this policy is an ESDC policy. They and the Department of Finance are both responsible for the policies here. We're responsible for the administration.

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  As I said previously, I am not aware of any formal analysis with respect to published papers. Certainly ESDC has been looking at the issue of what kinds of benefits have been needed over time and how that's evolved. What I observed from CRA is a clear pattern of how demand for th

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  I'm not qualified to answer that. I will say that the last 18 months have been extraordinary in terms of my career. I've been working for the government for nearly 32 years, and things are done much faster than they were before. The CERB, for example, was introduced in three week

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  I have no comment on the matter. I do know that at the agency, we've continued our work throughout elections, throughout the winter, throughout COVID—

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  Perhaps I could turn to one of my colleagues, if they are aware of the situation, and if they're in a position—

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  That is correct. It's the right range.

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  There are a range of controls that we use, both for the pandemic measures and for others. We check things. If it's for a business, we'll check the business number. We'll check how long it's been in business. We may check the size of its payroll. We may check past compliance recor

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten

Finance committee  Certainly you're looking at things, depending on the program. It's not easy, for example, to look at hours worked, but for employment insurance, employees have the ability to look at their employment record, to get the record of employment from the employer and verify that inform

December 10th, 2021Committee meeting

Frank Vermaeten