Industry committee  That would be my question also. What was the involvement of the copyright holders in the development of those modules? Do they have a voice in that message being sent out to that faculty?

Industry committee  Just from a Canadian publishing perspective, we publish a scholarly journal, and there was no way that we would not pay an author who contributed to each issue of the journal. Every author who contributed was paid. That's actually the material that is no longer carried by that di

Industry committee  The publishers that you have cited are foreign publishers. For us who deal with the Canada Council and the Toronto Arts Council, there are very clear positions for us about how we must compensate our creators.

Industry committee  I'm not as familiar as my colleagues are about the Copyright Board.

Industry committee  Yes, I can comment on that directly from our experience at ECW Press. I mentioned $102,000 this year, and 70% of that came through these digital database providers. Two years ago, they came to us—we predominately use EBSCO, one of the databases—and they said that because of the e

Industry committee  You've heard from both panels today that there is this gap between the guidelines that are posted and that are promoted by the colleges and universities to the people who are doing the copying and what's actually happening. There is also the issue of the gap between what those gu

Industry committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to the members of the committee for having us. My name is David Caron. I am the president of the Ontario Book Publishers Organization. I'm also president and co-publisher at ECW Press here in Toronto. Also here is Holly Kent, executive direct