Evidence of meeting #34 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was sauvé.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Gilles Varin  As an Individual
Norman Glouberman  As an Individual
Julia Gersovitz  As an Individual

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

It's more or less 30 months.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

He regularly sent you cheques, between $5,000 and $10,000 a month, for about 30 months, if I correctly understood.

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

That's about it.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Could you tell us the date on which you received the first amount of money? Do you remember that? Do you have to search in your documents?

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

Wait a bit. The first time, I believe, was September 28, 2007.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

In September 2007, you received your first payment.

On what date did you receive the last amount?

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

That was in 2009, but I don't remember the date. My last invoice, if I remember correctly, dates back to the third month of 2009.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Consequently, around March 2009, you sent Mr. Sauvé your last invoice.

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

He subsequently informed me that my services were no longer being retained, in accordance with what was agreed upon in the basic contract that we had entered into.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

When did you learn that Mr. Sauvé's business was under the control of the Hells Angels? How did you learn that?

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

When I started working for Mr. Sauvé, his business wasn't under the control of the Hells Angels; I'm convinced of that. Had it previously been under the Hells Angels' control? I know nothing about that.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

In your mind, Mr. Varin, that business was not under the control of the Hells Angels between 2007 and 2009.

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

I'm convinced of that.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

In your mind, that's it.

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

In my mind, that's it.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Do you know Senator Nolin well?

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

Yes, I've known him for 40 years.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

I imagine you know that Mr. Pichet works for Mr. Nolin on a regular basis.

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

You say you've known Mr. Nolin for 40 years. Do you meet with him on a regular basis?

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

I meet with Mr. Nolin regularly. We very often eat at the same restaurant. I've always had an excellent relationship with Senator Nolin.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

We won't do any advertising for a restaurant in Montreal, but are we to understand that you regularly have your base at a certain restaurant and that that is where you meet with your people for business lunches?

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

That's very true. Moreover, Mr. Lapierre has very often talked about that.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

I imagine you know Mr. Lapierre well too.

9:30 a.m.

As an Individual

Gilles Varin

I know him well too.